Oddbean new post about login | logout "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” 1 Samuel 15:3 #biblestr
And you have no clue why that was said. I can't say I blame you since I just recently found out myself. It makes a heck of a lot more sense on context.
What context should it have besides mass murder and infanticide?
The fact that the Amalekites were a nephilim group/clan and they were, in fact, cannibalistic evil worshippers and not strictly human. Saying that you're probably gonna go "huh?" like I did the first time I heard that. And, well, yeah.
So your god punish innocent children for what their parents do?
That's one opinion, and a common one. I'm still learning about this, but... If you were born to be sacrificed and eaten, it may just be better to not have to go through that particular torture. So, you may see that as punishment. Others may see that as release from a horrible fate. Like I said, that's the hardest part to reconcile and I am still learning it. But... Everyone else? I'm very OK with slaughtering satanic, cannibalistic pedos. 🤷♂️
The understanding of those passages that I've heard runs along a few parallel tracks. The first is that God commands this to protect the Israelites. As it turns out later, the Israelites don't completely uproot the inhabitants of the land, and they fall into the pagan practices of the Canaanites. If they had obeyed God's commands, they would not have been as tempted towards idolatry. A second reading is more metaphorical. We can see in the Canaanites an image of sin and temptations. If we are to be holy as God wishes for us, we must completely uproot sin and all of its occasions from our lives. In this reading, God's command is directed at us today: we must purge all that separates us from him. All of this is not necessarily incompatible with God's mercy. The Canaanites were utterly lost in multifarious sins and idolatries. Even the children would just grow up to heap condemnation upon themselves. If they die at the hands of the Israelites that spares them from the future sins they would otherwise commit.
I hear this argument from the non-religious as a justification for abortion...
My key takeaway from all this is that "Religion, is the root of all evil". All of it.
I wouldn't go that far, but religion, like policing and politics, has always attracted the corrupt and the very evil.
Yes. Maybe I was being a little harsh but I still stand by the statement. I'm a "Christian" in name as I was christend as a baby, I didn't obviously concent to this but there we are. Are the 10 commandments a good code to live your life by? Well yes, of course they are. Do I believe that Jesus was the son of God? Nope. Muhammad the prophet of Allah? Nope. All "Moderates" of most religions are absolutely fine. It's the fucking lunatic fringe of each one that causes all the evil, ergo "Religion is the root of all evil"......That and Central Bankers🤷🏻♂️.
Fair point. The Old Testament has some difficult passages, and I don't claim to know completely how to think about them. "The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away." The utter sovereignty of God is a theme of the Old Testament, to be sure. If God commands the destruction of a people, it must be just, because God is just. Abortion is different because God is not commanding it.
God is perfectly capable of taking action himself if action needs taking. Sodom and Gommorah would agree. Failing that, God is capable of communicating to individual mortals like me directly. Too many examples. If some mortal man is telling me God wants me to kill children and infants, its probably Hitler or Ben Gvir, and he probably needs company in his tent (of the fragmenting kind...)
That last point is why I led with the moral/allegorical interpretation of the passage. Frankly, I don't fully understand why God would command the Israelites to kill all of the Canaanites, but I do understand that when I read it today, I can understand it as an admonition to aggressively root out all the things in my life that will draw me away from God. Yet, we can't simply discard the literal meaning of the text, and those passages are definitely among the most difficult to understand literally, at least from a moral framework shaped by the incarnation, death, and resurrection of God. God also allowed divorce in ancient Israel, but Jesus forbids it to Christians. Is this a contradiction? It sure can feel that way sometimes. Is God "allowed" to command what he pleases? Yes. Now, this goes back to the ancient question: "Does God commands something because it is just, or is it just because he commands it?" I tend towards the Medieval view of divine simplicity—that God is identical with all of his attributes. So God and justice are the same thing. Which suggests to me that if these passages of Scripture don't *appear* just, it must be because I am failing to grasp some underlying unity. All this isn't much in the way of answers, but it's how I try to think about such things.
This is something that Alexandria will be able to answer itself one day with the right vector representation, but how did St. Thomas of Aquinas square that particular circle?
A bit of searching brought this up; Article 5 is especially pertinent: https://www.newadvent.org/summa/2094.htm Thomas asserts God's absolute sovereignty over life and death, saying: "All men alike, both guilty and innocent, die the death of nature: which death of nature is inflicted by the power of God on account of original sin, according to 1 Samuel 2:6: "The Lord killeth and maketh alive." Consequently, by the command of God, death can be inflicted on any man, guilty or innocent, without any injustice whatever." All the objections and replies are worth a read, though.
While searching I also read the suggestion that the commands we see to put all the Canaanites to the sword was a Hebrew idiomatic hyperbole; indeed we see examples of hyperbole throughout Scripture ("If your eye causes you to sin,..." etc.).
