I wholeheartedly agree with everything here. Another issue I foresee with topic-specific relays is one of the problems Mastodon has, confusion about what to do and where to go. Not to mention, given how nostr works, there would be a LOT of unintentional cross-topic-relay posting that theoretically would result in bans and a bad experience for the end user.  Moderators should only step in when there is something that violates the law in the jurisdiction where the relay is based.

Big relays are only a problem insofar as big relays get all the new users, and as smaller relays die off it centralizes power and authority, which runs counter to what nostr stands for. Even if it's unintended.

Paid relays on the other hand? No clue. Never subscribed to one, nor have I seen people say if they provide better content or not. 

 If a client uses nostr.band for its searches then no. Sadly nostr.band indexes mostr.pub which poisons any attempt to search. If it doesn't then searches are probably based only on what relays you are using. Beyond that, I have no clue. 

 All I really want is a filter that effectively says "if NIP-05=*@mostr.pub then hide post". Though from the sounds of it, that is unrealistic. 

 It's not on my relay list. At least it shouldn't be. 

 Agreed. 

 There were three major themes that I personally saw:

1. "The onboarding sucks because I don't understand what most of this nonsense means." This comes down to, at least in my opinion, those with some sort of background in Bitcoin making stuff for those that most likely have some sort of background in Bitcoin.

2. "I see crypto bullshit so I'm noping the fuck out and not wasting my time." Saw that coming from lightyears away. A problem I've mentioned multiple times.

3.  "A lack of service-side moderation means this is going to turn into an illegal mess, if it hasn't already." This, to me, comes down to a mix of genuine concern plus political beliefs plus not understanding how to curate one's own content intake. 

 1.  It's not necessarily projecting. If tech-savvy people are having issues figuring things like nsec out, it can be fairly safe to assume that the average person will also have problems figuring it out.

2. It's not just the diversity in content, or rather the lack thereof, that people are not a fan of. It's that all of the most popular clients have bitcoin baked in. I've said it once and I'll say it again: A large number of people see "Bitcoin=crypto=scam" and will nope the fuck out when they catch ANY whiff of Bitcoin. Education/onboarding/UX is all fine and dandy, but until there are some client developers and relay operators who are willing to divorce Bitcoin from what they are offering, there is a good chance that The NOSTR can and will ultimately flounder.

3. It doesn't matter how bad "Big Tech" fails. If the outsider's perception is that The NOSTR happily allows content from "nazi pedophiles" without repercussion and no hope for better moderation, then people will nope the fuck out without giving it a chance. Doesn't matter if that actual type of content is being posted or if it's just one's own biases coloring their perception of what's being posted. 

 I think that some of that comes down to the fact nostr was conceived and is mainly being developed by people from the bitcoin community. And as a result, the largest group of people on nostr are bitcoiners. Doesn't help that many "normies" think that bitcoin=scam, so when those same "normies" join nostr some of the first things they see are about bitcoin so they nope the fuck out. It ends up being a chicken-and-egg problem caused by the fox having a field day in the henhouse. I think that if bitcoin haters can be convinced to not just join, but ignore bitcoin content altogether, we can get the diversification of content people want. 

 Instant as well. 

 It was instant. 

 In a vacuum and on the surface the convenience is fascinating, but it's everything it's connected to that scares the absolute hell out of me.  

 I think it checks wss://relays.nos.social for cross-posting. 

 I can see it. I'm currently on nostrudel. 

 An hour's delay isn't excellent. However, it could be due to a multitude of reasons. 

 That sucks. 

 Makes you wonder how many other such inconsistencies there are across the most popular clients. 

 A lack of standardization across a given type of client causing wildly different implementations of a given feature in one client to be unable to be loaded in another client. This leads to the loss of interoperability and ultimately causes enough frustration for devs and users to abandon nostr outright at worst, or completely fracture userbase based on the client of choice. 

 It is technically only for brand new users in two countries. BUT, it will most likely expand to more coutnries first, then EXISTING users in those countries. 

 Absolutely! I wouldn't be surprised at all if other social media platforms are working on something similar. 

 I really like snort too. Though the two main problems I have with it are the overall design being too mobile-friendly on desktop, ie. there's too much wasted space in my opinion, and global not being based on connected relays. 

 Would be interested in hearing your reasons as to why. 

 Sounds like a more robust and standardizing NIP is needed to either rebuild and improve zaps or a completely different method to achieve the same basic feature. 

 Great to finally have SimpleX desktop proper on Windows!


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 Or any other client for that matter. Outside of Gossip of course. 

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 Thanks! 

 Depending on what client you use, that isn't as much of an issue because they do have a recommended follows list. 

 Chicken and egg, yes, but some of the other issues amplify that issue. 

 Yep, less focusing on the "Next Big Thing" and more refinement of what's already there. That and more standardization cross clients. 

 Though is does force me to have a bit of a better understanding of what each NIP is supposed to do. 

 That's not bad idea. Just a matter of figuring out what what NIPs should be on that list. 

 Problem is that I've seen on at least one occasion that when people suggest that there are perhaps too many clients and that people focus on a couple, they got shouted down. 

 If you're around for long enough you'll notice that most of the recommended follows are vocal bitcoiners and as a result a lot of the conversations surround bitcoin and to an extent nostr itself. 

 That's a result of the chicken and egg paradox. People aren't joining because most content is centered around bitcoin thus no diversity, and content isn't moving away from bitcoin and becoming more diverse because people aren't joining. 

 The idea of it having to be every dev for themselves when it comes to developing clients. Why have 50 devs working on 50 different good, but not really great, clients, when they should be grouping up and focusing on 2-3 bigger and more robust clients. To me, this would create a standard of what NIPs Twitter alternatives should be implementing by default. Then again I'm not a developer so keep my ignorance in mind.

That also leads to this feeling of not really knowing what the hell nostr is supposed to be. I use it exclusively as a Twitter/X alternative. That's what people fleeing X most likely want. But we have 50 devs working on 50 good but not great clients that fill 50 wildly different roles. That's going to confuse the hell out of the normies. My peanut gallery take is devs should focus on establishing a large userbase for the microblogging apps, then figure out what roles nostr tackles next. 

 I did it... 30 days, 30 posts. Saw very little traction, though that was kind of expected. I think #nostr  is taking steps to be the right solution, but it is still very young and as a result, it could still die in the cradle. Don't be afraid to build out but NEVER neglect what is already here.


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