I think Nostr needs more users, not more microblogging features.


And less bots and AIs tbh.


Agreed. Seems like Elon over at X is NOSTR’s best advertiser right now


Cuando Elon ponga su X pago muchos vendrán corriendo


You build it, and they will cum


🙂

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its going to be hard.


More users and it has to run more smoothly.


In due time. Kind ser


Ill start inviting my friends when the apps work. 😅 only realy adopters can deal with this.


Onboarding is a nightmare rn... inspite the welcome committee, we loose new users because of this 😢


I try my best to welcome the newbies 💜
But you’re right Tico!


Exactly


Right. How about we improve usability instead of microblogging. lol


The CEO hath spoken 🫡


Agree ⚡🤙


Thats what she said


But it shows how much some like to be fed data


So hard


I’d like to see new hardware really trimmed down in materials use & utilising solar / perpetual powered re charging. 3 layers encased in resin would be my first pass.


What we need is Donald Trump.


Perhaps if there were people talking about different things... Bitcoin is nice, but I try to post things that are censored in my country, for example.


You build it, and they will cum


Maybe this is what kills nostr. Everyone knows they benefit from everyone else's marketing efforts, so no one invests in marketing.


Engagement has been better lately, but I still think that should be the focus, because it’s something we can each be better about.   nostr:nevent1qqszwzkh3eu29lejdhkhmwz8algj4rfv2gg4dk2prt588dh88v72fwgpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuum5dahx2u3wvdhk647te6y


I agree.

And uniquely compelling use cases where nostr shines regardless of interoperability is what can make it win


Easier on boarding will bring new users 🤞


🙌🏽

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Exactly 💯💯. I believe the floodgate will still open.


I think Nostr needs more users, not more microblogging features.


Is the lack of interesting content for people who are not interested about bitcoin still a reason people give for not sticking around?


Yep, less focusing on the "Next Big Thing" and more refinement of what's already there. That and more standardization cross clients.


Precisely.


We have money. How do we buy users with money?


So many nostr users are developers. This is good but in the short term it’s also very messy.

New users will come at a rate that looks disappointing but if massive waves did, it’d be even more disappointing.


you can’t. you have to attract a group of people that will be hard to attract. plus not a lot of people like them…

gen z


Telegram creator threw money out of a window.


millennials used to be the gods of kickstarting social media, now that power has been given to gen z.

for example: tiktok..


make it harder to join.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/10/02/order-popularize-potatoes-france-parmentier-placed-armed-guards-potatoes-fields-instructed-guards-accept-bribes-let-people-steal-potatoes/


:rolling on the floor laughing:


::rolling on the floor laughing::


Maybe a new nostr token and airdrop 😹 😹 😹


Well, for 5,000$ a month you can pull down 1,000,000 Twitter posts.  That's 33,000 posts a day , about 1/3 the daily posts nostr has now (according to nostr.band 80k).  So you pull these down, create keys for em, and setup some grouchy AI bots to reply sporadically to anyone that replies to the mirrored posts.

So, for 15,000$/mo you could double the amount of daily nostr posts with all kinds of content that would diversify the topics significantly.

Anyway, that's what other platforms do to bootstrap, they make fake content and/or pull it from an existing platform to seem like there's lots of users until the bootstrapping phase is complete.


don't forget two-factor auth. must have or it isn't secure 😁


without self-custody? zbd tried this and everyone seems to hate them for that. you can't go halfway with key custody. login or self-custody, pick one.


start an advertising campaign on facebook, twitter, etc.


I am still thinking new people who arrive are not shown how great Nostr is, and they just get frustrated and leave.


More non-social apps using nostr as backend?


Onboarding still sucks.  Even if they reach out some.  Some say hi, and such, but few follow a new person.

New people don’t see how amazing Nostr is.


Buying people with money has become easier then anytime before in history.... INFLUENCERS 😆

+

People are set in stone with the username and password mentality. Maybe long nSec string scares them away 🤷.
Giving people one click login will absolutely give them a better experience but it will still require initial set up I guess.

+

More local nostr meetups and not just one big unconference far far away every few months. Local gatherings might make a big impact.


nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 what do you think is the most effective method of gaining new users? (Bitcoiners)


Gimme coupla btc and I'll invite them, and you'll start hating their toxic presence, 24/7 - like what they do on X - normal day

I'm the only one on here, have not invited one soul from there


I would rather see a $15,000/mo airdrop to all Nostriches with a valid NIP-05.


Use that money to inform unaware users, tell the story of why they need nostr, and why we build


Maybe a Bitclout scheme on top of Nostr will go a long way.


I think Nostr needs more users, not more microblogging features.


Im working on onboarding the local winos man ...


Spend it on those models that post pictures of themselves in their underwear, those seem to get plenty of engagement.

