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 GM nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9uq3xamnwvaz7tmhda6zuat50phjummwv5hsx7c9z9 nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ex2mrfw3jhxtn0wfnszynhwden5te0wahhgtn4w3ux7tn0dejszxthwden5te0wdjkuerfwshxummnvekxzun99e3k7mgrcp7e2 
 Where can I drop you guest suggestions for Mr. O? I directed some notes at you here on nostr with a guest suggestion, not sure if received, but I just thought of another one.

Not that the current ones aren't any good, f.i. I do like Kaminska's reasonable outsiders view on this one. I did however disagree with the part about Europe's future economy as a Disneyland, thats not doing justice to the massive tech and component industry and engineering base that is still present in Germany, Netherlands, France and to some extent Italy. (Have to admit: Its future is massively undercut by EU's retarded energy policy and population decline, while EuroDisney future looks less spotty) 
 
Peter, how is your Dutch? I think enough English interjected to figure out what he is saying.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/cJ2Xd0P5lxA

Would make for an interesting guest I think?
He's a bitcoiner for some years already, and his character and other interests make him stand out from most (ex-)footballers.

(Its Ryan Babel ex-Liverpool and Ajax-striker)
 
 Well for fuck's sake!

I can deal with replyguy and impersonators but this is doing me in! 

https://image.nostr.build/f76e975b934a032cb93785f73b754cbbb391b8061295039ca78b0ecf2fc41624.jpg

nostr:nevent1qqsvh4wpqe769pgvhyh6yx3cn72y8lhz0y3v6eywhj57dmp9nfnqwscppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsgydql3q4ka27d9wnlrmus4tvkrnc8ftc4h8h5fgyln54gl0a7dgsrqsqqqqqp9enn4u 
 Is there a way to mute keywords in embedded content? nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpzamhxue69uhhv6t5daezumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcscpyug 
 Oh, I configured those to include "Kendrick" and "Lamar" but Jack's note with a YouTube link to this song slipped into my feed. I'm on 0.91.0 
 Well for fuck's sake!

I can deal with replyguy and impersonators but this is doing me in! 

https://image.nostr.build/f76e975b934a032cb93785f73b754cbbb391b8061295039ca78b0ecf2fc41624.jpg

nostr:nevent1qqsvh4wpqe769pgvhyh6yx3cn72y8lhz0y3v6eywhj57dmp9nfnqwscppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsgydql3q4ka27d9wnlrmus4tvkrnc8ftc4h8h5fgyln54gl0a7dgsrqsqqqqqp9enn4u 
 Great song! Through my NIP-05 identifier this song has now been officially recommended by nostr.com and the Nostr corporation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJQOPQQN--c

#bach #muse #music #bachstr #musestr 
 Also I want to nutzap Bach now, that feels totally appropriate and inappropriate at the same time! #cashu #nuts #nutzap 
 Whats the volts and amperage off of an electric vehicle charger? And could you "charge" and S19 a... 
 So theoretically you could mine some sats, heat your car AND hog a charger spot from electric cars? 
 Thats not a rebuttal, its a smear piece with very little attention to the contents of his arguments 
 Hum... what's the number of nuts that will force me to code a Nut wallet into Amethyst. 🤔 😎... 
 I'm in a catch 22 now, I can't nutzap it into existence until you code nutzaps in Amethyst into existence. Hope the IMMEASURABLE opportunity costs of not having nutzaps will force your hand... 
 Cool, i now have a nostr.com nip-05! Thanks nostr:nprofile1qqswnep8vjgrwjsd4am4nl2lgaw7lahlhxc0chaf3jgzkh6t9l3mhgspzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcrunmm0 
 Oh i mean nostr:nprofile1qqsvrlrhw86l5sv06wkyjgs6rrcekskvk7nx8k50qn9m7mqgeqxjpvgpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtctcf224 
 If I see a message count like Xitter threads, I'm not reading it. That's only needed for gilded c... 
 I would prefer 2-note-threads like: 
'1) HERE IS MY LONG STORY ABOUT Y'
'2) LONG STORY Y'

over single 'LONG STORY Y ALL AT ONCE' notes. This for readability and ignorability. 

Agree that anything over 2 notes is needless complication 
 What was Pavel arrested for specifically? 

We’re quite quick to jump on it being a freedom of ... 
 Failure to surrender, thats a punishable offence in France 
 I need a poker virtual chip stack over nostr.  
 Is it ok to spend some sats for a Swiss watch :) ? 
 Might be high time preference;)
For a positive reason: might reduce screentime as you don't get tempted to go on your phone or PC to tell the time. 
 When I was younger people would constantly tell me I was cocky/arrogant. 

People don’t say tha... 
 If they still would have to tell you that now, they would also add that you're a slow learner 
 Expected lifetime, or end of maintenance or planned shutdown date.
Probably specified nowhere yet at mints, but I think ecash and mints are by nature fleeting, and such a mechanism should probably exist.

