I really like clients being able to auth on read… it’d let relays know who’s seeing the content and control things. But I think you’re right we also need anonymous reads for ‘really public’ content.
To be clear, I’m not saying this shit should somehow be censored off of Nostr. Just that I want to be able to use Nostr without having this stuff pop up all the time, and have them show up in my threads when I post about stuff, or be on the relays I choose to use.
I don’t think it’s censorship to be have agency over your own speech and decide who you’re sharing with and talking to.
I think you’re confusing me with somebody else, I’ve never had bluehair… maybe you’re thinking Jack, he used to have blue hair. Nor have I to my knowledge ever worked with the US State Department. I do support Signal and Tor, both projects indirectly got state department funding… I like those projects and support them.
I just bought an audio book on audible and realized I had to do it on my Mac because apple prevents payment for content from iPads and iOS, even in web browsers… And it got me thinking, why does apple let me have more freedom to control my environment and make my own choices on Mac but not the iPad?
To be clear, they would remove Audible or any other app from their AppStore if they allowed paying for content using the web on their devices… In effect they’re banning buying any content on their devices without their cut.
But why are they allowing people to use their Mac for that stuff? What makes a Mac different? I know there’s the history of a Mac being a full computer where you control root, but if it weren’t for historic reasons, why would Apple give more permissions on their computers vs iPads which feel the same in terms of most UI, have the same processors, etc…
And yes, I know, it’s a problem of control, but most people use iOS devices in developed countries… so we can’t just ignore Apple’s platforms.
But what do they mean by social media? Roblox and Minecraft? Or YouTube? That’s what most younger kids are using for social media.
And the keeping kids inside and scheduled is not because of social media. It’s changing in how we parent and raise kids.
As we struggle with spam and other trust, safety, and moderation issues in Nostr folks might find looking at what’s happening in Bluesky to be interesting. Lots of similar problems, different solutions.
https://bsky.social/about/blog/09-18-2024-trust-safety-update
@jb55 and I were talking about how you could make existing nostr iOS apps in to nsec bunkers. Using nip-46 to a server then taking the need to sign the event and making a push notification. The client would spin up in the background, download the event to be signed, and then prompt the user. Similar to how you google, LinkedIn, facebook and others use their mobile app for 2 factor authentication.
I think we need to make nsec bunker url discovery much easier by putting it in the nip-05 server json. That would let you say put rabble@nos.social in the nostr login form, it’d look up your sec bunker, then use that to log you in to the app with remote signing.
No, you’re confused. Queer kids find social media to be a lifeline and access to the internet and social media helps them find support and AVOID self harm and suicide.
I look forward to you learning to love yourself when you finally come to terms with your internalized homophobia and are able to come out.
The sad truth is the people who are most virulently homophobic are that way because they’re queer and hate themselves because of that.
So maybe take some time to reflect and learn to love yourself for who you really are.
It’s very hard to separate out cause and effect. At the same time that social media adoption grew we also saw increased family acceptance and legalization of queer relationships. Are the rates of suicide going down because of social media, or because queer kids aren’t facing violence from peers, or because they’re not being disowned by their family and made homeless? Or is it social media changing society to reduce those harms by increasing acceptance?
What we do know is that suicide rates are dropping amongst queer youth. The change in acceptance and legalization of queer people’s existence has happened much faster than anybody in the queer community expected. A big shift has been the way social media stopped the censorship of almost all queer voices and stories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth
Queer suicide rates are down since 2004… that’s the link I shared with you of the wikipedia page documenting the drop. If you don’t want to look at data, then there isn’t much point of arguing over stats.
How is it Emily in Paris wears a new outfit every scene and she’s almost never shown shopping, nor it it explained how she affords the clothes nor where she stores it all in her tiny walk up apartment?
Anybody else getting tons do spam replies with fake accounts and invalid nip-05’s? I’m thinking if relays refused to accept content from npub’s that were impersonating other people’s nip05 it would help.
https://i.nostr.build/8nflZNOoeoLBpcFO.jpg
Yeah this is a new generation of reply guys for me. Tons. I wonder who’s doing the nostr spam. It’s super annoying but also helps us fix it now rather than later.
