KEEP NOSTR SIMPLE

VOTE “NO” ON THE EDITS REFERENDUM


yes.
i mean no.
i mean ok.


Nooooo I need to make a case for the edits referendum! It’s just highlights imperfection when I see the error .5 seconds after I made it! 💁🏽♀💖


All Typos Matter


Delayed sending is a thing, it could easily solve a lot of basic errors.


You still haven't given me a highlighter.com #Nostr address and a custom URL

😐


sounts goot


Onward 🫡


Nostur does this and it’s excellent


Edits are an anti-feature


I disagree 100%

Edits are saving me all the time on Amethyst and allow me to expand and correct long and important lists that need updating.

As like my lists: Nostr Clients, Portuguese communitie, Open Source Games and others.

Having this feature only on Amethyst always makes it hard for me to make a new post and get the same prominence as the original content.


😂 I’m indifferent. I’m sitting this one out for now. I might change my mind later.


I’ll vote by simply not using them. It’s like voting with your money, but free.


😡😡😡
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KEEP NOSTR SIMPLE

VOTE “YES” ON THE EDITS REFERENDUM


I am merely communicating. If I cared about typo free messages it would be because I am trying to sell something, usually my labor.

I see no problem with enabling this feature, replaceable all the things with black chains. But it's not important.

I said wat I sed.

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Dis not a democracy p


I said "a lot", not every :)
I understand that edit is an interesting and useful functionality, but it has several drawbacks on Nostr. Amethyst is the only that implement *this* kind of edit because others devs agree that the disadvantages are greater than the advantages. There is another proposal (by nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn) that has been discussed and it seems more appropriate.

Btw, long contents (and lists) should probably use the long format, that actually has the edit feature precisely because it is considered important in the writing of an article. Why don't you use it?


How to vote?


Oh nooooooo 💖💖 I was just being silly re: this and now I’m caught in @ replies galore


The question becomes more of … if ppl are debating typos … they’re focused on the medium and not the message.

Let the typos go … nostr platform works as designed.  Make another post and link it in a reply to the 1st one … leave it to the display app to choose to find and fix the lead post in the thread.


imo
edits are good
deleting is good
keeping nostr simple is an important goal too, but if we can't offer users basic 2024 expectations for usability and control over their own content, what is the point


Totally agree


i can edit notes with amethyst, but i don't do it all that often because it only applies to amethyst at this time. i'd be down to have it everywhere though.

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I proposed an edit on this


Crap. I meant to vote “no”. Can I change my vote?


I like it... Been also thinking about #onlyzaps again... Didn't get rid of reactions but charge them minimum 1 sat to react


Edits is why I use amethyst


If we are going to damage the decentralization potential of Nostr so badly just to have one stupid feature what is the point?

Instagram, TikTok and YouTube do not allow editing the main content of a post once it's published, by the way.


Yes


Maybe edits where history of edit is visible to what has been edited.


i like fixing my typos.


I think your deletion edit spec is the most reasonable and avoids a lot of the ux issues


I edit my clumsiness way too much and I'm all in for voting "NO" to edits.
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My relays won't allow any of this nonsense


Peter Todd should decide as he’s Bitcoin CEO 😂


Yes for edits


Edit and delete are great and should be everywhere. If you don't want to support them, you don't have to. But I will continue to hold the opinion that clients with support are superior.


Sir please research the ossification of Nostr, written by a real human


Ahhaa NOSTR is so fucking gay.  It's a culture of "my democracy" people. Never going to work, with a bunch of Jack Dorsey groupies, suck ups


No, edits are great.


He's absolutely right. Keep #Nostr simple.
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Neither does Bluesky


I use edit often, I didn't even know others can't see it lmao

I should probably be more careful


FAKE NEWS


Maybe "you" should think first.
Then correct.
Then send.


I totally agree.
However, understandably, some people do not understand the consequences of implementing such a seemingly simple function. Perhaps we should integrate into the NIPs why some architectural choices (or non-choices) are made.


Can I edit my vote?


Always vote yes. Don't let the communists tell you what you can or cannot do with your content.

Edit everything if you want. Including the date, time, content, links. EVERYTHING.

if you are not in control of your own content than it's just a communist platform.

It someone wants to keep track of the original content than they can use a scraper to scrape the original content and have a copy of the original note on their servers.

