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 when I first came here I thought “nostranaut” would make the most sense, but “nostrich” has grown on me 
 I noticed “E-cash disrespectoor” in your bio @captain ☦️ compromised 

I’m still trying to form an opinion. I had a call with someone yesterday who shared some skepticism on eCash with me. Can you tell me more about your view? 
 Thanks, I’m following both of them now, too.

I’ve always had the assumption that a payment for a good/service always has counter-party risk with whoever you’re exchanging with.

So I would never consider eCash self-custodial, but I’ve always thought of it more like a simplified UX involving an additional party for an already somewhat risky transaction.

You could give me 10,000 sats from cold storage and I might still run away with the coffee we had agreed I’d hand over in exchange. 
 “don’t worry ‘bout the mess, listen to the message”

he belongs on nostr 
 I would love to use a project like this. Anyone working on it yet? nostr:note1435l7dw2u30vtg89sw4r0ndfravz5dsxktlpe0pasyte6gdvn3aqt87etn 
 I actually love the simplicity. Seems like it might be a simple onboarding to the something like the @Highlighter experience? @PABLOF7z have you played with this kind of idea? 
 Thank you for sharing my article nostr:npub1hxjnw53mhghumt590kgd3fmqme8jzwwflyxesmm50nnapmqdzu7sw... 
 I always read MSM as an insult, tbh :P

“Independent voices” are my fav even if they’ve amassed a bigger audience 
 🤝 😉 
 #BITCOIN HAS NO MARKETING TEAM 
 we are all bitcoin’s marketing team 
 marketing takes many forms

satoshi was marketing when he posted on the bitcointalk forum 
 Bit-life crisis: The moment in your bitcoin journey where… 

- your stacks stop moving the need... 
 a.k.a. freedom 
 They never noticed nostr enough to try it. How should we reach these communities?

Would a subreddit-like structure help everyone gather?


https://image.nostr.build/dcc7536d2ea432489e11b81e2435f09096000bba4edd3fd8d900904cc0acf9c8.png 
 how do you gather with your community to discuss papers? 
 I don’t identify as a communist, but…

after understanding bitcoin, I find non-bitcoin property rights kind of arbitrary 
 I’ve got a weird idea for a new nostr social media app. Probably the simplest first-time UX ever.

1. Show 10 curated notes which are interesting for some reason (got a lot of zaps, good topic for a newcomer, well-known author, about a current event, etc.)

2. Instruct the user to pick their favorite note of the 10.

3. Include another 10 notes based on some characteristic which distinguished the note they choose (topic of the note, replies to the note, other notes from the same author, etc.)

4. Goto step 2

After a dozen or so iterations of this you know topics/people that are active on nostr that this new user is interested in without any explicit topic selection or people following.

Store the clickstream (signed) on a relay so other clients could use this data to build upon it.

Maybe never bother with the concept of following? idk, wdyt? 
 oh kinda like @Karnage‘s AirNote design? 
 i read/commented on his design so it was probably in my head when writing this 
 that works, but it’s a lot of work to find the good stuff

as nostr grows larger this gets even harder, computers are tools that could help us with this problem 
 the hardest thing for shitcoiners to understand about nostr is that it doesn't have or need a con... 
 true. “blockchains” are good for something, but not this stuff 
 Zaps are great and all, but I think they're much more important to bitcoin's adoption than to nos... 
 zaps on nostr are the primary way I use bitcoin/lightning payments today. number 2 way is not even close in frequency/quantity.

nostr is the best use-case for bitcoin payments we’ve ever seen. bitcoin payments was never was about coffee, but about new internet-native use-cases. 
 I do the same! Great nostr tip DK! Algo store coming….eventually! Haha nostr:note1700zee6yty65l... 
 can’t wait for algo store!

let’s harness the power of algos for our own purposes 💜 
 “#Bitcoin is a soft fork of American values”

via @Adarnit’s profile bio 
 Just a reminder… if you want to find more people to follow on nostr, one of the best ways right now is to visit the “following” list from the profile of someone who’s taste you generally trust.

