Oddbean new post about login | logout I think Nostr needs more users, not more microblogging features.
And less bots and AIs tbh.
Agreed. Seems like Elon over at X is NOSTR’s best advertiser right now
You build it, and they will cum
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its going to be hard.
So hard
More users and it has to run more smoothly.
In due time. Kind ser
Onboarding is a nightmare rn... inspite the welcome committee, we loose new users because of this 😢
Exactly
The CEO hath spoken 🫡
Maybe this is what kills nostr. Everyone knows they benefit from everyone else's marketing efforts, so no one invests in marketing.
We have money. How do we buy users with money?
you can’t. you have to attract a group of people that will be hard to attract. plus not a lot of people like them… gen z
make it harder to join. https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/10/02/order-popularize-potatoes-france-parmentier-placed-armed-guards-potatoes-fields-instructed-guards-accept-bribes-let-people-steal-potatoes/
nooooo don't
I don't think this potato story is a success story because it's harder. I believe it's more because of excitement. Stealing / bribing / doing illegal stuff is wrong but can be exciting
Well, for 5,000$ a month you can pull down 1,000,000 Twitter posts. That's 33,000 posts a day , about 1/3 the daily posts nostr has now (according to nostr.band 80k). So you pull these down, create keys for em, and setup some grouchy AI bots to reply sporadically to anyone that replies to the mirrored posts. So, for 15,000$/mo you could double the amount of daily nostr posts with all kinds of content that would diversify the topics significantly. Anyway, that's what other platforms do to bootstrap, they make fake content and/or pull it from an existing platform to seem like there's lots of users until the bootstrapping phase is complete.
I would rather see a $15,000/mo airdrop to all Nostriches with a valid NIP-05.
Buying people with money has become easier then anytime before in history.... INFLUENCERS 😆 + People are set in stone with the username and password mentality. Maybe long nSec string scares them away 🤷. Giving people one click login will absolutely give them a better experience but it will still require initial set up I guess. + More local nostr meetups and not just one big unconference far far away every few months. Local gatherings might make a big impact.
Perhaps it will be bitcoin that front runs Nostr. When number goes up more people flock to bitcoin, and when they join that community then they reach for freedom in other areas like Nostr. Not to mention a large part of the existing bitcoin community will point them that direction as they come in.
Short: Zapertising Long: I used to work in digital marketing and growth as both a marketer and a programmer. The user acquisition cost is very high for traditional centralized platform/website/softwares. In one of my job, a paid user cost us 3000 USD to get. Meaning, if this person don't spend 3000+, the company lost money. That's why many Silicon Valley style companies lose more money with more users before they reach monopoly and they have to squeeze money back from users at that point. Because we separate the cost of client development, relay development and relay operation, it will be much cheaper to do digital marketing here. For example, I can develop a advertisement platform on top of Nostr without paying the whole cost of the network, therefore I can charge clients (sellers of goods) much less and/or give ad watcher cash back from sellers' advertisement budget. Now we have achived an impossible triangle in fiat world: 1. Lower cost for advertiser (ad distributor) 2. Lower cost for sellers 3. Get money to watch ads instead of pay money to block ads. I believe this is a great way to get more users and I am actually working on getting some VCs interested in this plan. If we can use VC money to grow Nostr, it believe it's a net win.
I love that we're talking about growth hacking a protocol
As much as I dislike the growth hacking originated from Facebook, it's indeed effective.
Ugh. Fine. I'll submit a request marketing plan and attempt to travel all over to various events and conferences promoting Nostr.
That’s the #damus marketing plan 😂💜 we will gladly accept funding and folks to join us :)
I'm not a Damus user 🥹
Ya but you’re part of our marketing plan regardless Derek lol. It’s about growing #nostr and #damus 😍 you’re one of our best ambassadors without using the app and that’s what makes this place so amazing!
I had a short meeting today about speaking at Bitcoin Atlantis. I'd love to go to promote Nostr. However, I can't afford to go unless travel and accomodations are paid. Derek Ross isn't a household name in the Bitcoin community, so I won't be getting my expenses paid unless something changes with their funding. Maybe I should actually do this? Make a small marketing plan and submit a request to @fiatjaf or @OpenSats to pay for these expenses. I don't have a marketing title by trade, but back when I was a business owner for the better part of a decade, I loved wearing the marketing hat and advertising hat. I have sales and marketing in my blood. I grew up with it. I'm a natural communicator, even though I'm also a tech nerd 🤓😂. I used to speak all of the time. Since I don't technically do this for a living, I don't know if I should? Thoughts? Dumb? Not a good use of donated funds?
how much do we need to raise?
A rough estimate puts it around $1500. Economy flight. Cheap hotel.
Let's get Derek funded.
Diversity of content is lacking at the moment. (Or maybe there is no depth to the diversity.) Users joined and get bored with seeing the same topics and memes dominate the feed. And they leave.