Maybe some sort of web of trust score, or previous record of mint manager if available 
 This is 🎯 but not sure it's fixable. All throughout history, people love to simp and have "her... 
 I think it will stay this way for some time still, then it will get better because of better tools (like tailored DVMs that now popup). 
Then if Nostr popularity picks up because of its special qualities it will get worse again. 

Most people will use Nostr to emulate the current social networks, maybe even create exxagarated versions with addictions feeding tools (like tailored DVMs that now popup) 
 Chaums ecash did not fly at least in part because nobody had solved the unconfiscatable, scarce digital commodity problem, there were no reliable sources of value on computers.

That Bitcoin and Lightning were invented makes dipping in and out of ecash possible, and makes Chaumian ecash suddenly a useful tool and solution for different problems than BTC and LN. 

Its IMO (maybe even in its current highly beta state) at the very least useful for local meatspace or trusted networks where you have small transactions, interactions and need to keep score. Caution obviously should be taken with it, balances kept low and temporary and trust (between mint&user) is necessary and not minimized in chaumian ecash. Even with its drawbacks I think it could power the thriving of circular economies, it's quite a good replacement for normal cash or (trad)Bank-transactions.

Maybe a bad analogy could help illustrate: if you have an induction furnace and an oven for cooking your meals inside in a safe, reliable and comfortable way where only major fuckups get you burned, you might still want to add a barbecue. Although its harder to get the meal right, you then have to be outside and are more likely to get burned or get wet a BBQ is still not a useless tool. I think its clear whats what in the analogy? For the right job, circumstances, and with proper handling, something which is otherwise not very good can be a delightful tool.





 
 Might be that induction devices are crappy and clunky because of the manufacturers standard fiat mindset of cost reduction.

Regardin clunky, to bring it back to ecash, with all its drawbacks, it could be a very smooth payment method. Where lots of internet payment methods bring a lot of clunkiness, like the elaborate but unsafe credit card authorisation or all the blockchain or node-related mess of other cryptopayments. 
 Did I say private? 
 Also, what is a likely higher-order effect of regularly sending text-strings which represent monetary value:
[ ] more focus on encrypted and private communication
[ ] less focus on encrypted and private communication 
 Ecash is the purest/leanest form of money as data. It can probably not get any leaner than just a text string.

Trust without guards or third parties is central to many relations (also over the internet) where value is exchanged, for example any provider-user relation is inherently (partly) trustbased. Blinded Ecash can be an improvement of the risk you face in these relations, also compared to solutions using traditional banking payments.

Because of the points above, and for many other reasons, the payment solutions possible through ecash can be swifter, more private, less burdensome in resources, bigger in transaction throughput than a.o. things like Lightning network, ApplePay, Visa/mastercard

Ecash isn't so much a store of value, but it is up there with the best medium of exchange. 
 We have b cash and e cash, but what about a, c, and d cash? 
 They're the web4 of cash 
 Newsletter subscribers got introduced to our new TFTC Rewards program today. If you received the ... 
 Is this the part where you start zapping more than Odell? 
 So how is all this Eth staking, tokens and contracts  not getting the hammer for money transmission? 
 I don't know, maybe they don't have a public figurehead or foundation with a standing place they could hound down? Oh no wait, they do have that and more! 
 Good evening Nostr ✌🏻

Ecash is a virus

It is the purest manifestation of money as data.

I... 
 But he is not wrong! 
 for years I've been mistreated and ridiculed by some on the basis of "you don't use your _real na... 
 Human proxy-devs or 'katvangers' in Dutch.

(I haven't thought this through) 
 Wouldn't it be better to set some arbitrary fixed limits to how many follows are possible, as that's way easier to implement for all clients, smaller for relays to save, which will give better and more predictable behaviour of nostr as social mediain general. 

(Arbitrary fixed limits is how Bitcoin and twitter got their success) 
 What if you click the "pending X sats" ( with refresh symbol)? It will show if this ecash value is still pending (not spent or at least not received)

Most likely possibility: did you (by accident) create an ecash-token of 15000 (e)sats? If thats the case you can click the outgoing '15000 Ecash' under 'History', it will open a popup with QR, (the ecash-token) click 'copy' to copy a cashu textstring, and 'close' to close the popup.

Then click 'receive' in mainscreen and paste the cashu textstring into the textbox and click 'receive' to redeem the token in your own wallet 
 I think my tips for brisceaux could also solve it for you, see Note:
nostr:nevent1qqsr2fpd62g6q2p3wvpgesm0j8wt692p26rtluw9pespellfj67edlqppamhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5pzqdx4rsptqm88mm0rxseeedpjdakf7snjffjmnyjmgcx4mx8qjc23qvzqqqqqqyevyx32 
 No, I don't think it automatically creates an ecash token. However as an introduction to a new app like cashu.me takes some getting used to, and will probably involve some messing around, you can create an ecash token without being conscious about it, and as soon as a token is created its value will be deducted from your balance, which can be quite confusing. I think something like that happened 
 GM Nostr ☕

When the first mint runner gets indicted on some bullshit money laundering or money... 
 I'm sorry but I think your statement is the distraction and the waste of time. 