If this is the case, then, as you suggested earlier, perhaps we are not to take it absolutely literally, in which case the moral or spiritual meaning becomes primary in governing our understanding of such passages. It's still hard to conceive a god who kill innocent children en masse. Where's justice in that? To make justice you need first that someone conscientiously commits a crime and the punishment must fit the crime. If your god can break this rule then he's committing a contradiction of the rules which himself created, if he's contradictory then he isn't a real god
If you cook a meal, do you not have both the power and right to share it with whom you please, or to not share it at all?
That's exactly what I'm trying to point out: if the god of the Bible can change the notion of justice (opening exceptions from the natural law which himself supposedly created) whenever he wants then he cannot be a god, because one of the characteristics of the God is being perfect and immutable, if he can "change his mind" about what is justice then he's mutable and mutability is not perfect
Another example how the Bible is contradictory: "The Lord reigns forever; he has established his throne for judgment. He rules the world in righteousness and judges the peoples with equity." (Psalm 9:7-8) If he "judges with equity" why did he command the killing of innocent children?
YHVH commanded israelites to bash children against the rocks, did he not? I would say just accept it if you intend to keep being a Christian. Otherwise, abandon it.
Aborting male nigger babies is a net positive. Cats and dogs would be thankful.
Volume Two of the Talmud will not make you happy...
I wouldn't know until I do. 😅
In Vol 2 a child molester went to court to get out of paying the child's bride price as a fine. The Sages sided with the molester on the grounds that the victim was under 3 and (in their, medically wrong, opinion) her hymen will regrow so no harm done. This was considered an important and valuable precedent, and included in the Talmud so future child molesters could re-use the defence. The actual text is worse than my summary - its the tone, and the shekel-counting. There's lots of other bad mojo - advice for slave-trading and the like, but the above is the worst. I stopped after volume two, and stopped wondering about my great-grandparents apostasy from Judiasm to Christianity...
Indeed. 3 is fresky degen jewish stuff. I will stick to nubile 12 yo women.
"not strictly human" I see you've been reading your Talmud
Nephilim? ..... Like, what, are you saying there have been non-human bipedal mammals on this planet with intelligence similar to ours but who are prone to evil, but then they got wiped out? I wonder if there is another example of that nowadays.... https://share.yabu.me/efc965d2f405276e24e3910efaf87dbd262c18a374b278161e9d3c26cc24c8f1/e9bf7b2a6ef45637be0539e3c1443c8cb0d3acdc9a3462e54006e53a184c12ae.webp
I'm not going to go along with your racist pandering. But yes, nephilim. Who, for the record, are more associated with white skin and red hair. So... You might want to check your idiocy meter against yourself.
Well, I don't base my based racist pandering on the a Hebrew book, but rather, in reality.
Your reality is a pretty awful place.
Idk man. It seems that in general I am safer around Whites than around niggers. Almost as if it's an obvious part of reality. Good reality.
Your blanket statements really are gross.
I guess reality is gross to you, ok. Perhaps moving to Nigeria or Haiti would make you stop being a pussy and accept reality for what it is. Or maybe you would perish before that.
I could point you to various white majority places that are quite awful, too. Sure, Haiti and Nigeria are bad. That's get very little to do with race and a whole lot to do with culture and faith.
Not a single White country will ever be as pathetic as Haiti.
Wow. You're very blind. It's honestly impressive that you're so blind! Cool. Thank you. I am learning a lot from you. 💪🫂❤️
@Low Information Voter emanating nigger worship. Very pathetic.
Worship? No.
My bad. Nigger love. You love niggers.
It could be said that I do love some that you call that. And why is that supposedly a bad thing?
Because they are demonic and non-human. And if they could, they would invariably decimate you.
No, they are not. And no, just some of them would.
Why don't you try moving into Haiti? I am sure the residents will treat you so well.
Speaking of which, how did the Nephilim get created? I thought God created all living beings.
They got created by The Watchers breeding with human women.
.....the watchers? Are you trolling me?
Why would you want to catch me having sex with my 12 yo nubile wife? Are you into peeping?
She would also not be harmed in cultures where the age of consent is 18. Unless a predator (possibly you) kidnaps her with the police and gaslights her with drugs and psychiatrists into thinking her beloved man was raping her.
Agreed. Because the police and the satanic government would cause it. The question is: Why would you help them cause it? If I saw a blonde man dating a 12 yo girl in America, I would tell him to take her abroad or keep it more hidden, but would not be a predator and have the police kidnap the girl.
Irresponsible? It's best if you can correct a girl from growing up within an evil culture than not to. Would you not want a White girl from being taken away from a nigger worshipping BLM crime glorifying neighborhood?
And, again, I must ask, wouldn't you be causing the greater harm by calling the police? How about instead you ask them to keep it more private so that they can safely come out as a couple years later.
Common Hebechad victory. The hebechad will endure a couple punches, then take his new bride to Iran where baby making will commence.
Daniel Haqiqatjou already debunked the notion that 12 yo girls don't have hips large enough to give birth. In fact, for the next 3 years, their hips only grow by 10% Also, yes, there were hebechads. Just gotta remember Eunice's Husband. They built their own home and had no interference from any mother-in-law or such nonsense. The idea that all teenage islamic marriages involge the husband having to live inside the mother-in-law's house is quite suspect. Would love some source on that.