Nvm, the simps seem to be picking up that bill already.


I hired a bunch off fiverr, but they didn't stay after the job was done. 🙄


More great discussion below 👇
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The question ultimately is "How the fuck do I get people to care about freedom when the dish du jour is apathy" ...

Our battle is a spiritual one mo chara...


This cunt cares enough about Nostr to criticise it anf not stroke its knob.

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early

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Perhaps integrating something with existing popular cross-posting apps would put nostr on the radar of people who have followers? If something like that is possible.


I find the Communities function quite hopeful.

There's a community called Exploding Heads which seem to have migrated here maybe. No idea what their story is really. But they seem p active.

Saw them mentioned in the post below. Hopefully the communities feature is featured and more prominently on clients and improved, some clients don't even have it atm even. Hopefully more posses and niche groups turn up:)

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You are right, nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s.


Perhaps it will be bitcoin that front runs Nostr. When number goes up more people flock to bitcoin, and when they join that community then they reach for freedom in other areas like Nostr.  Not to mention a large part of the existing bitcoin community will point them that direction as they come in.


Short: Zapertising
Long:
I used to work in digital marketing and growth as both a marketer and a programmer. The user acquisition cost is very high for traditional centralized platform/website/softwares.

In one of my job, a paid user cost us 3000 USD to get. Meaning, if this person don't spend 3000+, the company lost money. That's why many Silicon Valley style companies lose more money with more users before they reach monopoly and they have to squeeze money back from users at that point.

Because we separate the cost of client development, relay development and relay operation, it will be much cheaper to do digital marketing here.

For example, I can develop a advertisement platform on top of Nostr without paying the whole cost of the network, therefore I can charge clients (sellers of goods) much less and/or give ad watcher cash back from sellers' advertisement budget.

Now we have achived an impossible triangle in fiat world:
1. Lower cost for advertiser (ad distributor)
2. Lower cost for sellers
3. Get money to watch ads instead of pay money to block ads.

I believe this is a great way to get more users and I am actually working on getting some VCs interested in this plan. If we can use VC money to grow Nostr, it believe it's a net win.


True. Where do we find them?


If you build it, they will come.

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Every Nostr client should have an on-boarding process that ends with check out these other great Nostr apps and services and link to Nostrapps.com or use the NIP for recommendations.


I love that we're talking about growth hacking a protocol


💯 Same as #Bitcoin. #Nostr #AskNostr

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Try to get more non English speakers. Like Spanish, pashto, African native speakers, and under served people. They need it and will quickly see the benefits.


They will come. Nostr has crucial advantages. It's the internet vs these early curated walled garden networks. It's not even a question but it will always take more time than expected.


As much as I dislike the growth hacking originated from Facebook, it's indeed effective.


Maybe I’m one of a few who checks the website before downloading an app. It’s only Damus’ site with an appealing look to newcomers, ie Iris and Nostur look like study projects… For sure this quick summary does not give a complete overview as I might have missed another great landing page… Another “issue”: the majority of search results for Nostr lead to GitHub - this doesn’t attract mainstream… It’s not what Nostr offers, but how it is presented.
https://i.nostrimg.com/aaa395dc8981ebd902a39c5100cb487d91293cdab5f81b9c4d3342603882b8b0/file.jpeg


Ugh. Fine. I'll submit a request marketing plan and attempt to travel all over to various events and conferences promoting Nostr.


I think Nostr needs more users, not more microblogging features.


That’s the #damus marketing plan 😂💜 we will gladly accept funding and folks to join us :)


I'm not a Damus user 🥹


Ya but you’re part of our marketing plan regardless Derek lol. It’s about growing #nostr and #damus 😍 you’re one of our best ambassadors without using the app and that’s what makes this place so amazing!


While the devs build, we will fill it with as much memes as we can.


I had a short meeting today about speaking at Bitcoin Atlantis. I'd love to go to promote Nostr. However, I can't afford to go unless travel and accomodations are paid. Derek Ross isn't a household name in the Bitcoin community, so I won't be getting my expenses paid unless something changes with their funding. Maybe I should actually do this? Make a small marketing plan and submit a request to nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 or nostr:npub10pensatlcfwktnvjjw2dtem38n6rvw8g6fv73h84cuacxn4c28eqyfn34f to pay for these expenses.

I don't have a marketing title by trade, but back when I was a business owner for the better part of a decade, I loved wearing the marketing hat and advertising hat. I have sales and marketing in my blood. I grew up with it. I'm a natural communicator, even though I'm also a tech nerd 🤓😂. I used to speak all of the time. Since I don't technically do this for a living, I don't know if I should? Thoughts? Dumb? Not a good use of donated funds?


Guys... It's fine. Let it grow organically. Don't rush to get more people just for the sake of saying there are more people. Quality over quantity is best. People are and will continue to discover it. One day you'll wish you could come back to this moment. Just keep building. These things take time. Nostr is great!


