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 Ok fine. I give up. I am going to try Keto. Too many of you who I respect swear by it. And I've recently gotten heavy for unclear reasons. I need an emergency measure, and strict fasting erodes muscle.

I"m not worried about the saturated fat. If you can't keep those levels below about 9% of energy, then you aren't getting the cardiovascular benefit of that "trick".  Once you are eating more than that, the amount doesn't matter (it is a sharp S curve).  A few months of "normal" saturated fat intake is in no way going to offset the benefit of the weight loss.

I'm not worried about high protein intake. I expect to get 30% of my energy from my own body fat; I'm not replacing a 2500 kCal diet with 2500 kCal of meat... that would be mad.  It is more like fasting augmented with some meat.

I'm not going strictly carnavore, but pretty close. I will have salt, papper, tea, coffee, miso soup, kimchi, metamucil.

I'm starting at 104.9 kg.

Advice and support is welcome.

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 Try intermittent fasting and sugar control. Works for some, me included 
 I've practiced "sugar control" for 30 years.  Even small amounts of sugar tastes too sweet for me. I don't crave it, I am repulsed by sweet tastes. I'm very much "off of sugar".

And intermittant fasting does work for me. But it isn't always easy, and the effort psychologically detracts from other things I'm trying to put effort into. 
 Carnivore works awesome for weight loss. Not sure about keto. Intermittent fasting also great. 
 Ok well this is pretty much carnivore, so here we go! 
 Keto definitely works to lose weight 

First couple of days you might feel a bit dumb in the brain but that goes away and then you feel even smarter 

Take progress pics every week to stay motivated  
 I'd say as someone who tried pure keto (strict keto — no sugar, carbs) with intermittent fasting for almost 2 years, it did wonders. However, it was hard to sustain and ended up binge-eating refined sugar as a result of restrain. In the end, I introduced cheat days so I do not need to do binge-sugar craving. If all your life, you have been eating refined sugar, it can be challenging and isolating considering the food industry introduce sugar in some shape or form in our food. I'd say balancing it is the key. Rooting for you! ✌️👏💯 
 It is good to hear this worked for you.

And also good for me to hear that sugar was the binge craving.  Because I haven't craved sugar since I was 5 years old.  I hate sweet tastes.  Always did.   But I do love bread... :-/ 
 Awesome that you posted this.  Now you have a ton of accountabilibuddies who will be tuned in to your learning journey 💪

My 2 sats - 

1. find exercise that’s fun for you.   Could be just walking.  Prioritize it. 

2. Prioritize sleep and waking up with the sun! 
 Day 1-3 if you get a headache drink some salt water. Just plan on drinking salt water to avoid the keto flu. A little goes along way. 

Track your macros. I find using an app to track your food you ingest gives you an idea of where you succeeded or failed. Without knowledge you cannot adjust. 

Once you get into ketosis, Intermittent fast. Let’s say eat solids between 12-8. I would still do morning keto drink as a starter which is really just some coffee, oil and heavy cream. 

Main issue I see with keto newcomers is they struggle to ingest fats and lean to too much on protein which turns to carbs so make those fats up in foods like Olives, Avocado, Fatty Nuts, Oils, Butter and etc. 

Do it long enough and you become fat adapted and multiple day fasts become a breeze. 

Best part of the diet is your body talks to you. Food like an avocado becomes a cup of coffee being the energy is sifted from fat and you aren’t bogged down by carbs. 

Anyways, just my 2 cents. Good luck! 
 Besides the 16/8 fast, I’d recommend bulletproof style coffee for breakfast with a cup of water on the side.
Bulletproof coffee is? 
1. Clean mycotoxin free coffee of your choice.
2. 1-2 tbs real butter.(no substitutes.)
3. 1-2 tbs coconut oil.
4. Blend all till frothy and enjoy.
(No sweeteners) 
 If I buy green coffee beans and roast them myself, are they likely contaminated with mycotoxins?  I have a UV light to check for that classic aflatoxin glow, lemme check .....  nope they don't have aflatoxin.
 