There will be a hundred more opportunities like this going forward. The thing we need to do is be ready to take advantage of them. Bluesky took of as the alternative because it was ready and there were already a bunch of Brazilians on Bluesky. We need to work on growth, engagement, and making sure folks who join Nostr find their people and are able to stick around.
Then they’ll promote it to others when something happens big in the news that causes people to look for alternatives.
People seem confused as to why governments shutdown these platforms. It’s in general not for the speech on them, or the algorithms. It’s about compliance. If you run a system where you can comply and don’t it really upsets a state which is trying to make order and sense out of a very disorderly society over which it claims sovereign power.
Bluesky won’t get blocked because they’ll comply with government orders and remove content and users from their servers. My worry is Bluesky has designed the ATproto with a system by which there are centralized forms of takedown. If it were just removing content from their servers, that’d be fine, similar to how Nostr works. Then the government could go chasing every relay operator and slowly try and remove content, but It would be a game of whackamole.
Elon could comply, he does in lots of other places, but he’s picking a fight with a center-left government as part of a broader political / culture war. He takes down stuff for the US, Indian, Saudi governments all the time.
Anyway, Bluesky won’t be blocked in Brazil, both because of how the company is run, but also how the underlying tech works. Bluesky will happily remove folks from their servers, encouraging them to host their own. If a judge orders bluesky to block content from its servers from other ATproto servers, then we’ve got something interesting, and I think ultimately which doesn’t end up advancing free speech.
Want to be paid to bring your community on to Nostr? UC Boulder is accepting applications for their Open Social Incubator.
This is money and support to #grownostr. This is for people who are non-technical who want to work on onboarding and cultivating a community. Who are your people and how do we get them on Nostr?
“Participants will meet as a full group monthly and receive ongoing, 1:1 project-specific technical support as they seed and grow new communities using open social media tools of their choosing. Participation is fully remote and all sessions will be conducted in English. All participants should commit to making strides toward community-building in open social media by the end of the program. Completion of the full program, from November 2024 to April 2025, will be compensated with a stipend of $3,500 USD.”
The program is open to any open social protocol including but not limited to Nostr.
https://www.colorado.edu/lab/medlab/2024/09/11/open-call-join-open-social-incubator
We’re looking to talk to Nostr users, regardless of which apps you’ve tried, to understand the new user experience and make Nostr better for everyone. Please reach out to @Linda and help us improve the initial onboarding experience.
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Except that Nostr does support delete. 🥸
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https://habla.news/rabble/on-delete
Yes there is no way to enforce delete on centralized or decentralized systems. But most nodes will delete it and everyone can clearly see the post has been retracted.
I’ve got a call with @calle 👁️⚡👁️ to see what options they’ve got. When we figure out a good way to do it that is easy to maintain and easy for users, we’ll add it. But it’s never going to be our focus. ;-D
The next three days is the online fediverse conference the fediforum.
It’s a great unconference talking about everything social media protocol. Nostr is part of the fediverse even if we’re very different from the classic Mastodon. It’d be great to get more folks from Nostr to attend.
https://fediforum.org
We don’t need a Nostr marketing team
We do need a Nostr growth team.
@dk just published a good essay discussing whether Nostr needs a marketing team. I believe the answer is yes—but not marketing in the same way cryptocurrency projects have typically approached it.
https://www.curiousdk.com/p/6885aeab-251e-412b-bbba-1a0b09896558
We don’t need people running around buying ads. While having booths at conferences is beneficial for a community-driven project, I'm skeptical about the value of billboards or sponsoring athletes as ways to promote Nostr. It’s fun, sure, but it mostly reaches people who are already aware of it.
What we really need is a focused initiative to grow Nostr—distinct from the fantastic teams already building Nostr itself. In a typical company, this would be the Growth Team. They’d focus on how people discover and learn about Nostr, the path they take to join, how they choose their app, what their experience is when signing up, whether they find engaging content, and how to ensure they stick around and invite others. This is not to dismiss the great work OpenSats and HRF are doing, but a growth team is something distinct.