More people normally means worse content. Do we really want nostr mainstream? Or keep it for techy people?


make a micro app that just has news


how much do we need to raise?


add to algorithm


a permission to lock account x app for 1 week
and get 10000 sat to zap / key ?


Diversity of content is lacking at the moment. (Or maybe there is no depth to the diversity.) Users joined and get bored with seeing the same topics and memes dominate the feed. And they leave.

I suggest some budget is directed toward incentivising people to consistently post short-form / micro-blog good content that is not cryptocurrency focused. (I am not against cryptocurrency, but it is still a niche topic.) Do this until we have a level of critical mass for diverse content.

How do we know when we reach the critical mass? Maybe set a target for number of MAUs that you want to reach? Personally, I prefer not to have a certain target, but to set a time limit on the incentivisation and measure the impact. MAUs before vs MAUs after. Then adapt the incentivisation and repeat. {MAU: monthly active users}

The impact of this approach will take time to show sustainable result, but this might be one of the flywheels that can sustain growth. From HubSpot: "With the flywheel, you use the momentum of your happy customers to drive referrals and repeat sales. Basically, your business keeps spinning."

And maybe slow down adding more and more to the protocol? Let all nostr clients and relays to be on par with each other on most of the NIP implementations. Big parities in NIP implementations affect user experience noticeably. {NIP: nostr implementation possibilities}

Another bonus is that when the apps are mostly at parity with regard to NIPs, they can invest their development energy on improving their apps user experience. Better user experience feeds back into the flywheel above.


Yes, indeed.  And I like to follow them also.  As they likely have none or only one or two.  (I can always unfollow them later if I dont like them) but at least they can see who I interact with and who the other active Nostriches are..that helps a ton.


nooooo don't


All those decentralized evangelist have to make that money on twitter.  SMH.


Create merchandise, which looks weird, but in a "cool" way.
Limit its supply to a very low amount for no reason.
Make it super expensive for no reason.

This is the perfect recipe for making a brand, that seems so exclusive & "cool" that people want to join it.

This is based on the idea around how sneaker & other clothing brands are doing it. It's also similar to NFTs. Create some shit, make it weirdly limited & exaggeratingly expensive & suddenly its artifical as well as senseless exclusivity draws people in.


A rough estimate puts it around $1500. Economy flight. Cheap hotel.


The biggest problem I see right now is the first use experience. The first 15 minutes you use a product determines whether you continue using it or likely drop it forever.

When you just start #Nostr & you wanna see anything, all Relays have to be queried first, etc. At first, everything is empty.
Happens as well, when you delete the cache of the #Nostr app you use.

People are so used to instant access, it's probably a pretty big blocker to wait for Relays to finish loading the feed, especially in Global, basically like viewing an image in Internet Explorer during 2003.


This is a problem that needs a proper solution. An obvious one would be to build in various effective methods of content filtering & querying. Then everyone can join.

That said, already at this moment there is too much shit content on #Nostr. For example, tons of nude shit, shitcoin scams, advertisements, other scams, etc... It's already tough to avoid this with this tiny user base, as of now.


Let's get Derek funded.


Second that.

Like, I get why people are excited about #Bitcoin & shit, but come on.

Recently, I actually visited #Nostr less because anyone worth any popularity shit on #Nostr is some #Bitcoin freak talking about #Bitcoin 24/7, as if you could eat, drink & use it as a toy.

It'a really difficult to find people, who do not speak about #Bitcoin literally the entire day & don't even know what time it is, because they count everything in block time...


$5. PayPal did it and Coinbase did it. That's 17k sats.


6000 users per btc.


Yes, the tshirt tribes will eventually arrive to fight with the pillow tribes. And the process will start anew


You can stay at my house.


location event for location based apps


Been in the back of my mind, regarding other things, but the news could use a revitalization locally. If the platform were to attract local muck rakers building communities here, larger networks would have to start to pay attention if for nothing else the competition. But this to would have to be organic to, maybe just the chat section of a new local new org.


I think Nostr needs more users, not more microblogging features.


I'd love to have an app, where I could have zapped the person I copied the HW from.


Really? What's your reference point? There's far less moonbois clapping and threads here than twitter had, no?


Could you help mange expectations by a pop up message that says "please hold while we're connecting relays and syncing data.... after that you can connect a wallet, make a post with #???  whatever... and start making friends....".

 Something to pass the time and educate the user as to what's going on.


Even better, there is no reason whatsoever that the key could not be uploaded to the user’s cloud, tied to their phone. Even SimpleX does this. Encrypt the key, store it in iCloud or Google Drive.

Makes restoring easy in case of a fuck up, but doesn’t put all the keys in one place. The social company isn’t the custodian.