Don't let anyone force you to not have control of your own content.


deletes and edits are just client dishonesty. you can’t enforce information destruction on a protocol level


Onward 🫡


i don't think enforcement is the point here? it also can't be enforced by an internet protocol that your message is shown, so is a "post" function client dishonesty too?

in by far most cases a hint is enough and people actually want the latest version of a post, nor see accidentally posted garbage

and sure it's always possible that there's still a copy of the old version around, there are no guarantees of anything


Maximize Light weight decentralizing features


What's wrong with amethyst's edit implementation I see no issues with it


Edits complicate the protocol: edits centralize nostr


YouTube does allow comment editing though. And video description can be edited as well.


Your level of misunderstanding is comical.

Bitcoin doesn’t allow me to run Quake in it: Bitcoin is communist.


Wow, great argu… oh wait.


You are making a case for why edits are bad and become de-facto mandatory if they get enough traction.

And nostr only works if it’s simple and the barrier to entry to create something new is low.


Not on pollerama.fun 😛


Edits are just another kind of event.


If not quake, maybe doom?


So why have anything besides kind 1? Barrier to entry is arbitrary and gets easier with the more development kits evolve.


Not a technical argument, but an argument regarding the most important ingredient to ANY startup; the culture.

 Which by the way is always lost on engineers.

"Muh  democracy!!!, NOSTrR does not have enough black trans coders!"

Here's a preview of NOSTR meeting in the next few years.

https://youtu.be/moWe3rk7LzQ?si=6Nxx8VpimD4FzsVD


What nostr really needs to win is more billionaires with neck beards, and millennials who throw safe space tantrums when they cant edit their spelling mistakes. ✊


Instagram allows you to edit the caption.


 if what you're writing is so important proof read it most notes are not important enough for relays to store forever.

I say listen to nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9uq3xamnwvaz7tmhda6zuat50phjummwv5hsx7c9z9 Decentralized tech is important don't risk messing it up for some silly redundancy from big tech.

If anything we should keep brain storming completely different features big tech could never dream of... Zaps was a great start.... But we have stagnated in my humble opinion.... And trying to duplicate feature from other centralized anti freedom platforms is a step in the wrong direction.

My whole thing with nostr is focus on solving a whole different problems then big tech. Big tech is not successful in the long run big tech is literally needs government subsidies to survive.

I want nostr clients to be more like Craigslist I want nostr clients to take inspiration from services like robo-sats and pirate bay I believe mentioning any features from big tech is a grave mistake.


Yeah, but I'm on Amethyst, right now, and seeing edits, and it's disturbing.

Read a note, reply to the note makes no sense, see that the note is edited. 😬


Is there a lobbyist group on NOoooooostr now?


There is no referendum.
Edits are nonstandard bullshit and would make Nostr inherently slower and more complex.


Bro, the “vote” thing was a joke.

Maybe this can help: /s


My apologies then.


Leaders lead … same as always


Who said it doesn't? It's just a little slow. Frame rate is 1 frame per 10 minutes...


I vote for transparent edit, option to display original note.


Thank you for caring about this.


Onward 🫡


Unfollow teh editoors


He he broadcasts notes via relay beware, learn to check before you sign, lol what's next refundable Bitcoin transactions, GFY!


Can't that just be handled by the client?


Where to find more info about that?


Global warming is just planet doing it's thing


/s


What do you mean? Keen to learn more


Information has been hidden from other clients since the beginning of Nostr with groups and then with communities.

Those who limit themselves and do not implement it will simply be used less, this is not communism...


i mean i can absolutely imagine incrementally editing image, video, audio content is a bigger ask of a platform than editing text, analogous with the problems with large assets in git
(for text we have pretty much perfected diff algorithms, and it's dealing with much less data in the first place)


Without editing, doing this would be much harder than it already is.

I had to edit several times in Amethyst.

But choose whatever you think is best... The ones who are losing content and users are the ones who don't use it.

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Yes. There will be no git on Nostr unless there is an edit...

People here are not realizing that all it would take is to integrate the edits, basically saying:

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What do you mean by diff algorithms? Why do you think diff algorithms are even needed in this case? Maybe I'm missing something, but both text and video and images could all just be replaced entirely, therefore the difficulty is the same everywhere.

If the edit was actually a diff on Nostr it would make more sense.


Voting? What is this, a democracy all of a sudden?


Create a “diff” note NIP that clients can use to update the original as if it were edited