The politics of nostr are voluntaryism and GFY. 

Some folks bring their fiat baggage with them. 

You do what you want 🤝. 

 I’m pretty far out. https://image.nostr.build/070a96d1096413744a0d15fcc20e0580ed63089de2fe1b0baf29031241940844.jpg  

 It's mostly boring libertarians here lol. Where are these right wing people? 👀
 

 Are you from Bluesky? Did you get mass muted for being a liberal, maybe lol? ;)

There's a significant amount of Nostr that is just happy to see posts that aren't just mentioning the price of bitcoin. So you will be welcomed here lol:) 

 So many people mix up libertarians with conservatives I'm tired of correcting it at this point  

 The more extreme libertarian left are some of my favorite people (to observe from a safe distance).  I'll drink their fermented wares sold from their "earth ship" home in the desert any time. 

 The fundementals of this platform merely appeals to the libertarian. For instance I am right of total government control and would be happy with a very small government. I don't appeal to government for all my solutions but I am a socialist and feel that a great role of government would be to do what Abraham Lincoln did and issue credit to fund projects to make our lives better! So am I left or right? No I am on a different scale. There is no left or right. Only good or evil. 

 I love privacy apps but they tend to brin two kinds if people. People who live in opressed countries and can speak freely, and peopke who live. In free countries but are always banned for being rasist or calling for violence. In nostr, opressed people tall their native language and the angry racists speak enlish 

 whats not allowed on nostr? lol bring your 'centre-left' friends or 'not-very-into-politics' friends here and build your community 

 I started using @Rabble ‘s thing which crossposts to Twitter. But I’m more focused on Bluesky to be honest. It’s still locked-open, but (at the moment) it’s just easier for people to signup to, for example with starter packs. 

 Nostr probably has the highest concentration of libertarian-types of any social media out there. A lot of ancaps.

It certainly could use a little more variety, but I'm hopeful. Its hard to find non-bitcoin related content initially, but hashtags are your friend 

 It most certainly is allowed.
Any political view at all is allowed, in fact, who would censor you? 

 I’m pretty lefty myself and what I’m doing with protest.net is a leftist project. I think you’re right the the dominant ideology here on Nostr is right leaning. If that’s the only space which can exist on Nostr then it’s a failure. The protocol needs to be able to exist with many communities who don’t need to agree or even see each other.  

 Exelentes palabras  

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 As I've read more about the history of the internet and digital spaces, I am beginning to think that there's something inherently leftist about the internet. Or at least, the dominant culture of nostr isn't traditional right, it's more of a libertarian right, which creates lots of problems that can only be solved either through top-down structures or grassroots collectivism. Of course the former is not palatable in our current authoritarian political context, and so resorting to traditionally collectivist institutions for taming wild individualism is all that's left. 

 I agree @hodlbod, I see the way we avoid top down centralization in a social space is by creating voluntary bottom up grassroots collectivism.  

 I've always strongly identified as firmly right-wing, but I find myself embracing my inner classical liberal more and more, as I grow in my appreciation of natural law and individual liberty. But "embracing the chaos" creates a vacuum of structure that has to be filled somehow. Authoritarianism naturally fills that vacuum by means of power. I'd much rather be under a right-authoritarian regime than a left-authoritarian regime, but what if avoiding authoritarianism is an option? I'm not sure the bottom-right-hand corner of the political compass can actually exist, because it will always result in a tragedy of the commons, and/or a different kind of authoritarianism (e.g. corporatism). Solving social problems with technology at first seems to lead to technocracy, which is just another kind of authoritarianism that arises out of right-libertarianism. But maybe sufficiently decentralized technologies are a leftist mechanism that moves the center of gravity away from authoritarianism? But of course many past efforts at using technology to fix social problems either collapse into centralization, or have flaws that have to be fixed with social solutions, which only lasts until the ones providing the social capital burn out (cf yesterweb).

