Missing someone you hate and detest is a really weird feeling. Needless optimism at a retrospective is a hell of a thing. #feelngs #showerthoughts


I have a question for those knowledgeable about the more technical side of #bitcoin. Let's say 100 people are creating 100 simple, basic, person-to-person transactions. Is it possible for those transactions to be combined in transit? And if so, would the resulting transaction be more space-efficient than those 100 individual transactions? #asknostr #askbitcoin


Micro payments may ultimately be the way forward, but until Bitcoin can handle such small payments on-chain, it's gonna be a pipe dream.


Testing to see if gosip can write to my locally hosted relay.


Downloaded and compiled a test versin of nostr:npub189j8y280mhezlp98ecmdzydn0r8970g4hpqpx3u9tcztynywfczqqr3tg8 to check out some of the features that nostr:npub1acg6thl5psv62405rljzkj8spesceyfz2c32udakc2ak0dmvfeyse9p35c has been working on. The inclusion of a global feed is a huge step forward. The ability to set what relay(s) constitute your global feed and the possibility of better curation tools will turn this feature into an absolute powerhouse. Add in hashtag support so we can see what people are congregating around, and DVM support things like custom trending algos and generally better discoverability, will make Gossip one of if not the best desktop nostr client. It's really looking like it will represent what I understand nostr is and what it should look like.


There's always a weird feeling when the final chapter of a #manga series you've been reading for years comes out. Even though there's "The End" on the last page, it's always the force of habbit the makes you look forward to the next chapter, even though there is no next chapter. It's even more profound when it's a monthly series, because breaking that habitual expectation takes longer. Thank you #TwinStarExorcists for the fun ride.


I supose that is the long and short of it.


I don't use lightning because I think it tries to solve a problem that doesn't exist.


Address added to profile.


teldon

Just some random person on the internet.

If you're crazy enough to enjoy my ramblings and want to send me bitcoin you can send to this bitcoin address: bc1q3japeafml5t7nnaag6hm4trasgdmhmrzyzh87z


Another thing, #bitcoiners need to have a LOT more trust in #bitcoin as a technology. You are transacting in good faith and not setting the transaction fee so low the transaction never gets mined. There's no need to wait around for conformations outside the initial funding of your wallet, refilling your wallet when you fall below acceptable minimums, and transactions dealing with large amounts of bitcoin. I would not be surprised at all if most poeple have enough money in their bitcoin wallet that they don't need to worry about unconfirmed transactions. Seriously, how man people have been in a situation where they've HAD to wait for an incoming transaction to confirm because they NEEDED to make an outgoing transaction? Think about it for a moment.


I think most #bitcoin people forget that most traditional forms of payment outside cash have massive lag times between when a transaction is "authorized" and the money actually being payed out by the relevant institution. Hours and sometimes even days. Bitcoin on the other hand is lightning fast in comparison at as little as 10 minutes between a transaction being sent to the mempool (authorized) and that transaction being in a mined block (payed out).


I don't deal in lighting. On-chain only.


This is how NIP-05 is supposed to work. At least that's how I've always understood how it works and what it's suppose to represent. It supposed to be a domain you either directly control or directly represent. None of this twitter-handle-esque nonsense. That's what display names are for. That and verifying the npub.


I've said it once but I'll say it again, the arrogance of inevitability forgets the only inevitable thing in life is death. Seems to be a truth that #nostr has forgotten.


There, my pfp has been updated.


Crushed under it's own weight trying to become an everything app. I'm
probably one of the few people who think nostr should have never grown
beyond a Twitter alternative. There are already protocols that exist for
 a lot of added usecases that have been added. I don't think I'll ever
enderstand the obsession with trying to add every feature under the sun
to nostr.


現時点では、このプラットフォームに誰かを招待することはお勧めしない。このプラットフォームは、自分がどうありたいのかわからなくなっている。


In the context of #bitcoin #nostr, I've come to really dislike the phrase "we're so early". It comes off as buzzwordy to me, especially when one of those projects has been around for over a decade.


I really dislike the idea of nostr trying to become the everything app because it feels like instead of just reinventing the wheel, devs are trying to reinvent the whole damn car and I think that is just unnecessary. I think if we strip nostr down to what its original purpose was supposed to be, a Twitter alternative, It worked perfectly fine. Relays were relatively simple to deploy, and clients only needed to do so much. But now we have people wanting nostr to do everything, and things aren't as simple. People are gonna say, "Well clients don't have to implement everything." That may be true on paper, but in practice, the majority effectively dictates what's required. Videos, torrents, streams, a reddit alternative, etc. don't belong on nostr in my opinion. Those should be spun off into independent projects. Things like relay-specific notes end up siloing discussion topics and ultimately make them no better than fediverse instances. I'm not a developer, nor am I a software engineer, but it looks to me that nostr has failed to be simple. But I'm just a single, imperfect, person. — This is a comment on: https://yakihonne.com/article/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzp978pfzrv6n9xhq5tvenl9e74pklmskh4xw6vxxyp3j8qkke3cezqyw8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytfsxyh8jcttd95x7mnwv5hxxmmdqyw8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytfsxgh8jcttd95x7mnwv5hxxmmdqy08wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytfsxvhxgmmjv9nxzcm5dae8jtn0wfnsz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcpremhxue69uhkummnw3ez6vpj9ejx7unpveskxar0wfujummjvuqq6vfhxy6nqvf3x5mrgvf5xqwa25vr


Bots aren't my concern, as you're never going to get rid of them. What I'm after is being able to block any and all mostr bridges. I can't tell you how many times I've searched hashtag x and only get overwhelmed with results from the fediverse via the mostr bridge. I don't care what the fediverse thinks because I'm searching on nostr, and if I did want to know I'd just search Mastodon.


