All content on nostr is put on relays. Your nip-05 can list what relays you use and some relays run bots to crawl the network for kind 0 events which have your relay and profile information.
Relays can use a syncing protocol between themselves.
The traditional nostr model just reads from some set of relays. And you miss things. There are inbox / outbox models where you find what relay a person is using and read from / write to those relays. That’s where nostr is going. Primal and some others like nos use a bot and big caching server. Which is a kind of centralization but hasn’t risked the network the way Bluesky does it because it’s entirely open and you can easily opt out. Inbox / outbox plus caching is probably the best solution for performance and openness.
Yeah it’s the first example of algorithm choice in Nostr that seems to really work well. The pieces were all there but @miljan put it together well with this latest release.
How decentralized is Bluesky really? @Christine Lemmer-Webber has a great essay digging in to it and looking at the design decisions that make Bluesky work but also really hard to decentralize.
Nostr is mentioned several times, we take the mantle of an actual decentralized network by making it work really well. Interestingly Primal is the best Nostr client ecosystem and they’ve also had to introduce centralization to make the experience work well.
If you care about social media protocols and want to get in to some of the details about how then work, then read this essay. We can’t build Nostr effectively if we don’t understand what others are doing.
https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
@jb55 yeah but we still have a bunch of fixes we need to do to a bunch more work so notifications work better, search, versioning profiles and lists, etc…. We’re getting there and can do it. But we do need to do the work.
Well we need to update how we talk about Nostr. @Ben Arc’s redesign of Nostr.com is a great step forward.
We need to be intentional about the narrative we put out about Nostr. Tech gets adopted because of social reasons not just which technology is better.
Recurring payments are an important feature in the sustainable business for saas and content creators. We need it to work with crypto or people will just use credit cards because it makes the economics of their business work.
The one login many apps is the thing that makes peoples light bulb go off. @Linda has talked to hundreds of people about their social media use and nostr in customer development interviews. Her framing is based on what we found works.
Yeah people and client developers can decide if they want to display it. Hell someone can even make a filter to auto mute people with pronouns if you’re offended easily.
The government of New Zealand has made these words illegal to display in public starting today.
Aotearoa Natives
Bandidos MC
Barbarian Stormtrooper
Black Power
Comanchero MC
Crips
Damned Pirates
Devils Henchmen MC
Filthy Few MC
Fitus
Full Blooded Islanders
Greazy Dogs MC
Head Hunters MC
Hells Angels MC
Highway 61 MC
HTOWN07
Killerbeez
King Cobra
Kuki Squad
Magog MC
Mangu Kaha
Mongols MC
Mongrel Mob
New Zealand Nomad
Outcasts MC
Outlaws MC
Rebels MC
Road Knights MC
Satans Slaves MC
Stormtrooper
Taupiri MC
Tribal Huk
Tribesmen MC
Uru Taha
West Side
It took all of 3 minutes from when the law came in to force for the police to stop a motorist and arrest him for having a placard on his car dashboard which said “Mongrel Mob”. I think if gangs are doing things which are crimes which have victims then the people who commit those crimes should be arrested, but this kind thing is a thought crime.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2024/0036/latest/whole.html#LMS939439
apparently the courts have ruled tattoos are exempt so most gang members are getting very visible tattoos. Which of course reinforces their membership in the gang which is the opposite of the government’s intent.
New Zealand is a great place to live. It’s an incredibly fair, transparent, high trust society where most things work really well. Nature is spectacular and the quality of life is some of the best in the world. But it’s not perfect and there are things to make better. It’s also part of the larger world, so trends elsewhere happen here too.
Come visit. Rent a camper van, travel around the country, see for yourself.
New Zealand has a new law that fundamentally goes against the rights of free expression. They’re banning people wearing patches on their clothing or in some cases even posessing symbols if the goverment designates it as ‘gang related’.
https://thespinoff.substack.com/p/will-banning-gang-patches-actually?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=dg42f
If gangs are doing things illegal, then arrest them for the illegal things. The new government policy of making speech illegal is pretty messed up, in this case racist too.
I think if we do a flexible system with free form we should also define in the nip the conventions that a bunch of nostr apps are using in order to make it easier for those who want to support new fields to know the naming.
