Artists opting out of generative-AI-focused platforms like Instagram are choosing Cara
"Cara has grown from 40,000 to 650,000 users within the last week"
Can nostr help?
“Building a product is a bit like making art,” she said. “I think you just make something that you like as a person, and know not everyone will love it. But some people who have the same point of view, they would, and then you can grow your community from there.”
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I’ll start by saying “thank you” to you because without nostr we wouldn’t have the freedom/ability to run such experiments.
I agree that a bunch of people will revert to dopamine, social bubbles, and phone-zombie behavior like you suggest if given an easy glide path. But I wonder, who will build/optimize those algorithms? If developers are not incentivized by being coupled to an ad serving platform maybe we’ll see different results — maybe we’ll get some of the same, but we could also get a lot of wild experimentation that turns out to discover other things people want.
I suspect we could see different algorithms at different points in a user lifecycle/journey. One algo to onboard new users to their first few follows/connections. Maybe a new interface that lets people preview content before selecting who to follow. Maybe there should be a lot more “for you” content driven by notes and following suggestions should be a side-effect of which notes you react/zap from people you aren’t yet following. There’s just so much greenfield to explore and nostr makes this possible. Corporate controlled algos will all trend toward serving the corporation’s goals, but open/transparent/switchable/pluggable algorithms can be built to serve end-user goals which will almost certainly be different since no one’s primary goal in life is to view an ad.
I think “proof of work” on finding the good people/content is fine for now — slightly annoying, but not devastating. We put in the effort. Though we miss so many valuable ideas/connections this way.
But I believe nostr has the right architecture to serve most publishing needs on the Internet and create a whole new layer of what is “the web”. I would estimate there are at least 1B+ public messages shared on the Internet each day. There’s not enough time in my day (no matter how committed I am to “doing the work”) to filter them all for the stuff I care about or might like to see. I need computational help (i.e. an algorithm) to do this properly. What great people/ideas/relationships could come into my life if only there were a way to match us with the right context?
Open protocols rule. Thanks for making nostr, man!
great concept! Looks clean/simple/pro.
It seems like this could be especially useful for visual content and might be a nice interface to help with people/content discovery.
Would onboarding have you select people to follow or would the app just start sharing content in this swipe interface?
I assume no zaps (for now)?
i just noticed Ditto for the first time in this post. i like more trending-ness coming to nostr! makes it easy for people to find where the action is happening
what are your primary goals in developing Ditto? what do you seek to explore?
It’s more than an app
You may be using one nostr app (e.g., Primal, Damus, or Amethyst). I may be using a different app. In fact I use many different apps.
But your NSEC is the key to portability. It lets you move from app to app and still “bring your followers and notes” along.
That’s why nostr is a protocol. It’s more foundational than any one app.
I just sent from boardwalkcash to my primal LN address
How were fees calculated/deducted? does Primal already have a lightning channel established with BoardwalkCash?
so it’s based on people following an npub of an account associated with the download? does it require the binary is signed by the corresponding nsec?
would be nice if there were a stronger endorsement scheme representing something like “i’ve downloaded and endorse this binary”
love it!
is zap.store signing a kind of interim step to establish trust until developers are setup to sign their own binaries?
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What use-cases/value props worked in the past?
I suspect USD inflation/absolute scarcity will become a more obvious reason to many people in the coming years
I was just on a call with someone new to nostr. He’s just beginning to research and understand how it all works. He asked me about what I’m most interested in at the frontier of nostr today. Here’s the list I ran off the top of my head. What else should I be learning about and playing with?
1. long form notes
2. open/transparent algorithms
3. a commons for open source data storage/sharing (e.g. as used by ecash mints)
4. blossom
agreed, it sounds like a very interesting idea.
Maybe you could have the version of the client that you distribute/brand which has a specific taste and emphasizes/surfaces the stuff you want to see in the app/world (non-AI generated, maybe you ask people to attest to that or have other mechanisms of identifying such). Other people could take the same open source client software and go in different directions (AI-only, AI-powered, etc.).
A lot of this depends on how you choose to do discovery of people and content in various surfaces like “onboarding” and “explore”.
I don’t know a ton about Mastodon, but my understanding is that it’s been around long enough to have some substantial if still somewhat fringe communities actively using. Are the integrations/bridges effective/used/useful? Are there other cultural barriers between Mastodon/Nostr preventing more cross-usage.
Is content moderation ever a problem for Mastodon instances or do they mostly remain small enough they just rule with an iron fist and don’t have much government coercion?
cc @Alex Gleason 🐍 who may have some insight that would help here
the beauty here is the same data can be used in infinitely different ways supporting different ideologies/beliefs or as neutral as you want (i.e., “show me everything”)
It would only be a problem if they controlled nostr which obviously they don’t
@jb55@vrod
I use Damus on MacOS every day. Often when I share web links i get complaints from the person i’m sending them to that they don’t understand what is going on. here’s a recent example
is this because the web view doesn’t know which relays to pull identities from? any ideas for how to improve this experience?
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I’m assuming you haven’t prioritized improving this since the data doesn’t suggest there’s enough opportunity here to help Damus/Nostr grow much?
I share these links outside all the time, fwiw, but maybe not enough global volume of sharing outside
@PABLOF7z what do you suspect is the most-common/best workflow for highlighting a web article on highlighter.com?
1. Find it on the web, paste it into highlighter’s url bar and read/highlight onsite?
2. Discover articles on Highlighter and highlight while reading there?
3. Import from a bookmarking tool like Pocket or a nostr-native alternative?
4. Use a browser extension (do these exist already for highlighter)?
5. Something else?
🙏 thanks for building this… really want to get it plugged into my workflows
I tried pasting a link from a website i wanted to read (and though i might end up highlighting from) and got this. is highlighter basically running a “reader mode” rendering?
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If you’re intellectually honest you should be able to steelman a position even if you disagree with it.
What are the best points you could put forward in support of a position you ultimately disagree with?
I’d like to read a blog written by people who disagree with the main point they’re making.
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