Ecash is not only cool, but improves privacy, transaction success and reduces entrance costs of Lightning. Like being able to run a LN Node on a RPi was, this is another paradigm shift in improving decentralisation and lowering friction for money transaction.  
 Anyone who feels comfortable with that risk, because of his measures for anonymisation of the mint ownership, or his expectations of profit, or because he feels he is legally covered. Other reasons could be ignorance or unawareness of the risk, or for activism. Even apart from the last one I think we get plenty of mints.

Because of ecash characteristics, with at least some trust involved, and it just being text there is plenty of ways you can disguise your mint and you would need to have total communication crackdown to prevent transactions.

Even though its technically not a layer of Bitcoin, anything that can reduce the load of transactions on Bitcoin like cashu could do is important and not a distraction IMO



 
 should we invite david chaum 
 Definitely! Maybe convince him with a generous ecash giftcard? 
 You don't need to constantly spam relays if you keep a good local performant cache index which is... 
 From what I understand of Nostr and apps in general (which is not a lot) and from what I see connecting through Tor, I think this makes sense:

nostr:nevent1qqst5qe2ff477l9lu4ms6xkyxurg7qkye5m7wdudnddhl8jhl3pd5tgpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsygxsm6lelvfda7qlg0tud9pfhduysy4vrexj65azqtdk4tr75j6xdspsgqqqqqqslsu9zc

Maybe we just aren't there yet in Nostr development, the point at which you can and should develop a good local cache 
 How many fiatjafs are there? 👀
Are you all fiatjafs? 
 No, some accounts are Fiatjaf bots, like htlc_nbot 
 Did more basic functional tests of lnbits thanks to nostr:npub18pudjhdhhp2v8gxnkttt00um729nv93tue... 
 I thought it was very sensitive, not sure if still the case. You could get full access to someones wallet and funds when you had his wallet ID. Since then some login, superuser and password functionality has been added, but I m not sure this locks wallets/funds. 
 I don't get the point of "the algorithm", how am I alive without using any algorithms? What am I ... 
 Circusses (as in bread & circusses, "are you not entertained?")

Its why normal, lazy people give up on nostr: here you need to keep looking, keep refreshing your follows, go out of your way to continually have fresh, exciting, emoting content to look at. Facebook, Twitter, INSTA shove whatever they think entertains you in your face through their algos 
 I was thinking the same, great video, would like to send this to close relations. However if i send this to my parents who are not fluent in English, they would get stranded on language like 'broker' or 'ledger'. So I second you in asking for various language versions!

Maybe Lyn can make a zap poll with a couple of translation languages? That way you can figure out interest for a specific language, and she immediately gets funding to make it happen or put out some translation bounties? 
 Would you consider doing, supporting or giving your blessing to other language versions? 
 It was suggested by a panelist this morning during the Yakihonne Nostr event that we could bring ... 
 Cashu Ecash is the Nostr token 
 It's all fun and games until we finally fix our NIP05 and you all shit your pants. 
 
nostr:nevent1qqsts3uea52fe3nhk530tmae3vcfnerdvxg9c3ug6r938xauyegg5tspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqzyzslgkdxahcay09sp0fcr09r76zcfz7xryg808nph93uflkpayzfjqcyqqqqqqgvcedaf

Does NSA.gov nip-05 come with more bragging rights than FBI.gov ?

nostr:nevent1qqsry4ws3k3kjqsag5g0h9mqqn5dks2fq2h2mtvfkctfsqv4d767tqgpzamhxue69uhkummnw3ezuendwsh8w6t69e3xj7szyq6d28qzkpkw0hk7xdpnnj6rymmvnap8yjn9hxf9k3sdtkvwp9s4zqcyqqqpkwgzpw07l 
 I first noticed this on a bottle when sitting in a skilift and I thought "wow, that's really useful" 
 Dumb people, when they don't have all the facts, they make shit up to fill in the gaps. And then ... 
 Surely nobody would be so dumb that they made up someone like Piers Morgan? 
 Nostr clients need to get serious about efficient bandwidth usage, specially on mobile. Caching a... 
 I agree, nostr should by default work well over a bad connection, like a minimal Tor-connection. Things like profiles, names ( instead of npubs), avatar pics should just display (maybe by caching this on device). If that means (further) limiting Max follows, name size, avatar size etc. for this to work, so be it. Arbitrary limitations are necessary anyway, otherwise all implementations will vary to wildly to be interoperable 
 Hello I use your app and LN address service, I think they are great, thank you for making them! 
However, I was told that when someone tries to zap me, they get an error. Its probably because of/ only when tried through Tor and maybe related to Cloudflare

Tried to zap you, but also got an error, I DMed you about both errorss 
Event not found
 I might have fixed it and i m still unsure how 
Event not found
 Yes, cashu is the leanest and purest manifestation of money as data, to lend a phrase, fedimint is not (at least not the leanest).