Being able to block whole nostr address domains would make search so much more useable! Would allow me to block all the bridges and actually be able to search nostr and nostr only!


Take a look at this #coinjoin transaction and tell me what you see. #asknostr I bet most of you see privacy. But me? I see #bitcoin scaling.  How? More efficient transactions mean more transactions per block, and mean more throughput. Couple that with Bitcoiners actually having a little faith and trust in Bitcoin as a technology meaning people feel comfortable doing conformation-less transacting in the real world and Bitcoin is off to the moon.

https://mempool.space/tx/43e18aacf17a821cc68c754ca73ff957baf67a42e2eafefd8ea75fb0aca09820


Most #bitcoin enthusiasts forget that any traditional transactions outside of cash are not as instant as they believe! They take hours and sometimes days to actually settle! When you write a check or use your credit card the entity you are paying isn't getting their money instantly. Why is Bitcoin treated differently? Why is it considered slow when it only takes as little as 10 minutes for payments to be settled?


The way I see it, a #bitcoin transaction in the mempool is good enough as payment for most goods and services.


Also, I think there is too much emphasis on the "number of transactions per second" #bitcoin can do. Every form of payment has a period of time in a transaction in which a party is missing funds until said transaction settles. The reason credit cards seem to be able to handle a high number of transactions per second is because a third party aka the credit card company, is the one missing funds in the transaction and not either of the transacting parties. If we are putting enough trust in other forms of payments that these vacuums of funds can exist, why can't we put that same level of trust into Bitcoin and transact without confirmation? Well, at least when it comes to transacting for goods and services.


Native multi-party-in and multi-party-out transactions scale #bitcoin so hard!


I think what happened is I changed some settings some time ago and completely forgot I made those changes.


That's exactly what it was.


For some reason, noStrudel on firefox isn't detecting nostr-relay-tray so I can't select it for the cashing relay.


Interesting concept for a nostr client that's for sure.


I really, really like nostr:npub189j8y280mhezlp98ecmdzydn0r8970g4hpqpx3u9tcztynywfczqqr3tg8, but there are one main thing that's really stopping me from switching to it and that is the lack of a global feed. And it really isn't because I want to actually view a global feed but it's nice to be able to search that firehose and not just follows. Useful for when I want to see what nostr as a "whole" are saying about a given keyword or hashtag. Any chance you might add a global feed @npub1acg6thl5psv62405rljzkj8spesceyfz2c32udakc2ak0dmvfeyse9p35c?


Deleting person list


Still testing, for better or worse.


still testing


Let's try it now


testing


It's a damn shame too.


Let's try this again


nope...


Giving the #nostr relay tray by nostr:npub1syjmjy0dp62dhccq3g97fr87tngvpvzey08llyt6ul58m2zqpzps9wf6wl a try. Hopefully this write test works.


Any requirement for relays and/or clients to moderate posts and content beyond the minimum of what is required by their local jurisdiction means nostr as a whole has failed.


Yes, yes, and YES! "Nostr bros" want nostr to be the end-all, be-all of everything ever. And because of that the scope bloat is unreal.


I have no clue, I have no other example of what I'm assuming is identity deniability to use as a frame of reference.


I am going to make a very bold prediction. #bitcoin will be abandoned and forgotten long before the final coin is mined.


https://image.nostr.build/d4479b36607895317fd2a96a84208ede84bb34b349c2729403ccc827658411ae.jpg So I came across this little beauty! No clue it even existed. #freedom #freespeech


I saw nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn post about an SSB dev leaving and I ended up going down a rabbit hole I wasn't expecting to go down. First, I remembered SSB exists and that I have a presence there, albeit a dormant one. After scrolling down my short timeline someone I apparently follow had posted about how they came across and really liked the Gemini protocol. I vaguely remember looking into the protocol years ago, but decided to give it another brief look. I can understand why people might like it, and I can see why it won't be widely adopted. Watching a video about Gemini from "May Contain Hackers 2022", the presenter mentioned something called the tildeverse. From what I can gather the tildeverse is based on tildes which are small social communities that gather around public access *nix servers. Something I don't think I would get into, but something that exists. And It made me realize that people are building social communities around social tech that you nor I have ever heard of and may never hear of.


And no one paid that lightning invoice. I am not surprised in the slightest.


Let's see if anyone is willing to pay this random #lightning invoice.

lnbc400u1pnzvlqfpp5j0h4ks0tt0e4msdtejwd6w0leumgssg3em55yylj870nyzjr8kxsdzgt9hh2grpwfjjqcmjv9a8jgrfvcs8jmm4ypcxz7fqw35xjueqwfskuer0d5sxjmnkda5kxefwcqzzsxqyz5vqsp5mkkwp0lfha422knxusmnw8eqywmdy69faavra5v877jxfnt6h2hs9qyyssqp3p0kpjwfd02sfz9kh24kudvpcta4g7klj2y0670jx5qyqx32yxpc8gttjm9rvdvnekfpcqhlumz0w6csxzd3v5v7g05z07m9e32r6sqa4d7pc


Ok, thanks for the answer.


Hang on! nostr:npub1ye5ptcxfyyxl5vjvdjar2ua3f0hynkjzpx552mu5snj3qmx5pzjscpknpr does nostrudel use ipfs at all? Just installed the ipfs desktop node and the firefox extension, and when I reloaded nostrudel it was coming through my local gateway.


I love that feeling when I can only remember a 2 or 3 second clip of a #song and am still able to find it with very little searching! #music


Looking at some of the new noStrudel features and I gotta say, associating a color to an identity based on npub is something I would have never thought of. Also like the way it now shows zaps, likes, reposts, etc. I like what I see nostr:npub1ye5ptcxfyyxl5vjvdjar2ua3f0hynkjzpx552mu5snj3qmx5pzjscpknpr


And the transaction in question if you want to verify yourself. 7923e59abd8f8ab40dcc7915ae864d8b7ad6776811ba4d478f42248a7827a7f3


You should have seen some of the fees people were willing to pay to be in the halving block. Someone literally paid a 99,000,000 sat fee for a transaction that totaled less than 100,000 sats.


