Was this during the recent runes mint and high fees? 

 Well... there are many bitcoiners who don't even consider it a currency. 

 You can convert XAU to USD in search engine. Does that work in apple currency conversion calculator? 

 No. There are test mints that let you mint for free but you can do the same in real mints. There is no chain, custodian (trusted third party that issues ecash) decides the rules. 

 NIP 60 is the best way to lose money on nostr.

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 Bitcoiners would subscribe to d/Saylor if someone creates it. 

 I use it for minting tokens created by trusted third parties. 

 Some people are selling me custodial solutions.

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 It's not decentralized and has leaders. 

 It works fine in this part of the world since years. People will get used to it. 

 Looks good. Please add 'privacy' in interests. 

 Need to add a few things. Will share the link by end of this week. 

 Will do for the next release. Still need to improve a few things. 

 Never added a lightning address on nostr. You can donate to joinstr@geyser.fund 

 Joinstr doesn't have a coordinator and peers can run it even on their phones 

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 84 outputs are below 65k sats. There are better ways to increase anonset in a transaction without increasing number of inputs/outputs, belonging to small number of users and some of them being dust.

This method of mixing will become obsolete with joinpools after covenants. 

 Never used Kagi but yet again ecash enthusiasts want people to use custodians when bitcoin payments are accepted.

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 Yes
 https://image.nostr.build/7baff58cacb8bcf7cb411a4ffdcd63f670c2351de360af30f652f63b04c14b10.jpg 

 If you are working on anything related to bitcoin privacy, would you be interested in participating in such event?

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 How about doing an online event in which you can share these ideas? 

I want to organize an online event focused on bitcoin privacy. Since it will be online there is no cost for flights, hotel etc. We could do presentations, workshops, discussions etc. and even anons can participate.

No custodial stuff though. 

 Hackathon could be a part of it but not the whole event. 

 I think I am not using relays correctly. Need suggestions. 

 I use multiple clients but mostly nostrudel, primal and amethyst. 

 You could put an onion address in every torrent file 

 Why would it cost money to import seed phrase? 

 New wallet doesn't necessarily mean new keys. 

 I can shitpost from a new key if it ever gets compromised. What about ecash users? 

 Link: https://docs.joinstr.xyz/overview/comparison-with-other-coinjoin-implementations 

 Riseup VPN and Tor is supported in protocol. So same IP address for all peers in a pool created with VPN.  

 No. Only connection with nostr relays. 

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 Thanks for feedback. I will update it today. 

 Protocol supports Tor as well. It is created for users with different needs and not necessarily a particular cult. 

 1. I do not care what people think about me because the software works without me

2. It has implementations in 3 languages: python, kotlin and rust. Mobile app for android, ios and desktop apps are being used at the moment.

3. It does have sybil resistance using curve trees

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 Join simplex chat for https://joinstr.xyz 

 Yes 

 It works with testnet4  

 Can you join the simplex chat to share error message and more details? 

 Exactly, future does not require shitcoins printed by custodians using blind sigs:

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 So we can assume coordinator can link input-outputs for all the coinjoin transactions that were done before March 2024? 

 https://uncensoredtech.substack.com/p/bring-your-own-algo 

 Could be done without ecash: https://devpost.com/software/el-tor

https://m.primal.net/LbuZ.png  

 https://i.giphy.com/IpXPcJpZZvpW5G9KH2.webp 

 If I run a nostr client and relay on my phone, it will use all the data and overheat in a few hours. 

 2x speedups for proving, 3x speedups for verification and 60%
reduction in proof size is great. I don't understand how does it improve security. 

 e-trash 🗑️  

 Easiest thing would be to allow free access for 2 minutes for every device and they can pay with lightning for more time. 

https://www.boltcard.org/ can also be used for such payments. 

 Maybe ecash enthusiasts need to learn what bitcoin can do even without upgrades: 

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 - Please read the tweet I replied to so that you understand the context of 'upgrades'
- Mints are third parties who custody bitcoin for users that may or may not use LN nodes. I have experimented enough and running a mint: https://thismoneydoesnotexist.lol
- It is possible with LN  

 > You can also use e-cash non custodially if you run your own mint

Running your own mint, using it to mint ecash for yourself does not improve privacy. You might as well run LN node instead and use LN with self custody.

Recipient needs to be online for redeeming e-cash if its issues by untrusted mint.

>  though I want to have e-cash if I must use a custodian

Why do you need a custodian in the first place? Whole point of creating bitcoin was to create e-cash with no trusted third parties. You can read old discussions on mailing lists, whitepaper and initial website.

> Users of lightning can benefit from the liquidity without using custodians themselves

AFAIK e-cash is used for small amount. Lightning already gets enough liquidity from boltz swaps, centralized exchanges etc. Ark and Mercury could provide more liquidity in the future without involving trusted third parties. 

 Yes I was responding to someone on twitter at the same time so wrote "tweet" instead of post. It is possible and shared multiple times in this thread DYOR. 

 If politicians loved freedom, the world would be a better place. 

 https://geyser.fund/project/octojoin