You can tell I'm thinking out loud here because I have no paragraph breaks. 

 the way to avoid authoritarianism is to reject idolatry. period. 

 Easier said than done, but yes, that's probably accurate 

 the state is a symbol

and both the catholic and orthodox allow some idolatry... it's notable that the protestant rejects both

the muslim, also, they have idolatry, they worship words... only the protestants come close to actually realising 

 Can you explain your definition of idolatry? 

 Confusing a symbol with the thing itself.

It can also be called a fetish, and Pavlov's bell is an example of making dogs confuse one stimulus with another. 

 Yes, I to love natural law. The phoneticians have showed us eons ago that governance can come from good honest trade. They spread their wares through out the world and invited people to join them. It is really beautiful. 

 I really appreciate your contributions to building nostr @hodlbod because we’ve got really different political views but know that to build nostr we need to make it for many different kinds of people and groups to manage their own affairs. 

 Honest question because my chipmunk brain doesn't compute this: what does "voluntary bottom up grassroots collectivism" mean? I'm guessing you mean people working together open sourcey to build something (nostr) so as to avoid something like ISP run internet or Facebook-like social media? The "collectivism" word is what makes me nervous. 

 I get it. Authoritarians use the term collectivism for a kind of top down control of other people in a way that ends up abusive. What I mean is you’re voluntarily able to choose what collectives you want to participate in as a way of solving problems, organizing work, and resources together. In this case often this is the informal social labor of sustaining an online community like inviting people, welcoming them, setting norms, and in cases where it’s needed moderation. In the case of a fediverse server you end up stuck, they own your content, connections, and identity itself. That’s not voluntary because you can’t leave or fork the community. With subreddits you have a bit more agency but there’s still the issue of the mods being whoever created the subreddit or their self appointed successors. 

With Nostr we can have groups and communities which exist as something more than a network of individuals, a collective as it were, but where participation in the larger network is locked open and permissionless. If you don’t like a group on Nostr you can much more established fork the group, or make your own relay. The awesome thing is users who want can put the same post in both the original and forked group. 

I use the example of the meth users and anti-woke meth users subreddits. 99% of posts are just about using meth, and should easily be able to exist in both places at the same time. But some posts might be about politics and should only be in one or the other. In Nostr we can do that. Plus we can also make encrypted groups for people who want to have some privacy with then do their illegal drug advocacy and mutual aid. 

 what is wrong with politics is that justice is a jurisprudence problem, and the best solution is a market solution of competing judges, just like what was in Jericho for (supposedly) 9000 years

most of the "left" are on about justice, isn't it?

do the "left" have a monopoly on leaderless organisations? i doubt it, i think stalin was pretty far left too, and actually though many designate literal hitler as right, he was very fond of the government regulating things, and what was the purpose?

oh yeah, justice

the left wants justice, the right wants freedom

where is the conflict between these two things unless you invert these two concepts? 

 Funny, I would have said the opposite. The right wants law and justice, the left wants freedom. But it all depends on the definition of those terms, which makes it hard to even talk about. I think a better distinction is that the left is visionary/utopian while the right is stagnant/realistic. Utopianism tests new ideas, but the thesis always collapses as reality modulates it. Leftism is unstable and dangerous if it fails to learn from history, but the progressive impulse is really a valuable thing. Maybe China has it right; they are extremely authoritarian and stable in the mainland, but use Hong Kong as a playground for economic innovation, that they can then import as it proves itself. 