Interesting, according to mempool.space the fee for the halving block was roughly 200 sats/vbyte whereas the previous halving was only roughly 90 sats/vbyte. Goes to show how much #bitcoin has exploded in the last 4 years.


So a #bitcoin halving is apparently happening soon. Neat.


Had a random realization. It's actually kind of nice not having a lot of #followers on any platform. Because sometimes you want to say some crazy shit out in the open and not have anyone notice.


Wtf is this censored nonsense‽ I'm just asking for a simple translation! If #nostr is meant to be unstoppable, then simple #translations like this can not be censored. PERIOD!

https://image.nostr.build/9a5b68ce2ea62d5ccd77565c179057106f938044e23301a5abe267ef2c6cd463.png


It's not so much that is "the best", it's just what I've used the longest and I'm too lazy to switch.


I only use noStrudel. It does the one thing I want to get out of nostr and that is a Twitter alternative.


Sadly I am broke and have more important things I need money for.


Well, it's not the end of the world for me. At least not yet.


Fun fact: I own no on-chain #bitcoin and only have 3,433 sats in #lightning


I've heard that too. Though from my understanding part of that is thanks to geo-locked relays.


I'm not overly technically minded but from the way you put point one, it sounds like nostr has a really nasty drug addiction, metaphorically speaking.

And point two is something I've been banging my drum hard about for so long. It's refreshing to hear a bigger name finally saying what many refuse to believe. When there are so many features married to Bitcoin and, as you correctly put it, most people are anti-bitcoin, you drive those people away—closing nearly all avenues of growth. And when that happens and nostr becomes nothing just another failed social network experiment, it won't be around when the world actually needs/wants it.

And for all the "Bitcoin/Nostr is inevitable" people in the comments: The arrogance of inevitability forgets the only inevitable thing in life is death.


I would highly recommend World's Greatest Con by Brian Brushwood. Season one covers Operation Mincemeat, Season two covers 60's gameshow cheating scandals, Season three covers Project Alpha, and a mini-season that covers how Disney's Reedy Creek Development Area came to be.


Never mind! Figured it out!


So it seems you can't have an empty NIP-05 field after having an entry... That seems like an oversight. #nostr


And the github repo that I was using has now been deleted.


Starting to wonder if I should remove the NIP-05 address I use as it is not a domain I directly control, thus have no proper way of verifying who I am the way the NIP is actually supposed to. #nostr


It's just not just the fact that they only want to talk about Bitcoin, Even if someone brings up a different topic, everyone tries to steer the conversation back to Bitcoin in the replies. Everything have to revolve around Bitcoin. Personally, I don't mind it it just feel like a Bitcoin subreddit. I mean, I'd rather scroll through other social media platforms because they discuss a variety of topics. The only thing that bothers me is that they don't seem to understand why Nostr isn't taking off and becoming mainstream. Well, one reason is that it's all about Bitcoin, and let's face it, 98% of the world couldn't care less about Bitcoin. I get being passionate about something, but really to an outsider all this 'orange pill' and 'normies' talk sounds like cult languag


Here's a #controversial opinion: #nostr is not the be-all, end-all when it comes to big tech replacements, nor should it be! When I first joined the nostr ecosystem, it was just a simple well-thought-out Twitter replacement. But developers seem so obsessed with creating "The next big thing! ™" that in the eight months that I've been here I've seen a Reddit clone get tacked on, a Wikipedia clone get tacked on, a Youtube replacement get tacked on, an Instagram replacement get tacked on, a Twitch replacement tacked on, a few attempts to tack on a Patreon-like replacement, a few more things being tacked on that I can't remember off the top of my head, and now I'm seeing people calling for WebMD-like thing to be tacked on. Not to mention all the NIP bloat needed to support this nonsense.

I look at my password manager and see roughly 30-35 accounts that I have used regularly in the last 6 months. Could all those be condensed into a single public key if everything was built on nostr? Absolutely! Do I want that? Abso-fucking-lutely not! That is 30-35 identities that are compartmentalized and segregated from each other. One does not consciously know about the other, so to speak. This is one thing ActivityPub services get right! While yes, a user is siloed into a single instance of a given service, different services are effectively segregated from each other by means of average user ability. The average Mastodon user isn't going to know that they can follow a Lemmy post or a PeerTube channel from Mastodon, let alone even know how to do that.

So I implore devs to take a step back, and instead of needlessly reinventing the wheel here on nostr, find an open-source project that already exists and does what you want and help improve it.


How #controversial is this statement?

We need life long #bitcoin #devs like we need life long #politicians


Yep! This is one of the first things I thought when I saw it. The idea of this proposed NIP comes across as wanting to silo content, of any kind. Thus it has the same fundamental issue people have with ActivityPub. Granted it doesn't silo a person's identity and their existence in the nostr ecosystem, but it does silo what they post.


Brownies!!!! #foodstr https://image.nostr.build/6588efe5a2b0dffc06da42c566f017de5c0b399b411f06ea72836330de01a1c8.jpg


Two-factor all the things!!!


There's some concern that people are only using either a client default relays or just 2 or 3 of the most popular relays. I could be way off on this though.


This is the first time I've ever seen a canary get removed. This is wild!


The idea as I understand it is one part decentralization/censorship resistance so if one relay takes action against you don't disappear, and one part failover so if one relay goes down you can still post to the other relays you are connected to.


After posting, I only discovered that noStrudel shows you proof of work being done if you have that enabled! While one could argue that it doesn't need to be shown to the user if other clients show that proof of work was done, it's still a nice bit of transparency.