I said unwise, not impossible, and I chose the word with care. 10% matters enormously if you are trying to squeeze a human baby's head through it while doing as little damage as possible. The engineering of the human female pelvis is a very unfortunate compromise between running and childbirth, and tolerances are... tight. Living arrangements have bewildering diversity across cultures, there is no 100% on anything, but I'm on safe ground when I say the overwhelming majority of extant cultures that practice early female marriage also overwhelmingly practice both both patrilocalism and multigenerational households.
Feel like with today's medical procedures, that 10% can be easily circumvented. Also, would love to see some data on how 12 yo girls giving birth somehow causes vaginal fistula. Bear in mind, if you are Catholic, you have to belief Mary gave birth to Jesus when she was at most 14, as was the Hebrew tradition for girls to marry at ages 12-14. Now what, were they all running terrible risks?
And yes, multigenerational household, that I agree with, but not with the notion that the husband needs to move in to the wife's house. Rather, I saw cases where it's the opposite.
In fact, all cases I saw where redditors cry like faggots imply the wife moved into the husband's house. And it's just the two of them living together.
There were the actual interviewd with the husbands and their brides. You know that, right?
Feel like with today's medical procedures, that 10% can be easily circumvented. Also, would love to see some data on how 12 yo girls giving birth somehow causes vaginal fistula. Bear in mind, if you are Catholic, you have to belief Mary gave birth to Jesus when she was at most 14, as was the Hebrew tradition for girls to marry at ages 12-14. Now what, were they all running terrible risks?
And yes, multigenerational household, that I agree with, but not with the notion that the husband needs to move in to the wife's house. Rather, I saw cases where it's the opposite.
I saw 3 interviews.
There may sometimes be, but give only those two, the patriarchal hebechad choice is clearly far superior.
I thought you wrote that the husband moved into the wife's parents's house and has to subkit to his mother-in-law. If that's not the case, you fail your argument. The wife movies in with the husband and submits to him. At best I can imagine both submitting to the father-in-law, but he need not move in with them.
No, C-section. Hate that crap. Mommy had me with it and my brother as well. No, thanks. Normal birthing but with better tools to help the baby get out without harming the vagina.
No need for rubber. My pullout game is excellent. Hence why I never got my ex-gf(she was half-monkey I bet) pregnant.
Very well. It is settled. I shall marry a 12 yo girl and then, if I wait 3 years, you will not report me to Hillary Clinton's personal army I mean police.
Wait, really? That's fucked up. You would want my safety and the girl's to be damaged for some sick art?
@Dissident Sound can we trust this aussie man when he can't speak straight?
well i agree with him that killing Anti-Pedophiles has to be the first step no fucking 12 year olds until all Anti-Pedophiles are either dead or had their dicks cut off or shaking in fear we must secure the moral high ground first and you do that by killing, maiming and torturing anybody who disagrees with us until they pretend to agree with us just like they currently pretend to disagree they are spineless losers and easy to break
after 12 year old pussy is secured then we can worry about how to fuck it without harming it
Based. Write it down, @Low Information Voter
I eill fuck and impregnate 12 yos in the east while the westoid nigger subhumans cry about it.
shouldn't impregnate girls until they are about 16 or so ... unless they have a huge ass !
15 it is.
If she can bleed then she can breed.
by breed in this context we mean have sex, not give birth. sure she CAN give birth but it is better to wait until the hips reach full size.
A 5 year old girl hit puberty and got pregnant and gave birth to a child. She was fine and nothing bad happened to her.
science says women with bigger hips give birth to more intelligent children ...
Let's go with the assumption she is eager to kiss me and suck my cock everyday, so she doesn't walk to walk home. Eez win for me, little suffering. You lose, again, aussie.
They are taking those pills because instead of learning good things, such as cooking(which is literally therapeutic) and cleaning, they are fed expectations of crap like high school, uni, jobs and hypergamic feminist crap. Little girls need to be fed quality patriarchal anime from an early age so they learn what they need to emulate and what their role in society is. Their idols should be Kotonoha Katsura(from her good routes of School Days HQ) and Sylphiette from Mushoku Tensei. Once that is accomplished, all this BS about xanax will go away. And tbh, in your case, you were dating a nigger lover, since she was a White "Liberal".
after 12 year old pussy is secured then we can worry about how to fuck it without harming it
Poor village in Russia? Or Ukraine. Maybe go for a European country with 14 as the AoC and try my luck.
Based. Write it down, @Low Information Voter
I eill fuck and impregnate 12 yos in the east while the westoid nigger subhumans cry about it.
shouldn't impregnate girls until they are about 16 or so ... unless they have a huge ass !
15 it is.
If she can bleed then she can breed.
by breed in this context we mean have sex, not give birth. sure she CAN give birth but it is better to wait until the hips reach full size.
A 5 year old girl hit puberty and got pregnant and gave birth to a child. She was fine and nothing bad happened to her.
science says women with bigger hips give birth to more intelligent children ...