 the separation, caused by the human tendency to want everything to be an eye, or everything to be the heart, instead of understanding the way parts make up the whole body,  creates the camps in which disfunction thrives.
(Apostle Paul paraphrase) 

 yeah, the progressive/conservative side of it is probably the most important

left tends to progressive, and this makes it vulnerable to the erasure of history... i could talk about the problems of the "adding features" side of the engineering form of this mentality

right is more practical, and this is why the modern right is what used to be called left, the liberal, and freedom oriented

there's a lot of moving parts to this but i think fundamentally the thing about modern leftism focuses on equity, which is literally a law concept

and the right focuses on freedom and privacy, and that is somewhat contrary to statism, so i'd say that leftism is also more statist than right

the left right thing is retarded anyway, it's part of the vulnerability of humans to manipulation, we have on one side, reason, and forward time, and on the other, creativity and reverse time

the two things are in constant conflict with each other, inherently 

 Amen 🙏 

 hmmm interesting take and you are probably right.  It might be a bit more nuanced than that.  I'd probably call myself progressive left.  There's a theory that the progressive left died in the 60s with 4 assasinations in 5 years.  80% of people no longer trust their politicians.  I'd say I'm in that group.  And most of nostr is, because most people are.  On top of that there is a push to label many things, including truthful things, as misinformation, if they dont go with establishment narratives.  I think people on nostr appreciate that too.  Unsure if it amounts to right leaning, but DJT is running on a narrative of taking on the establishment.  Of which he's part of course.  So perhaps he gains some sympathy here. 

 I like how the left thinks we are right and the right thinks we are left.
Sir we are not right or left; we are correct.  Get with the program. 

 @jasontheoriginal I’m not sure ‘neither left nor right’ is really a political position you should take without knowing it’s history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#:~:text=Adolf%20Hitler%20and%20other%20proponents,Nazism%20as%20a%20syncretic%20movement. 

 I don't know. I mind my own business and do community stuff when it's worth it but
 I do see a lot of right with very minimal left.  

 Lefty here 👋 

 Why the emoji? I don’t read emoji well 
As an old school emo 🖤 that’s hilarious 

Must find a dictionary for emojis 

Well that didn’t work to find it 😂

POLITICS? That’s a thing here. For sure. 

Some are cliquish AF and they seriously only follow people if they believe that the other 

entity ( as some are #AI , alts , both etc ) 

 going to offer them some sort of benefit. It’s freaking disgusting. 🤢 meaning use #Love #Happiness oh yeah, they’re called hashtags use those if you want to find people that you’re more like-minded with that seems to be the easiest way  

 All types welcome here! Don’t forget that unlike other platforms, it’s up to you to use the mute button liberally and try to find clients that help you curate a strong social graph 

 https://i.nostr.build/aQeRM.jpg there are lefties in here please dont leave 

 I've identified as a libertarian in the past, so I'm socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.  

 there's no such thing as allowed or not allowed. follow, unfollow, and block liberally to curate the feed you want to see. if you get the vibe that you aren't allowed, tell them to go fuck themselves 

 For instance I muted 4 or 5 people in this thread as they revealed themselves to be statists.  I don't have time for that nonsense 

 It’s not about left or right. But about top or down. With Nostr the only way is to the top 🤓🫡 

 Unfortunately, #Nostr is currently an epistemic bubble and an echo chamber of #bitcoin advocates and right-wingers. I'm the opposite of that: politically I'm left-wing and economically I'm skeptical of bitcoin, preferring fiat currency. Moreover, Nostr lacks #LGBT people and communities. 

 Nostr is open for all. You’re welcome to start and popularize any community you’d like. The main point is that no one can stop you here, while on traditional platforms narratives are pushed in a top -to-bottom manner, and if you’re not mainstream, you get shadow banned.

So, back to your point: while Nostr was created and is developed by mostly bitcoiners and people who are convinced that current system is broken, there is space for everyone. 

Bring the lefties and LGBT people, discuss whatever you find interesting, start your relay, grow your community, debate the right-wingers and anarchists.

Open dialogues is how people discover the truths. 

 https://image.nostr.build/3487b1c5f00ae03661cd518d6203f0651a1ca6fb8e3bd59bf48e80e3ac8cce7a.jpg 

 There's no such thing as left and right.  If you identify as either you are dumb.  But anyone can use nostr so there will be dumb people here like everywhere else, unfortunately 

 That is so dumb