Didn't realize you could add relays to NIP-05! Very handy! Also while writing this note that noStrudel detects and auto links NIPs. That is actually quite handy! #nostr


Agreed. The idea of curation goes out the window when you start following that many people. Do you want people to follow? Wade into global and narrow down what you see by keyword or hashtag searches. Does it feel like you're following too many people? Go through your follow list and start pruning. How do you choose who you prune? That is ultimately up to the end user but the criteria I might use is: "Are they posting frequently enough for your liking?" "Has their content shifted too far away from what you were following them for?" "Have they recently posted something that gravely violates your ethics and morals?" things like that.


The basic idea is to put a copy of a note, either yours or someone else's, onto relays that they aren't on.


I wholeheartedly agree with everything here. Another issue I foresee with topic-specific relays is one of the problems Mastodon has, confusion about what to do and where to go. Not to mention, given how nostr works, there would be a LOT of unintentional cross-topic-relay posting that theoretically would result in bans and a bad experience for the end user.  Moderators should only step in when there is something that violates the law in the jurisdiction where the relay is based.

Big relays are only a problem insofar as big relays get all the new users, and as smaller relays die off it centralizes power and authority, which runs counter to what nostr stands for. Even if it's unintended.

Paid relays on the other hand? No clue. Never subscribed to one, nor have I seen people say if they provide better content or not.


If a client uses nostr.band for its searches then no. Sadly nostr.band indexes mostr.pub which poisons any attempt to search. If it doesn't then searches are probably based only on what relays you are using. Beyond that, I have no clue.


First 100 people who repost this will get total of 10,000 No-KYC sats.

#Bitcoin and #Nostr are winning.

Early reposts will get more.


All I really want is a filter that effectively says "if NIP-05=*@mostr.pub then hide post". Though from the sounds of it, that is unrealistic.


It's not on my relay list. At least it shouldn't be.


Agreed.


.mostr is trash


Any way to mass-mute/block all @mostr.pub accounts? I'm trying to see if there's any discussion on some topics on nostr and the mostr bridge has completely polluted the results. #asknostr


People who think that everything, and I literally mean EVERYTHING, is better off on #nostr will cause nostr to be crushed under its own bloat. I'm in the extreme minority, but nostr should have stayed as just a microblogging/blogging protocol.


I don't even... #what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wheMp3NM-w8


1.  It's not necessarily projecting. If tech-savvy people are having issues figuring things like nsec out, it can be fairly safe to assume that the average person will also have problems figuring it out.

2. It's not just the diversity in content, or rather the lack thereof, that people are not a fan of. It's that all of the most popular clients have bitcoin baked in. I've said it once and I'll say it again: A large number of people see "Bitcoin=crypto=scam" and will nope the fuck out when they catch ANY whiff of Bitcoin. Education/onboarding/UX is all fine and dandy, but until there are some client developers and relay operators who are willing to divorce Bitcoin from what they are offering, there is a good chance that The NOSTR can and will ultimately flounder.

3. It doesn't matter how bad "Big Tech" fails. If the outsider's perception is that The NOSTR happily allows content from "nazi pedophiles" without repercussion and no hope for better moderation, then people will nope the fuck out without giving it a chance. Doesn't matter if that actual type of content is being posted or if it's just one's own biases coloring their perception of what's being posted.


There were three major themes that I personally saw:

1. "The onboarding sucks because I don't understand what most of this nonsense means." This comes down to, at least in my opinion, those with some sort of background in Bitcoin making stuff for those that most likely have some sort of background in Bitcoin.

2. "I see crypto bullshit so I'm noping the fuck out and not wasting my time." Saw that coming from lightyears away. A problem I've mentioned multiple times.

3.  "A lack of service-side moderation means this is going to turn into an illegal mess, if it hasn't already." This, to me, comes down to a mix of genuine concern plus political beliefs plus not understanding how to curate one's own content intake.


𐑑𐑩𐑥𐑪𐑮𐑴 𐑦𐑟 𐑡𐑳𐑕𐑑 𐑩 𐑥𐑳𐑯𐑛𐑱, 𐑯 𐑞𐑺 𐑦𐑟 𐑯𐑳𐑔𐑦𐑙 𐑕𐑐𐑧𐑖𐑩𐑤 𐑩𐑚𐑬𐑑 𐑥𐑳𐑯𐑛𐑱𐑟.  #christmas


𐑞 𐑔𐑦𐑙𐑟 𐑿 𐑤𐑻𐑯 𐑩𐑚𐑬𐑑 𐑪𐑯 𐑞 𐑦𐑯𐑑𐑼𐑯𐑧𐑑 𐑸 𐑓𐑨𐑕𐑦𐑯𐑱𐑑𐑦𐑙 𐑚𐑦𐑘𐑪𐑯𐑛 𐑚𐑦𐑤𐑰𐑓!


The arrogance of inevitability forgets the only guarantee in life is death. #nostr #bitcoin


Don't ever let anyone tell you that Yamaha is not a #music company again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L4a9v9sOUQ


Don't get #sick folks!


I think that some of that comes down to the fact nostr was conceived and is mainly being developed by people from the bitcoin community. And as a result, the largest group of people on nostr are bitcoiners. Doesn't help that many "normies" think that bitcoin=scam, so when those same "normies" join nostr some of the first things they see are about bitcoin so they nope the fuck out. It ends up being a chicken-and-egg problem caused by the fox having a field day in the henhouse. I think that if bitcoin haters can be convinced to not just join, but ignore bitcoin content altogether, we can get the diversification of content people want.


I think it checks wss://relays.nos.social for cross-posting.


Instant as well.


Test 2, just to be safe.


It was instant.


Now that I'm using the nos.social relay, let's see how quickly this gets cross-posted.