I suggest some budget is directed toward incentivising people to consistently post short-form / micro-blog good content that is not cryptocurrency focused. (I am not against cryptocurrency, but it is still a niche topic.) Do this until we have a level of critical mass for diverse content.
How do we know when we reach the critical mass? Maybe set a target for number of MAUs that you want to reach? Personally, I prefer not to have a certain target, but to set a time limit on the incentivisation and measure the impact. MAUs before vs MAUs after. Then adapt the incentivisation and repeat. {MAU: monthly active users}
The impact of this approach will take time to show sustainable result, but this might be one of the flywheels that can sustain growth. From HubSpot: "With the flywheel, you use the momentum of your happy customers to drive referrals and repeat sales. Basically, your business keeps spinning."
And maybe slow down adding more and more to the protocol? Let all nostr clients and relays to be on par with each other on most of the NIP implementations. Big parities in NIP implementations affect user experience noticeably. {NIP: nostr implementation possibilities}
Another bonus is that when the apps are mostly at parity with regard to NIPs, they can invest their development energy on improving their apps user experience. Better user experience feeds back into the flywheel above. Second that. Like, I get why people are excited about #Bitcoin & shit, but come on. Recently, I actually visited #Nostr less because anyone worth any popularity shit on #Nostr is some #Bitcoin freak talking about #Bitcoin 24/7, as if you could eat, drink & use it as a toy. It'a really difficult to find people, who do not speak about #Bitcoin literally the entire day & don't even know what time it is, because they count everything in block time...
Create merchandise, which looks weird, but in a "cool" way. Limit its supply to a very low amount for no reason. Make it super expensive for no reason. This is the perfect recipe for making a brand, that seems so exclusive & "cool" that people want to join it. This is based on the idea around how sneaker & other clothing brands are doing it. It's also similar to NFTs. Create some shit, make it weirdly limited & exaggeratingly expensive & suddenly its artifical as well as senseless exclusivity draws people in.
$5. PayPal did it and Coinbase did it. That's 17k sats.
6000 users per btc.
Those were KYCd users to reduce abuse. Keeping KYC out of the equation means limited zapping or some proof of work. We could send satograms giving everyone with a lud16 lightning address identity set in their profile sats periodically.
We could pay for them to delete accounts! Proof of Exodus.
You don’t. You buy them with your heart and soul.
Shit ! I wanted to write “you gaine them”, my synapses need some rest.
I agree 💯% i hve been working/creating/helping some projects like Amethyst & yana nostr clients with my design, and, i have recived just a few zaps, nothing compare with my normal clients that pay my bils on fiat, so, i just do it for pleasur and to help. So, i trust in the future, and i know with some MKT campaighs all nostr projects can Benefict. Hope like some people Invest in good projects like this One
Engagement has been better lately, but I still think that should be the focus, because it’s something we can each be better about. nostr:nevent1qqszwzkh3eu29lejdhkhmwz8algj4rfv2gg4dk2prt588dh88v72fwgpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuum5dahx2u3wvdhk647te6y
Is the lack of interesting content for people who are not interested about bitcoin still a reason people give for not sticking around?
So many nostr users are developers. This is good but in the short term it’s also very messy. New users will come at a rate that looks disappointing but if massive waves did, it’d be even more disappointing.
start an advertising campaign on facebook, twitter, etc.
I am still thinking new people who arrive are not shown how great Nostr is, and they just get frustrated and leave.
Every Nostr client should have an on-boarding process that ends with check out these other great Nostr apps and services and link to Nostrapps.com or use the NIP for recommendations.
Yes, indeed. And I like to follow them also. As they likely have none or only one or two. (I can always unfollow them later if I dont like them) but at least they can see who I interact with and who the other active Nostriches are..that helps a ton.
Im working on onboarding the local winos man ...
The question ultimately is "How the fuck do I get people to care about freedom when the dish du jour is apathy" ... Our battle is a spiritual one mo chara...
This cunt cares enough about Nostr to criticise it anf not stroke its knob. nostr:nevent1qqszwzkh3eu29lejdhkhmwz8algj4rfv2gg4dk2prt588dh88v72fwgpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ex2mrp0yh8jet8dpex7tnnd96x2tczyqalp33lewf5vdq847t6te0wvnags0gs0mu72kz8938tn24wlfze6qcyqqqqqqg7qvuqe
I find the Communities function quite hopeful. There's a community called Exploding Heads which seem to have migrated here maybe. No idea what their story is really. But they seem p active. Saw them mentioned in the post below. Hopefully the communities feature is featured and more prominently on clients and improved, some clients don't even have it atm even. Hopefully more posses and niche groups turn up:) nostr:nevent1qqs2yns6udske5quw9725kuuq2gttupsglkllryhgwylyvjfp8rxqtgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygy9ja25clw78aph5mzegwr7ad290r8yf3fnycgrult65h0hjphjtgpsgqqqqqqscqdg8r
You are right, @jb55.