 Did you check the green beans or the roasted beans?
Being a person who is highly mycotoxin sensitive, roasting doesn’t make for clean coffee. I wish it did. We also roast our own. 
 The green beans 
 don't forget to keep your electrolytes up... this has saved my ass recently, literally i was on the edge of losing my vision and becoming a cripple and unable to think clearly enough to code, and potassium has saved me

potassium is the most important, coconut milk, potassium salts, and root vegetables are the key there... and close behind them is Boron, which is also a lot in these, and mainstream medicine doesn't even hardly understand boron, but without boron, your kidneys eliminate magnesium and calcium and that leads to all kinds of nerve and bone problems, and strength problems

and you won't get the solution to those from carnivore or keto

paleo... you need roots and leaves

i don't think this is negotiable, either, i am now quite certain this is the backbone of human biology 
 I'll be eating kimchi and miso soup, because I don't think it is healthy to go without some plants and bacteria.  Once I'm done with my keto period I will reintroduce things like cabbage and swedes. 
 I found carnivore far more mentally easier than keto because the decision making was easier. Did it come from an animal was far easier to answer than how many carbs are in this.

Psyllium husks tear up your intestines man. You don't need fibre to poop. 
 "Psyllium husks tear up your intestines" where did you get this from? I bought that stuff and very occasionally add a spoon or two to a meal but thought it was actually quite good for your health? 
 Fibre's a psyop man.

Think about it.

They literally turned flour waste into a health food product. 

Why would putting indigestible substances into your digestive system be a good idea?

Before you say gut biome, I've got some probiotics to sell you. 
 I did try & find a credible source for the damage psyllium does but I can't find anything. Apparently psyllium is amazing.

I guess I made it up. 
 Sarcasm is such a waste of everybody's time ... 
 Your argument works great on micro plastics: if it doesn't decompose in hundreds of years, basically being inert, why would it harm to have some mg of it in my body?

For fiber though I think there is a case to be made that it increases the volume of what reaches your lower intestines and I think there is scientific evidence it lowers colesterol. Clearly it's not its chemical properties but its mechanical properties. 
 My 2sats, general approach I recommend:

First, focus on gradually reducing your Refined Sugar intake to near zero, then all Carbs near zero.

Consider eliminating leafy greens and a small list of veggies after your own research/sensitivities. Take your time and adapt at your own pace, customising based on how you feel and eliminate / re-introduce / tolerate certain foods.

Then look at increasing red meat consumption over time. Mostly Beef, whatever cuts you prefer. You’ll gravitate to higher fat content over time naturally.

Intermittent Fasting is the way, but it will come naturally as the quantity
of food you eat (and waste you eliminate) decreases over time, based on your body’s actual needs.

Eat when you’re hungry, as much as you like, until you’re full (60-90% red meat). The key is to wait until you’re truly HUNGRY - go a little bit longer, another stomach growl or three beyond what you normally tolerate.

Practice over time, gradually getting stricter and heading towards Carnivore’ish (60-100%), and it will all come naturally and comfortably over time.

6-8 years later and I’m cycling back and forth with ease, can lose extra weight easily. I relaxed down to about 90% Carnivore, now regularly ripping down to 70-80% as a break now and then, and can hop back on and go strict again days or weeks later, no problemo 👌 all within a few kg of my target weight 
 Don't worry about calories on keto. If you eat keto, you will lose weight even if you try not to.