In a vacuum and on the surface the convenience is fascinating, but it's everything it's connected to that scares the absolute hell out of me.


I started thinking again about the question nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft asked a few weeks ago of "If nostr was completely dead in 10, years what killed it?" and after reading a blog post from a new user that nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 had made a post about, another reason dawned on me.

An identity crisis. And it takes the form of there being difficulty in trying to describe what nostr even is. Because at this point we have Twitter alternatives, we have blogging sites, we have Reddit alternatives, we have Twitch alternatives, and we have Spotify alternatives. I've seen nostr "marketed" for the most part as *just* a Twitter alternative, but it's so much more.

So how the heck do we solve this? People like nostr:npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240 have talked about hiding the more technical complexities of nostr behind more user-friendly solutions. The same can be done with the fact that nostr is a protocol. What do I mean by that? Clients should lean into the idea that they are filling a distinct role and are wholly independent of any other client. Pair that with the idea of  NOT giving people a choice of clients when introducing people to nostr. I know it sounds crazy and counter to what you might want to do, but the way I see it is the less there is to choose from in the beginning the less confusing it'll be. Figure out what ecosystem they're coming from, ie. Twitter, etc., and what their primary device will be. Then tell them to use whatever client you use if you're using the same kind of device, or the most popular client for their device if not. After that let them explore, discover, and answer any questions they might have.


I can see it. I'm currently on nostrudel.


I never thought that I would be reading a #manga called "My Dick is a Cute Girl" yet here I am 15 chapters in. Weirdly wholesome though, given that this is euphemism city.


An hour's delay isn't excellent. However, it could be due to a multitude of reasons.


Now that I finally got tweeter.nos.social to finally work, let's see if I can actually crosspost between nostr and X.


First snow of the year! #weather


Decided to give nostrudel a look after nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 kept gushing about it, and holy crap I can see why now.


That sucks.


Makes you wonder how many other such inconsistencies there are across the most popular clients.


A lack of standardization across a given type of client causing wildly different implementations of a given feature in one client to be unable to be loaded in another client. This leads to the loss of interoperability and ultimately causes enough frustration for devs and users to abandon nostr outright at worst, or completely fracture userbase based on the client of choice.


Holy crap... I just found out that Snort has a deck feature! This is a game-changer! It is still a bit rough around the edges and mainly needs column customization, but it is still an amazing addition. #grownostr


Absolutely! I wouldn't be surprised at all if other social media platforms are working on something similar.


It is technically only for brand new users in two countries. BUT, it will most likely expand to more coutnries first, then EXISTING users in those countries.


nostr:nprofile1qqsf03c2gsmx5ef4c9zmxvlew04gdh7u94afnknp33qvv3c94kvwxgspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3xamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7tpvfkx2tn0wfnszxmhwden5te0vd58y6tnw3cxjmrv9ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5w28rcn
https://image.nostr.build/99deed57f487fdc8e6407fc1eff93f183fafdc29738874243cdcf2cbcbfb1fbf.png

Any idea why my chronological feed isn't chronological?


I really like snort too. Though the two main problems I have with it are the overall design being too mobile-friendly on desktop, ie. there's too much wasted space in my opinion, and global not being based on connected relays.


Sounds like a more robust and standardizing NIP is needed to either rebuild and improve zaps or a completely different method to achieve the same basic feature.


Would be interested in hearing your reasons as to why.


I had an interesting question pop into my head earlier today. Can Bitcoin be restarted from zero? Let's say, for example, that tomorrow Bitcoin completely collapses, everyone sells off, and the blockchain is somehow completely lost. Then several decades later Bitcoin is rediscovered. Could a new blockchain be started with the mining difficulty back at zero or how would that work? Mind you I don't think this will ever actually happen but still interesting to think about. #asknostr #askbitcoin


I did it! I finally beat Act 1 of Divinity Original Sin 2! The furthest I had ever made it previously was just making past Fort Joy, almost 5 years ago. #accomplishments #videogames #rpg #dos2


Good to know that snort allows proof-of-work for posts.


Been having some weird issues with nostr:npub13myx4j0pp9uenpjjq68wdvqzywuwxfj64welu28mdvaku222mjtqzqv3qk recently. One issue is that some posts will randomly disappear every couple of refreshes. Like I'll see them there then refresh and they'll be gone only for the them to show back up 10-15 minutes later. Another one is where there will be 1-3 threads that will show up at the top of the feed despite there being new posts below those. Lastly the search bar is losing focus after typing the first letter forcing me to click the search bar again to finish typing.

But this in turn shows the beauty of nostr in that I can switch to another client without losing anything outside of coracle specific features. At least until those issues are solved, I'll switch over to snort for the time being.


I think one of the most random people I #follow  across all the social media platforms I'm on is a #Japanese  girl who's in the trucking industry.


Today I learned there was a sequel to the song "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" called "The Devil Comes Back to Georgia".


Great to finally have SimpleX desktop proper on Windows!

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I did it... 30 days, 30 posts. Saw very little traction, though that was kind of expected. I think #nostr  is taking steps to be the right solution, but it is still very young and as a result, it could still die in the cradle. Don't be afraid to build out but NEVER neglect what is already here.

nostr:nevent1qqsg0jlzgagenjs00fl0qvr56rk8q2nwj7eqcpcqvl34rvytgxume3spzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0qyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvqyv8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnndehhyapwwdhkx6tpdsq35amnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wdaexzmn8v4cxjmrv9ejx2aspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgqg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhx6mmnw3ezuur4vgq3wamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwvd6hyun9de6zuenedyq3samnwvaz7tmwdaehgu339e3h2unjv4h8gtnx095szrrhwden5te0vfexytnfdure4c73


Almost forgot to post something today. Thankfully I remembered to do so right before bed.


Another day has come and gone.


You just got to realize that sometimes it just is what it is.