I just followed everyone @moneyball is following. It’s a modest number, but pretty well curated. I don’t know if he endorses everyone on it, fwiw, but it’s a good starter list for anyone new to nostr. You can always try it and unfollow anyone who is noisy or doesn’t fit your interest/taste.

You can check my “following” list, too, but I’m prob more experimental/liberal with my choice to follow people.

an algorithm could help us make this kind of thing less tedious 
 Fat zaps are cool but have you tried anon zaps? 😎 
 how do you do anon zaps? 
 👀🙏 
 Who am I not following yet who has been zapped by people I am following/have zapped?

algorithms can be built to serve people instead of corporations 
 I’m not familiar with the zap feed of Mutiny. I’ve used the wallet/PWA plenty.

Upon revisiting I see a tab to “Find your friends on nostr”, but I didn’t quite understand if there’s a good way to see stuff from everyone I’m connected to (e.g. paste my npub somewhere?) 
 oh cool… yeah I onboarded awhile ago so didn’t hit this during onboarding. I’ll set it up now. Is the idea to be a full consumption/publishing client for kind 1 events (minimally?) or are you focusing on a subset of functionality around payments/discovery? 
 Let’s explore more new UXes on nostr. It’s one of the superpowers of being here. This is a good idea from Oscar.

Also, I’d like to see a bunch of views around most-zapped. Primal has Most-zapped 4h, but I’d also be interested to see most-zapped 24 hour, most-zapped 7 days, most-zapped from my network for those time periods, etc. nostr:note10ldm4vswgf3d4s6muarrd9mrvzmrftkxvug3df6r37jl035y7snspv83xj 
 Oh cool… guessing those filters should make it to the mobile app, too? I would use them a lot.

cc @miljan 
 While Elon wishes to reach Uranus, I am here wishing improved NIP coverage across all of our majo... 
 we are the same 🤝 
 This is probably one of those weeks where decades happen.  
 gm to you, too!  🫡 
 Has anyone successfully run AMAs on Nostr?

What has worked or not worked? 
 sure! what do you want to know? 
 “my sweet submissive subject”
https://m.primal.net/IhbP.jpg 
 any question is fine. i was thinking it’d be nice to have a way to gather a bunch of people all interested in a person/topic and be able to fire away questions and have the result all organized for future readers. this is popular on Reddit/StackerNews and i thought it would be nice to have something like that on nostr 
 what the heck! how did that happen? 
 love these kinds of stories 💜 
 do you preform these days? make a video for nostr to practice with an audience! 
 i’ll play a piano cover of something if you’ve got requests to support you in solidarity 😅 
 They will find the friends that recommended that they sign up for nostr


nostr:nevent1qqs8y8ahhq... 
 do you suspect that generally works well enough right now or is there lore we could think of to improve? 
 i was just capturing the Coracle onboarding flows to share as part of my onboarding research. have you tweaked anything there recently? do you expect people onboard and figure out what to do alright? 
 i like the topic selection followed by follow suggestion. haven’t seen other apps that do this yet, but absent any data my best guess would be that this is effective.

i thjnk i understand that groups is more the focus of coracle than feeds. how do these recommendations play into groups? 
 i liked the concept of serving groups on nostr the way you originally articulated it. i think groups are great because they’re easy to get connected and see the right people/ideas to match your interest. much easier than with open publishing/feeds. maybe a good way to gather people before letting them loose into the wild open 😉

coracle has always been a feed system, too, right? have you considered moving away from feeds and just focusing the whole experience of Coracle on groups?

seems very differentiated and useful to me 
 also, some groups have a bit of publishing feel to them, especially the larger they are 
 and now for some divergent thinking/brainstorm… 🤔 

wouldn’t it be fun if we had a signal/whatsapp/telegram group that we could invite a few like-minded people to and have a group chat where each message gets published as nostr notes?