Eat fat. Lots of it. The goal is not to replace carbs with protein but with fat. Lean meat probably works for faster weight loss but even if you eat fatty meat you will lose weight. 
 Good job!  I've done carnivore for several months each year starting in Jan.  It really makes a difference.  I need to do it for longer.  Maybe this year? 
 I'm no expert but I personally would have more red meat (I believe it's  more nutrient dense and if you really want a fibre supplement ditch the metamucil and go with straight psyllium husk. Metamucil has other garbage chemical additives. Just my 2 sats. Good luck and it sounds like a good change to me. 
 You are right on the metamucil I have pure psyllium husk I am using that instead. I just grabbed the bottle for the picture without much thought.  Metamucil has sugar anyways I think. 
 When I did a keto diet for a few months it was a very interesting experiment. This was many, many years ago. My experience was that I was constantly ravenous and I was eating constantly while on the diet. It felt very weird to be eating so much and especially so much fat. But I followed the diet I was using and it told me to eat as much as I wanted as long as I didn't stray from the specificied foods - and in particular zero carbohydrates. I'd eat a full, huge meal and then be hungry enough to eat another meal like it 2 hours later.

Very quickly I could feel that my metabolism had shifted into a different mode. And even though I was eating what seemed to me like ridiculous quantities of meat and fat, I started losing body fat within a few days and that continued for a while (maybe 3 - 4 weeks if I am remembering things right) until I plateaued at a lower body fat level.

While I was on the diet, no matter how much food I ate, it never felt actually satisfying. And even though the food I was eating was extremely high quality and very well-prepared, it always seemed like it was missing something. It's hard to put in words what I am trying for but it's like the food was simultaneously delicious and completely blandly uninteresting and all the while I was totally ravenous. It was weird.

I don't think it would be a healthy diet (for me anyway) for a long period but I think it was a really good metabolic reset for a short period. I think of it kind of like running a gas engine flat out for a while to blow out all the carbon deposits. Engines always seem to run cleaner after that treatment and that's kind of how my body felt after the keto diet.

Anyway, that was my experience. I'd say that if you find yourself craving more food than you are "planning" (in the Mike Tyson sense of things) to eat, to go ahead and eat as much as you want. That's what I did, anyway. Just stay away from the carbs which I think would inhibit that metabolic switch that I was talking about and then your body might keep storing the fat instead of burning it. 
 Your experience is very much what I expect... where you just can't eat any more fat and protein, and yet you are still hungry for something.  Your body wants carbs (for the brain at least) and has to subtitute ketones, but it really doesn't want to, so you remain carb-hungry. 
 Hi, Mike, writing from Gossip here :) My way of giving back for the benefits of your work is to share something about my personal journey in this regard. Short-term changes (diets) generally don't work. Lifestyle changes do. In my specific case, cutting out gluten + intermittent fasting (16:8) (with paleo) were crucial (I've been doing this for many, many years). It was a truly transformative experience. In my view (i am not a doctor), Medicine is a very, very complicated field. It's unavoidable (and can be beneficial, for sure) in extreme situations (when the benefits outweigh the risks), problematic in so many other cases. Our science tends to leak water when dealing with complexity (human body...). Listening to our own body and learning from the history of human evolution tend to yield better results in prevention. The results for me appeared within the first few weeks of experimenting with paleo (and the consequent elimination of gluten). Some other simple lifestyle changes with a high impact in my personal life include HIIT and proper breathing. But this is just my perception of the problem; I don't know if it's generalizable, although I have seen similar results in many people. 
 One detail: all these measures are simple (although they require discipline and persistence), and they all have a systemic impact. 
 Thanks. Yes we are complicated and all somewhat different. I experiment on myself a lot and I take a lot of clues from evolution, some evolutionary arguments are very convincing. Gluten alone didn't make much difference in my case, but cutting out coffee+milk+wheat for 2 weeks did fix my IBS for a while (until I started cheating)... it took almost 2 weeks for the result to occur which is probably why it has been so hard in the past to test foods (I didn't know I had to wait so long). HIIT is great. I climb hills as fast as I can, forcing myself to over-breathe makes it easier. My current keto diet is not a short-term change, it is a short-term experiment. I will evaluate what to take from it after I'm done experimenting. 
 I think the addition of fermented vegetables is good 
 1lb per day once you are in ketosis! 
 Huzzah! Share your results please! 
 End of day 2 and I'm doing ok 
 movement first thing each morning while fasted is very beneficial. 
even just a light walk consistantly will really help