In my iCloud account fully encrypted is not nearly as offensive as in their database. And it’s not a wonky flow. Lots of apps store stuff in your cloud.


Those were KYCd users to reduce abuse. Keeping KYC out of the equation means limited zapping or some proof of work.

We could send satograms giving everyone with a lud16 lightning address identity set in their profile sats periodically.


$SATZAP


I don't think this potato story is a success story because it's harder. I believe it's more because of excitement. Stealing / bribing / doing illegal stuff is wrong but can be exciting


Just wait for hyperbitcoinization.


nostr has virality.


Any clue or document on how to make them?


i agree with you!


We need more plebs with more bars #nostrcypher


Do it!


We can scan our eyeballs? 😝


You don’t.
You buy them with your heart and soul.


Small story: a journalist, friend, asked me if I could explain what the heck is this NOSTR that the Twitter CEO was talking (sic)..happily, I started to show him how it works, what can you (and can't) do with this and his face was 🤯

- OK, and how do I create my account?
(proceeds to explain and show how to keep their PK safe)
- wait a minute, what happen if I lose my pk or something similar? How do I recover them?
(proceeds to explain how to keep his PK safe part 2 and also some additional info of how I manage my keys)
- Nah, it's too hard and I have a reputation to protect.

Instead of arguing, I just say "ok" but my doubt remains: NOSTR is censorship resistant, protect his reputation means that if he/she make a mistake and their PK got lost, how do they get back? Will they have to all start over again?

That happened weeks ago but, I keep thinking and while I agree with this note, also want to give voice to this specific concern.

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Shit !
I wanted to write “you gaine them”, my synapses need some rest.


I think our biggest need is for spaces where cultures other than the Bitcoin-maximalist one can exist. I think the curated communities are a good start but the fact that notes posted to them also show up on your micro-blog’s feed breaks the immersion.


Bull run will bring many


Agree but not just more users, more diverse users. Really want nostr to be the place I go to engage on all topics


Why only Bitcoiners?


false dichotomy  - it can have both


I'm here cos of this video, made nostr sound special/unique - and it is 🙏
https://youtu.be/aA-jiiepOrE?feature=shared


*we


More veelogs


Very grateful for the video 🙏🥹


fucking absolutely


You can fix it by using Rumble instead of Youtube


Welcome 😃


I agree 💯% i hve been working/creating/helping some projects like Amethyst & yana nostr clients with my design, and, i have recived just a few zaps, nothing compare with my normal clients that pay my bils on fiat, so, i just do it for pleasur and to help. So, i trust in the future, and i know with some MKT campaighs all nostr projects can Benefict. Hope like some people Invest in good projects like this One


I would start with Github and go from there.


Wait… if I lose my Pk do I die in the real world?


Lol


According to these crazies


why not both?


Juvenile in the mind not age*


P.s im new here


I guess that's also how most mainstream encrypted chat apps work? Don't understand why ZBD went full retard with this.


we attract users based on their decision

Q how more n best can we reach out !


I think Nostr needs more users, not more microblogging features.


Have you noticed nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m or nostr:npub1sn0wdenkukak0d9dfczzeacvhkrgz92ak56egt7vdgzn8pv2wfqqhrjdv9 here?

But you are correct possibly.


Buen punto


In this case, just not the effect he's after.


Arabic verses gone wrong?!


More and different content!


Yes. I have


Needs top 10 frens list.


I think Nostr content is uncomfortable for most regular people :)


Nostr being mostly Bitcoin does not help that either...


We could pay for them to delete accounts! Proof of Exodus.


This is not a bad idea. Is there a way for people to prove they have deleted their X?


I believe nostr is doing more than fine.. these things take time and new users will only come when more infrastructure is added to suit their needs or when most of their network is already in. most people don't understand the need for nostr, they see it as just another platform and they see no benefit in it whatsoever, only those more involved care and understand the need and benefits it brings.
we haven't even met all the early adopters needs, to cater for the rest is still a bit far down the line..


It seems to me that Nostr has a lot of development but they seem to me all like island solution.

I can bring you users, but I need your help.

Contact me if you can develop or have a big following on other networks.


Think of the density of awesome that will happen in Nostr.  It will pay to be early.

They will come.


Sorry, notifications are still shit ;)
You're right for sure. I'm on a comfy European fibre connection righ now, so everything is butter-smooth. But even on a shitty 3G connection, it should be possible to request / download a few KB in 1-2 seconds (even with a ping of 500ms).

So unless you government is restricting access, either your client doesn't have enough, or good enough servers, or there's another issue in the client - caching or whatever.


Amongst other factors this depends on the diversity of posts' topics. So not just Bitcoin...


More users. & more content that would be banned on other platforms. We can dunk on shitcoiners anywhere.