True. Where do we find them?
If you build it, they will come. nostr:nevent1qqszwzkh3eu29lejdhkhmwz8algj4rfv2gg4dk2prt588dh88v72fwgppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8grqsqqqqqp6zxg94
Maybe I’m one of a few who checks the website before downloading an app. It’s only Damus’ site with an appealing look to newcomers, ie Iris and Nostur look like study projects… For sure this quick summary does not give a complete overview as I might have missed another great landing page… Another “issue”: the majority of search results for Nostr lead to GitHub - this doesn’t attract mainstream… It’s not what Nostr offers, but how it is presented. https://i.nostrimg.com/aaa395dc8981ebd902a39c5100cb487d91293cdab5f81b9c4d3342603882b8b0/file.jpeg
Guys... It's fine. Let it grow organically. Don't rush to get more people just for the sake of saying there are more people. Quality over quantity is best. People are and will continue to discover it. One day you'll wish you could come back to this moment. Just keep building. These things take time. Nostr is great!
Yes, the tshirt tribes will eventually arrive to fight with the pillow tribes. And the process will start anew
More people normally means worse content. Do we really want nostr mainstream? Or keep it for techy people?
This is a problem that needs a proper solution. An obvious one would be to build in various effective methods of content filtering & querying. Then everyone can join. That said, already at this moment there is too much shit content on #Nostr. For example, tons of nude shit, shitcoin scams, advertisements, other scams, etc... It's already tough to avoid this with this tiny user base, as of now.
make a micro app that just has news
Been in the back of my mind, regarding other things, but the news could use a revitalization locally. If the platform were to attract local muck rakers building communities here, larger networks would have to start to pay attention if for nothing else the competition. But this to would have to be organic to, maybe just the chat section of a new local new org.
All those decentralized evangelist have to make that money on twitter. SMH.
The biggest problem I see right now is the first use experience. The first 15 minutes you use a product determines whether you continue using it or likely drop it forever. When you just start #Nostr & you wanna see anything, all Relays have to be queried first, etc. At first, everything is empty. Happens as well, when you delete the cache of the #Nostr app you use. People are so used to instant access, it's probably a pretty big blocker to wait for Relays to finish loading the feed, especially in Global, basically like viewing an image in Internet Explorer during 2003.
Could you help mange expectations by a pop up message that says "please hold while we're connecting relays and syncing data.... after that you can connect a wallet, make a post with #??? whatever... and start making friends....". Something to pass the time and educate the user as to what's going on.
We need more plebs with more bars #nostrcypher
I think our biggest need is for spaces where cultures other than the Bitcoin-maximalist one can exist. I think the curated communities are a good start but the fact that notes posted to them also show up on your micro-blog’s feed breaks the immersion.
false dichotomy - it can have both
why not both?
More and different content!
I believe nostr is doing more than fine.. these things take time and new users will only come when more infrastructure is added to suit their needs or when most of their network is already in. most people don't understand the need for nostr, they see it as just another platform and they see no benefit in it whatsoever, only those more involved care and understand the need and benefits it brings. we haven't even met all the early adopters needs, to cater for the rest is still a bit far down the line..
Amongst other factors this depends on the diversity of posts' topics. So not just Bitcoin...
YES nostr:nevent1qqszwzkh3eu29lejdhkhmwz8algj4rfv2gg4dk2prt588dh88v72fwgpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet5qyv8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgunpw35jucm0d5q3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnyqyf8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytn6vfjzuem8qyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2qgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcqg3waehxw309ahx7um5wghxcafwddjsz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpzdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ukzcnvv5hx7un86k452n
don't forget two-factor auth. must have or it isn't secure 😁
Even better, there is no reason whatsoever that the key could not be uploaded to the user’s cloud, tied to their phone. Even SimpleX does this. Encrypt the key, store it in iCloud or Google Drive. Makes restoring easy in case of a fuck up, but doesn’t put all the keys in one place. The social company isn’t the custodian. In my iCloud account fully encrypted is not nearly as offensive as in their database. And it’s not a wonky flow. Lots of apps store stuff in your cloud.
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Any clue or document on how to make them?
I would start with Github and go from there.
We can scan our eyeballs? 😝
More veelogs
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You can fix it by using Rumble instead of Youtube
Welcome 😃
Juvenile in the mind not age*
In this case, just not the effect he's after.
Arabic verses gone wrong?!
Arabic verses gone wrong?!
Nostr being mostly Bitcoin does not help that either...
Sorry, notifications are still shit ;) You're right for sure. I'm on a comfy European fibre connection righ now, so everything is butter-smooth. But even on a shitty 3G connection, it should be possible to request / download a few KB in 1-2 seconds (even with a ping of 500ms). So unless you government is restricting access, either your client doesn't have enough, or good enough servers, or there's another issue in the client - caching or whatever.