eventually the group chat could prob be nostr-ized, but experimental idea is more behavioral and content focused. freedom tech version could catch up once proven? 
 love this! 
 when a new person signs up for nostr, what do you think they are expecting to find? 
 i’ve seen a lot of bitcoin stuff, but fortunately haven’t run into much of the other 
 do you folks at Damus tweak onboarding much or just set it and assume it’s “about good enough” for now?

i’m trying to learn if there are onboarding best practices that more clients could share to help nostr succeed faster 
 i like the way @hodlbod has people choose topics of interest before getting to suggestions of people. feels like a good way to set strong context about why i am following certain people. though then not seeing them in a feed without specifically navigating there makes me think the purpose may be a bit different than i was expecting.

i’m interested to see if/how this could improve FTUX and onboarding and ultimately retention in a feed based system

let me know if i can help brainstorm more onboarding experiments 
 do you think they find that? 
 yeah, i’m here for the ideology of what it can be and to be part of a frontier that’s just getting explored 
 🫡 
 “come for the X, stay for the censorship-resistant social media”

solve for X 
 not the X I had in mind 😝 
 I like that. Memes lead the way 
 The problem with follower counts is skewed incentives

Not only does it incentivize certain types... 
 agreed, also, in the long run i think people will choose transparent algorithms to connect them to people/ideas they like rather than pure chronological follow feeds, so at best following is short cut to train your own algo on what you want 
 looks like steadily improving 30 day retention in several recent monthly cohorts!

i suspect some of this comes down to great onboarding. would any client developers who have better than average onboarding stats for their app relative to the network be willing to share their numbers?

we should share best practices about onboarding to make the protocol stronger for everyone
https://m.primal.net/Igix.png 
 And, let's be honest, most of the zaps most devs get are from other devs, so nobody is really tur... 
 circular economy! ⭕️ 
 freedom tech makes me optimistic about tech 
 Going to be offline for the next 4 weeks or so doing a ~800km trek across Spain. Ill try to respo... 
 safe travels! 
 I’ve been extremely behind on publishing things for nostr:npub1w9wuqc3s6lr25c4sgj52werj3tngvt43... 
 how do you decide what cadence you aim for? does quantity impact quality in your experience? 
 which client in nostr has the best onboarding experience?

in traditional centralized social networks there is a tremendous amount of effort given to helping users onboard well (get connected, setup profile, learn how it works, etc.) and have a great first time user experience. there are often dedicated teams working on constantly measuring and improving “FTUX”

the reason for all this effort is that it has a huge impact on user retention

nostr doesn’t do this and consequently has very weak retention 
 you are a product tester here on nostr. don’t assume you’re doing something wrong just because an app isn’t working as you expect. document issues you’re having and share with the developers. even just tag developers in a note to ask questions.

nostr:note1ukp9qsvz8ng0dzemsssg0aparsxzpd0nkr7xzhmx5q7vnpywasvq0vyfsg 
 i suspect a lot of people feel like they should know how it works already or that they’re probably doing something wrong.

if you’re confused about anything ask the question. other people are probably similarly confused and the developer who looks at it every day probably doesn’t know about the confusion. 
 if you know the feedback is about a specific nostr client then tag in the client developer in a public note 

if you have feedback on a more general protocol issue try engaging on the github or tag relevant protocol devs here (review the NIPs and you should be able to figure out who it might be good to connect with)

if you really can’t tell where something should go complain to me here and i’ll try to route it to a helpful person 
 normalize zapping hard
👇
@FatZaps 
 Time and time again, when I interact with a “crypto” professional, they prove to be takers. T... 
 new boss, same as the old boss

no boss? very different outcome 
 One of my takeaways from #OFF was one of the incredible powers Twitter has at directing the state... 
 what are the most important but currently underserved initiatives needed to make nostr a success?