I've been learning much about #Bitcoin  and #Lightning  over the last two days. But there's one thing I'm not 100% sure I have wrapped my head around and that is moving Bitcoin from a non-custodial Bitcoin wallet, cold or hot, to a non-custodial Lightning Network wallet. Specifically doing so through your own Lightning node with no 3rd parties.

My understanding is it takes 2 on-chain transactions, one transaction to move Bitcoin from your Bitcoin wallet to the Lightning node wallet, with a second transaction to open a channel between the Lightning node and the Lightning wallet, and a Lightning transaction to push sats from the Lightning node to the Lightning wallet.

Do I have this correct? Also note that this is all theoretical as I don't have any Bitcoin infrastructure.


I like the new shiny features nostr:nprofile1qqsf03c2gsmx5ef4c9zmxvlew04gdh7u94afnknp33qvv3c94kvwxgspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3xamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7tpvfkx2tn0wfnszxmhwden5te0vd58y6tnw3cxjmrv9ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5w28rcn  has added to Coracle!


I don't know what to put here!


Or any other client for that matter. Outside of Gossip of course.


I wonder if web clients will start adding proof of work for posting? (Note sent from Gossip desktop client, with 6 leading zeros for proof of work.)


Thanks!


There was something I wanted to say, but I completely forgot what it was.


#anime MC: "Why is part of my memory missing?"
Me who's never read the source material: "I know! It's the plot for the next season!"


Good night.


Depending on what client you use, that isn't as much of an issue because they do have a recommended follows list.


Chicken and egg, yes, but some of the other issues amplify that issue.


Yep, less focusing on the "Next Big Thing" and more refinement of what's already there. That and more standardization cross clients.


Weird... I'm trying to look at snort desktop and it'll load the notes my feed but if I click on a specific note, it won't... I'm logged in with alby so that shouldn't be the issue. What the heck is going on? #asknostr


Though is does force me to have a bit of a better understanding of what each NIP is supposed to do.


I did not expect developing a a #nostr NIP from scratch, even one that will contain no code like the one I'm working on, would be so difficult. Then again that could very well by my laziness talking.


A classic #procrastination tactic is to wait until the last minute before saying, "I'll worry about it tomorrow."


That's not bad idea. Just a matter of figuring out what what NIPs should be on that list.


Problem is that I've seen on at least one occasion that when people suggest that there are perhaps too many clients and that people focus on a couple, they got shouted down.


If you're around for long enough you'll notice that most of the recommended follows are vocal bitcoiners and as a result a lot of the conversations surround bitcoin and to an extent nostr itself.


That's a result of the chicken and egg paradox. People aren't joining because most content is centered around bitcoin thus no diversity, and content isn't moving away from bitcoin and becoming more diverse because people aren't joining.


The idea of it having to be every dev for themselves when it comes to developing clients. Why have 50 devs working on 50 different good, but not really great, clients, when they should be grouping up and focusing on 2-3 bigger and more robust clients. To me, this would create a standard of what NIPs Twitter alternatives should be implementing by default. Then again I'm not a developer so keep my ignorance in mind.

That also leads to this feeling of not really knowing what the hell nostr is supposed to be. I use it exclusively as a Twitter/X alternative. That's what people fleeing X most likely want. But we have 50 devs working on 50 good but not great clients that fill 50 wildly different roles. That's going to confuse the hell out of the normies. My peanut gallery take is devs should focus on establishing a large userbase for the microblogging apps, then figure out what roles nostr tackles next.


Yep, nostr devs seem so obsessed with this idea of needing to reinvent not only the wheel, but ever god-damned part needed to to build the car. I've seen the idea of coalescing around a small handful of clients multiple times, only for that idea to be shot down immediately.


For those out there that know #babymetal well enough know how #rare a pic like this actually is. I THINK this is their first official "out of costume" pic in almost 10 years. Maybe this is a sign of #change.

https://m.primal.net/HLfA.png


Is posting something for the sake of posting still in line with the #challenge I placed on myself at the beginning of the month? What about a post that states that any conversations I took part of counts? Just some #foodforthought


Bitcoin wasn't even a damn factor in what I fucking wrote. I just meant in general regardless of what tribes may exist here. Good grief!


Not necessarily. Anyone can generate a key pair at any time, but those same people might not understand how all the pieces fit together, and get frustrated when it's not clicking for them. Then they throw their hands up, say fuck it, and leave.


Unfortunately, from what I've heard, onboarding is a bit of disaster still.


Bitcoin worship, as you put it, is a noticeable problem don't get me wrong. But I would say that it isn't the biggest problem. That would go to the idea that it's how nostr works conceptually and how difficult for the average non-tech person to wrap their head around. Granted the bitcoin worship does poison the will quite a bit, but I think it would still be an issue without the poisoned well.


I think a lot of that comes down to the "shiny new object effect" and that nostr has general user retention issues.


I know there was a large group that came from bluesky after some kind of controversy. Though I have no clue what the controversy even was to begin with.


Notice what? Body posters? I don't pay attention to global all that much, but I do notice it every now and again when I DO venture into global.


lol


In the end it's obviously not my place to tell you what to do. But do be mindful of the type of people you might attract if you do go that route.


Do I know how all gamers thing? Most likely not. Do I know how some lonely gamers think? YEP!


You never know what people might be interested in.


Yep I have Primal's nsfw filter on too.
https://m.primal.net/HLau.png


Not showing up as such on Primal.


When it comes to the crime rate, I do honestly wonder how under reported that stat actually is.


In the long run, one of Nostr's most prominent issues will be simplifying key management enough for the non-technical end user to not be overwhelmed. I don't know if it's possible for clients to have NIP-07 built-in outright or if that requires formulating an entirely new NIP.


Early relative to where you are in the world perhaps.


Any plans for a Firefox version? If not, any alternatives for Firefox?


