Oddbean

I disagree 100% Edits are saving me all the time on Amethyst and allow me to expand and correct long and important lists that need updating. As like my lists: Nostr Clients, Portuguese communitie, Open Source Games and others. Having this feature only on Amethyst always makes it hard for me to make a new post and get the same prominence as the original content.

I said "a lot", not every :) I understand that edit is an interesting and useful functionality, but it has several drawbacks on Nostr. Amethyst is the only that implement *this* kind of edit because others devs agree that the disadvantages are greater than the advantages. There is another proposal (by @hodlbod) that has been discussed and it seems more appropriate. Btw, long contents (and lists) should probably use the long format, that actually has the edit feature precisely because it is considered important in the writing of an article. Why don't you use it?

I am merely communicating. If I cared about typo free messages it would be because I am trying to sell something, usually my labor. I see no problem with enabling this feature, replaceable all the things with black chains. But it's not important. I said wat I sed. nostr:nevent1qqsgwd7hgkyeea4a7hhya8kz9q2h5x53pg94ec5yhd9g54gpzj5k9nqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsyg86np9a0kajstc8u9h846rmy6320wdepdeydfz8w8cv7kh9sqv02gpsgqqqqqqs59q4cs

The question becomes more of … if ppl are debating typos … they’re focused on the medium and not the message. Let the typos go … nostr platform works as designed. Make another post and link it in a reply to the 1st one … leave it to the display app to choose to find and fix the lead post in the thread.

imo edits are good deleting is good keeping nostr simple is an important goal too, but if we can't offer users basic 2024 expectations for usability and control over their own content, what is the point

If we are going to damage the decentralization potential of Nostr so badly just to have one stupid feature what is the point? Instagram, TikTok and YouTube do not allow editing the main content of a post once it's published, by the way.

Without editing, doing this would be much harder than it already is. I had to edit several times in Amethyst. But choose whatever you think is best... The ones who are losing content and users are the ones who don't use it. nostr:nevent1qqspatn6ktr2uk8cvmf733zjn96f88je00k85x92dsfan4uj3njqx9spr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgs2tmjyw452ydezymtywqf625j3atra6datgzqy55fp5c7w9jn4gqgrqsqqqqqpwwvvh8

I totally agree. However, understandably, some people do not understand the consequences of implementing such a seemingly simple function. Perhaps we should integrate into the NIPs why some architectural choices (or non-choices) are made.

Information has been hidden from other clients since the beginning of Nostr with groups and then with communities. Those who limit themselves and do not implement it will simply be used less, this is not communism...

if what you're writing is so important proof read it most notes are not important enough for relays to store forever. I say listen to nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9uq3xamnwvaz7tmhda6zuat50phjummwv5hsx7c9z9 Decentralized tech is important don't risk messing it up for some silly redundancy from big tech. If anything we should keep brain storming completely different features big tech could never dream of... Zaps was a great start.... But we have stagnated in my humble opinion.... And trying to duplicate feature from other centralized anti freedom platforms is a step in the wrong direction. My whole thing with nostr is focus on solving a whole different problems then big tech. Big tech is not successful in the long run big tech is literally needs government subsidies to survive. I want nostr clients to be more like Craigslist I want nostr clients to take inspiration from services like robo-sats and pirate bay I believe mentioning any features from big tech is a grave mistake.

i mean i can absolutely imagine incrementally editing image, video, audio content is a bigger ask of a platform than editing text, analogous with the problems with large assets in git (for text we have pretty much perfected diff algorithms, and it's dealing with much less data in the first place)

Yes. There will be no git on Nostr unless there is an edit... People here are not realizing that all it would take is to integrate the edits, basically saying: "Guys, this guy has a big dick, we can't have that here, everyone keep your dicks at 4 inches, like ours" 😂

i don't think enforcement is the point here? it also can't be enforced by an internet protocol that your message is shown, so is a "post" function client dishonesty too? in by far most cases a hint is enough and people actually want the latest version of a post, nor see accidentally posted garbage and sure it's always possible that there's still a copy of the old version around, there are no guarantees of anything

i can edit notes with amethyst, but i don't do it all that often because it only applies to amethyst at this time. i'd be down to have it everywhere though. nostr:note1sumaw3vfnnmtma0wf60vy2q40gdfzzsttn3gfw623f2sz99fvtxqw8x8r2

You are making a case for why edits are bad and become de-facto mandatory if they get enough traction. And nostr only works if it’s simple and the barrier to entry to create something new is low.

Not a technical argument, but an argument regarding the most important ingredient to ANY startup; the culture. Which by the way is always lost on engineers. "Muh democracy!!!, NOSTrR does not have enough black trans coders!" Here's a preview of NOSTR meeting in the next few years. https://youtu.be/moWe3rk7LzQ?si=6Nxx8VpimD4FzsVD

He's absolutely right. Keep #Nostr simple. nostr:nevent1qqsgwd7hgkyeea4a7hhya8kz9q2h5x53pg94ec5yhd9g54gpzj5k9nqpzfmhxue69uhkuenjv4kxz7fwv9c8qtczyrafsj7hmweg9ur7zmn6apajdg48hxuskujx53rhrux0ttjcqx84yqcyqqqqqqgyvau7w

Always vote yes. Don't let the communists tell you what you can or cannot do with your content. Edit everything if you want. Including the date, time, content, links. EVERYTHING. if you are not in control of your own content than it's just a communist platform. It someone wants to keep track of the original content than they can use a scraper to scrape the original content and have a copy of the original note on their servers. Don't let anyone force you to not have control of your own content.