Like for the ethereum folks is it eth.address or ethaddress or eth_address? @Alex Gleason 🐍 ’s proposed nip should be popular because it’ll allow support for linking to every kind of crypto wallet address. ;-D
The government should not have the unilateral power to shut down legally operating non-profits simply because it disagrees with them. A vibrant, open democracy depends on the freedom for diverse organizations to exist and express different perspectives. The suppression of opposition groups is precisely the kind of action that erodes democratic values, as we’ve seen in countries like Hungary and Turkey, where shutting down dissenting organizations was a key step in dismantling democratic institutions and consolidating authoritarian power. nostr:nevent1qqs2mm5lkjylg57st5m2fvv408ptr5e9ysc9zfk8326kcmavvm8mk3qpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43qygpplt8hdyv0kg7gfsdujdr7pgdt4z9lxsh9xjvs9hctnum7n0nnzqwukmd0
Anybody use a FairPhone and got recommendations for how they use it with Nostr? nostr:nevent1qqsvegm3w5jeepmmqlded6ht2l6z3mkgfk6qd67eunsw3rlggk7hlecpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43qz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7uewwdhkx6tpdsq3gamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7q3qj60x528w2g2vkq5kae5uhh8y7sezjyj20zcsg0v9muc72cmdpu0s08etfd
Bluesky has 10 million monthly active users. It’s still a centralized service with aspirations to be a decentralized protocol, but what they have done is working for a real set of users. They don’t overwhelm or confuse people because the main app feels like something people know and their starter packs really work for people finding their communities of interest and people.
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Nostr supports lists we could build starter pack functionality in to Nostr and nostr clients for onboarding pretty easily. It’s about UX and some tooling.
I find it funny that Americans are very focused on the 13 British colonies that joined the United States of America and nobody ever even acknowledges the 10 others which did not. It feels like a massive blind spot. The only time they’re even obliquely referenced is related to the war of 1812.
Odd given how much obsession Americans have with the country’s founding.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_America#
Sure but the history I learned is how all the colonies decided to united to form the United States but never a mention that almost half the colonies didn’t choose to join.
TikTok is much better if you use it in a country where they haven’t enabled the crazy home shopping network functionality. This is kind of like Amazon where they found a business model that makes so much money they can’t stop as it destroys the central value proposition of their platform.
Trump won’t actually make any real changes to section 230 just like he won’t change or repeal the ACA. Too much of the system depends on the way 230 works now. If you change it so platforms can’t remove or prioritize the content as they see fit then either the platforms become unusable due to spam and scams.
We’re trying to do something really different from Bluesky and that’s ok. We need to define and grow nostr for what it is and get out of the horse race.
I think medium term we should be using the MLS groups that @JeffG is working on but so much of the group flow and ux app experience can be developed with nip-29 relays and then ported over to the better security without server dependency of nip-29 when it’s ready.
We include tools and instructions as part of the @nos.social onboarding. It works. We don’t have people get confused or ask questions about that. We’ve got other things to fix, but that one works. Please copy what we did. Both the nip-05 server and client are open source.
Most people have always settled values, spaces, and vibes based on tribal community not objective evaluation of the underlying choices of the tribe. We’re social animals. The tech is not the most important thing in social software. The people are. So people follow the people they admire.
When I first moved to Argentina in 2000 you could get an amazing dinner with wine and desert for 21 pesos. Today I don’t think there is anything you could get as the currency has been devalued 1200x.
Eventually we’ll have good tools build around what @JeffG is doing with MLS encrypted groups and WhiteNoise.
I think there’s a huge opportunity to get progressives on Nostr because it’s the only social media protocol that can provide real end to end encryption and privacy. Bluesky, threads, the fediverse, farcaster and the others have all given up on the idea of privacy as being too hard.
Everyone on the left is freaking out and searching for freedom tools. And not just posting. I just listed to a round table of digital activists talking about strategies for the next 4 years. They brought up the need for a financial system that can’t be shutdown. From the anti-cop city Black Lives Matter activists in Atlanta to abortion access mutual aid networks, they’re all facing being locked out of the baking system and looking for alternatives. Let’s get them the tools they want and need. The tech is for everyone.
Why? That’s not even how nostr works. The zaps are sent to a wallet you choose in your profile. It’s not even a client thing. That’s kind of the point, nostr app devs don’t need to support zaps for users of those apps to be able to take advantage of zaps.
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