That's weird.


We gamers do think different. Though ones life circumstances can factor into that too.

I have no idea. I assume they're out there somewhere.


As far as coracle goes I'm fairly sure if you click the login button, not advanced login, it defaults to using whatever NIP-07 extension you have. As far as all the blacklist pop-ups from avast goes, that could be for any number of reasons. Keep in mind most of those are most likely from self-hosted relays and avast NEVER says WHY it's been blacklisted, only that it has been.

To coracle asking from camera perms, you most likely hit the button NEXT to the login button which, from my best educated guess, is used for scanning QR codes.


I think that's just avast throwing false positives.


For the longest time I've had a very weird thought in the back of my mind. There are probably married couples out there that have been together for decades and have never had sex. And there are other couples that have reached the same milestone that have never even seen their partner nude. And I just can't seem to wrap my head around that.

I understand that that might be more common than I think. It's just that idea of seeing someone to whom you're deeply and romantically bound to nude, and to want to have sex with them, comes across as... I don't know... natural. Even regardless of religious or moral beliefs.

Maybe it's because I've been single my entire adult life. I don't know. #random


Primal is my primary client.


Huh... Again, I have no clue how my notes are even making it to that relay.


Is that how much the invoice is for?


4200 what?


I wonder why that's happening.


Is anyone else on Primal getting random DM's from @npub1relayxmv7tvfqa3jx36m6hqzlqt3vlgwe8hg004d6xyudzmp6v6q9p35vr  about a lightning invoice for attempting to post to their relay despite said relay not even being on your relay list? #asknostr
https://image.nostr.build/d11053af8bb6571c6e88bff35fcf09c2e84a2cfcb606fc1bfbfda06ef0335857.png


The Dreaming Boy is a Realist, Jujutsu Kaisen, Reign of the Seven Spellblades, My Tiny Senpai, Atelier Ryza, and Mushoku Tensei. Atelier Ryza just finished up today.


Well, the current #anime season is starting to wrap up.


Everyone should read the #manwha "How to Become a Dragon"!


That's great to hear!


Exactly.


Ya know... I think my ideal #nostr client would be the love child of nostr:npub16c0nh3dnadzqpm76uctf5hqhe2lny344zsmpm6feee9p5rdxaa9q586nvr's Primal and nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn's Coracle that's been raised by Tweetdeck. And before someone says to "just make it yourself", I have neither the knowledge nor the drive to do it.

Primal has the algorithms, a lot of content moderation tools, and their "trending" list. And it seems they are taking a page out of Bluesky's book and ultimately allowing users to outsource all of that. They also have a Twitter-like UI, so that helps a LOT.

Coracle has the layout in terms of how threads are nested, it shows what relays a given note has been posted to, and its advanced search features. It also has a neat relay review system, the NIP-32-based lists could be useful, if a little underutilized, and it's one of the few web-based clients that implement nostr connect. And I almost forgot to mention support for multiple accounts.

And finally Tweetdeck. Good god, where do I even start? Multi-collum layout allowing you to have multiple feeds on one screen and scheduled tweets were the two biggest features. Granted I never did use that second one.

Side note, I've actually managed to post at least one thing a day for two weeks straight so I'm slowly breaking out of my shell.


Oh absolutely. That's why most "normies" back out when they join or don't bother joining at all. Unfortunately, nostr is in the "chicken and egg" phase so it's kind of difficult to pull in enough new and "normal" users to help diversify content enough to start a chain reaction. Sadly content isn't the only issue nostr has right now.


I'm quite shocked that the Fediverse has that many daily posts still. After the big mastodon stumble it seemed to kind of fall out of my internet field of view. Granted I don't follow a whole lot of people across the platforms I'm on.


Some of that discrepancy has to be from all the shitcoin bots and other spam.


I think it goes a little beyond being "just bitcoin content". It's true there's still a LOT of bitcoin content on nostr, but one thing to also note is most of the popular users here are vocal bitcoiners. Not only that most of the recommendations of who to follow to new nostriches are... vocal bitcoiners. But like you said, until there are communities of normies that not only join, but stick around to actually use nostr, that problem won't be solved.


I don't think was about generating keys. Moreso about using a NIP-07 compliant extension.


Well, there are a lot of factors at work here.

While wallets and keys ARE tricky for the average person to understand, the stigma of crypto=scam is still prevalent. Whether it's the fact that some of the loudest voices on nostr are vocally pro-bitcoin, the fact nostr integrates bitcoin by default, the constant shitcoin spam, or the mere mention of cryptography in general if the average end-user sees any of this they nope the fuck out. I do understand that a lot of that can be solved with a larger user base diversifying the type of topics being talked about, but the problem is getting enough growth and more importantly, retention to have that.

Bluesky sets out to have one role, to be a Twitter alternative. Nostr, on the other hand, is trying to be a Twitter alternative, a Reddit alternative, a Spotify alternative, a Craig's List alternative, a Twitch alternative, etc. Nostr is predominantly advertised to others as a Twitter alternative. Still, when people join and stick around long enough to see other apps, they MAY end up being confused as to what nostr actually is.

Another thing Bluesky has going for it right now is the fact that there's a single gateway into the ecosystem. While it's not necessarily a good thing in the long run, for now, it's good because it reduces the confusion of new users as to where to actually go. It also helps set a base list of features that other clients should implement. Nostr, on the other hand, has many different clients with many different feature sets. While this is ultimately a good thing, you start to run into the problem of keys becoming less and less portable because clients are introducing more and more features that other clients aren't implementing, thus potentially breaking clients. Focusing on a smaller number of clients will really help with that.


A bit random to mention out of nowhere, but I have never beat a #Mario game before.