Each app can handle some of this, and that's working to an extent. But Nostr is more than just a collection of apps using shared code. It’s a network that becomes more valuable with every new app built on Nostr. For example, when a user joins Primal, it enhances the experience for Amethyst users, but it also becomes much more interesting for someone using YakiHonne or Zap.streams.
So, we need people focused on cultivating the Nostr ecosystem. This isn’t marketing in the traditional sense, like buying ads, but more of a Nostr Community Growth Team. We need people who can work with creators and community founders to help them get started on Nostr. There’s a lot to grasp, and some hand-holding will be necessary.
We also need better internal Nostr news—something like @NostReport but aimed at two different audiences. First, for users, fans, and developers on Nostr: how do you keep track of all the projects and what's happening? There’s so much going on that it’s hard to follow. The second is external: we’re doing tons of incredible stuff, and we should be building excitement about Nostr by showcasing these amazing projects and content to the wider world.
The team at @wedistribute does cover Nostr, which is awesome, but their focus is on multiple social media protocols. Journalists write when they feel there's news to break, and we haven’t been doing a great job feeding stories to them. We can improve on this. One initiative coming out of Nostriga is better coordination on getting Nostr folks on podcasts, especially beyond the Bitcoin bubble where most people have heard of Nostr.
At Nostriga, I talked to a lot of people about how Nostr keeps being framed as an alt-right protocol in the media. That’s simply not true, but we need to work on changing that narrative. Nostr is for everybody, how Nostr is framed does matter. People don’t join a social app because of its functionality, they join because of the other people who are already on the app. Projects like Trustroots.io, Causes.com, and Protest.net will help showcase a different side of Nostr and build new communities beyond our Bitcoin-focused core.
Nostr has already grown in new languages and communities, thanks to creators sharing about it on centralized platforms. We saw this with the Thai community—it’s fantastic. Let’s develop a program to support these creators. We’ve been discussing with @Ainsley how she wants a space to onboard her fans into a community together. There’s a lot of promise in Ditto, which I’m excited about—I’ve set up an instance at social.protest.net. What if we helped each of these creators build their own communities on Nostr? From that initial onboarding, their community would be able to connect across all Nostr apps.
This isn’t exactly traditional marketing—it’s more like cultivating and nurturing a healthy Nostr ecosystem.
If we make it easy for communities to create their own spaces on Nostr, we can grow organically in countless directions. Every new user will feel ownership and be inspired to bring more people along. To achieve that growth, we need to lay the groundwork. We’ve got the apps, but we need to work with the people. After all, we’re building social software, and both the technology and the people are equally important.
You’re not the only one, @PABLOF7z is also nomadic and world schooling his kids. I did that until my kids got to high school and really wanted to settle down.
A worldschooling / nomadic families community on nostr would be awesome.
You can pay nostr.build to host your content and longer videos. There’s also software you can run yourself, but paying nostr.build or another image host is a simple solution. I believe if you post with primal or satellite.earth they’ll use their CDN.
I think micropayments are a useful feature to have in a social media protocol as long as they’re not the central thing. Some protocols like Lens and Farcaster make them much more central and it ends up feeling like a casino.
There’s also some scuttlebutt about if lightning is the best option, I’m not enough in to the details to answer that question, but some combination of ecash/cashu + lightning might make sense. We’ve got to figure it out. There’s an issue where there doesn’t seem to be a lot of options for custodial easy to use lightning wallets that support NWC. Alby does but they’re having struggles with issuing / managing wallets in a way that works for them with compliance. The other option is Strike which works if you’re Primal and can make it a major priority, but isn’t viable for anybody else in the Nostr ecosystem because it’s hard to setup and the cost of running it is well beyond that of most Nostr app projects.
We do show you when you receive zaps if you associate a ln wallet with your profile. We aren’t opposed to more support but it’ll never be our focus. There are tons of great nostr apps for bitcoiners.
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