But not everyone is a developer.  In the end the average end-user is going to want to use what ever client is the most popular. If we have say 100 different clients with 100 different feature sets, you are going to start seeing more and more cases of posts made in one client and not displaying properly or at all in others. And then we ultimately end up in a situation where one's presence on nostr isn't as transportable as it should be.

So having a "mega app" that is popular is not necessarily a bad thing because it can help standardize a list of features that new clients might want to target. It can also help a lot with onboarding new plebs because there would be a standard expected experience that is relatable and replicable.

In the end you could still encourage those with the know-how and applicable skills to create their own experience.


One of the first problems #lightning #node operators usually face is not having channels with incoming liquidity.

You need other #nodes to open a channel to yours in order to have the ability to receive sats AND send them.

This is where we come in! Just DM us  at any time and we'll provide you with a free 1m sat channel (or even larger capacities).

Boost this note to get zapped ⚡500⚡sats.


#Politics is the deadliest venom and the deadliest poison known to mankind.


I don't have a problem if a hotel wants to do this unprovoked. There is nothing wrong with legitimate charity. What I DO have a problem with would be the government stepping in and forcing the hotels to do it.

You also have to look at other cities that did something similar and see how that turned out. Not to mention the type of people that tend to be homeless in these large cities. Are the hotel staff going to be properly able to deal with those type of people? No they aren't. What kind of compensation are the hotels going to get for doing this? That's assuming they are going to get any in the first place. Look at how bad some of the camps are. The hotels are going to end up just as bad, potentially even worse. How are the hotels supposed to recover if they do get to that state? I doubt they would even be able to. In the end it's extremely high risk vs little to no reward.


And if you want something Final Fantasy inspired, you should check out the other band the drummer is in, Ancient Bards.


It just dawned on me... Am I crazy in thinking that #nostr and #bluesky more similar in how they work than we think? Yes I know that the two underlying protocols are different. But I'm thinking along the lines of doing the same by very different means. And to answer my own question, yes I think I'm crazy in thinking this, hence the sanity check.


Oh shit! This looks damn interesting.


So government attempting to dictate how you use your private property? FUCK THAT! That is how you chase hotels out of the state.


That took nearly 20 hours, but I finally finished the Real Estate Royal storyline in #yakuza0 and unlocked the Dragon of Dojima style.


One thing I hate about romance #anime, is the constant cock-blocking. For example a show I'm watching this season has the main guy call out the main girl to meet him after work because he wants to confess and ask her out. She shows up and just as he's about to confess, she interrupts him and  says something to the extent of "We work well together, let's continue being friends so we can keep up the good work." I mean seriously! What the fuck! Why do they keep doing this! We need more romance anime where the main couple either get together at the beginning or are already together!  #rantover


I had the strangest realization when waking up this morning regarding #music.  At least in terms of rock and metal, women are either the lead singer in a female-fronted band, or in an all female band... Granted that is just an observation and by no means a hard rule, and there are exceptions to that general observation. I'm sure that's because there some not so savory reasons for that, but still blew my mind when it dawned on me.


God I just ate breakfast just a little bit ago! Don't make me agonize  till lunch!


Those look so good!


I don't know why, but I've always had an odd aversion to watching anything subtitled, like #anime, when eating a meal.


God dammit! Now I have that naisily voice clip stuck in my head!


This is one drum I will beat as long as I'm on nostr: Outsiders hear crypto and think scam and only scam. It does not matter if it is bitcoin, shitcoin, or general cryptography. So how do you easily dismiss them and not actually address their concerns, legitimate or unfounded? Just buzzwords like FUD. It's simple and you get to rally those that agree with you. Sadly, I think that if this "dismiss the non-believer" attitude is so prevalent amongst the most popular users, that nostr will lose any momentum it may currently have and relegate it to a super niche platform. And I do mean platform because that's how I and I would assume a fair few not-bitcoiners/developers see it and not a protocol.


I think Coracle would be a good candidate for a tweetdeck-like experience.


I am going to #challenge  myself in the month of September to post something every day here on #nostr  as well as #twitter  #bluesky  and #mastodon  the four "microblogging" sites that I use. (And before anyone bitches, I know "microblogging" isn't nostr's only use. It's the only thing I currently use it for so please cut me some slack. I plan on posting my thoughts about it later.)

Some days it'll be the same thing on all four networks, and other days it'll be completely different. Hopefully, I can manage to stick with this for the entire month. Wish me luck.


Yep! People think that all cryptocurrencies, including bitcoin is a scam. So when they see that nostr mostly bitcoin talk they will completely nope the fuck out. I also think the average person will have a hard time wrapping their head around how nostr and key pairs work.


That's something that should be fixed. People were always complaining on twitter that they weren't seeing posts, don't need that problem following us here.


I did, no dice.


I thought so too, but they show up when I view my feed in coricle.


I no longer need an invite. Another kind nostritch was able to spare me one of their invites.


Odd... One of the people I follow isn't showing up in my Primal  followers feed. Any idea as to why that may be nostr:npub16c0nh3dnadzqpm76uctf5hqhe2lny344zsmpm6feee9p5rdxaa9q586nvr? #asknostr


Stay safe!


I'll bite. Been looking to poke around that place for a while now.


This gun looks scary as hell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRL1d7jO7c


Bluesky is not decentralized! It can't be by definition because there is currently only a single instance.


Weird, all my relays got removed. At least it's an easy fix.


The new single from Babymetal is fucking amazing!!!!
https://open.spotify.com/track/3PNuq4zUgDMTqdBuGeg50m?si=21f96a3611214e06


I don't blame you. Just interesting to see what everyone is posting every now and again.


I'll agree on the shitcoin front. It's just really annoying when trying to view global and seemingly half of what shows up are those bible verse bots.


Anyone noticing a shitload of random npubs posting nothing but bible verses? #asknostr


Sucks that #Band-Maid is starting to sound a bit samey.