I noticed “E-cash disrespectoor” in your bio @captain ☦️ compromised
I’m still trying to form an opinion. I had a call with someone yesterday who shared some skepticism on eCash with me. Can you tell me more about your view?
Thanks, I’m following both of them now, too.
I’ve always had the assumption that a payment for a good/service always has counter-party risk with whoever you’re exchanging with.
So I would never consider eCash self-custodial, but I’ve always thought of it more like a simplified UX involving an additional party for an already somewhat risky transaction.
You could give me 10,000 sats from cold storage and I might still run away with the coffee we had agreed I’d hand over in exchange.
I actually love the simplicity. Seems like it might be a simple onboarding to the something like the @Highlighter experience? @PABLOF7z have you played with this kind of idea?
I’ve got a weird idea for a new nostr social media app. Probably the simplest first-time UX ever.
1. Show 10 curated notes which are interesting for some reason (got a lot of zaps, good topic for a newcomer, well-known author, about a current event, etc.)
2. Instruct the user to pick their favorite note of the 10.
3. Include another 10 notes based on some characteristic which distinguished the note they choose (topic of the note, replies to the note, other notes from the same author, etc.)
4. Goto step 2
After a dozen or so iterations of this you know topics/people that are active on nostr that this new user is interested in without any explicit topic selection or people following.
Store the clickstream (signed) on a relay so other clients could use this data to build upon it.
Maybe never bother with the concept of following? idk, wdyt?
that works, but it’s a lot of work to find the good stuff
as nostr grows larger this gets even harder, computers are tools that could help us with this problem
zaps on nostr are the primary way I use bitcoin/lightning payments today. number 2 way is not even close in frequency/quantity.
nostr is the best use-case for bitcoin payments we’ve ever seen. bitcoin payments was never was about coffee, but about new internet-native use-cases.
Just a reminder… if you want to find more people to follow on nostr, one of the best ways right now is to visit the “following” list from the profile of someone who’s taste you generally trust.
I just followed everyone @moneyball is following. It’s a modest number, but pretty well curated. I don’t know if he endorses everyone on it, fwiw, but it’s a good starter list for anyone new to nostr. You can always try it and unfollow anyone who is noisy or doesn’t fit your interest/taste.
You can check my “following” list, too, but I’m prob more experimental/liberal with my choice to follow people.
an algorithm could help us make this kind of thing less tedious
I’m not familiar with the zap feed of Mutiny. I’ve used the wallet/PWA plenty.
Upon revisiting I see a tab to “Find your friends on nostr”, but I didn’t quite understand if there’s a good way to see stuff from everyone I’m connected to (e.g. paste my npub somewhere?)
oh cool… yeah I onboarded awhile ago so didn’t hit this during onboarding. I’ll set it up now. Is the idea to be a full consumption/publishing client for kind 1 events (minimally?) or are you focusing on a subset of functionality around payments/discovery?
Let’s explore more new UXes on nostr. It’s one of the superpowers of being here. This is a good idea from Oscar.
Also, I’d like to see a bunch of views around most-zapped. Primal has Most-zapped 4h, but I’d also be interested to see most-zapped 24 hour, most-zapped 7 days, most-zapped from my network for those time periods, etc. nostr:note10ldm4vswgf3d4s6muarrd9mrvzmrftkxvug3df6r37jl035y7snspv83xj
any question is fine. i was thinking it’d be nice to have a way to gather a bunch of people all interested in a person/topic and be able to fire away questions and have the result all organized for future readers. this is popular on Reddit/StackerNews and i thought it would be nice to have something like that on nostr
i was just capturing the Coracle onboarding flows to share as part of my onboarding research. have you tweaked anything there recently? do you expect people onboard and figure out what to do alright?
i like the topic selection followed by follow suggestion. haven’t seen other apps that do this yet, but absent any data my best guess would be that this is effective.
i thjnk i understand that groups is more the focus of coracle than feeds. how do these recommendations play into groups?
i liked the concept of serving groups on nostr the way you originally articulated it. i think groups are great because they’re easy to get connected and see the right people/ideas to match your interest. much easier than with open publishing/feeds. maybe a good way to gather people before letting them loose into the wild open 😉
coracle has always been a feed system, too, right? have you considered moving away from feeds and just focusing the whole experience of Coracle on groups?
seems very differentiated and useful to me
and now for some divergent thinking/brainstorm… 🤔
wouldn’t it be fun if we had a signal/whatsapp/telegram group that we could invite a few like-minded people to and have a group chat where each message gets published as nostr notes?
eventually the group chat could prob be nostr-ized, but experimental idea is more behavioral and content focused. freedom tech version could catch up once proven?
do you folks at Damus tweak onboarding much or just set it and assume it’s “about good enough” for now?
i’m trying to learn if there are onboarding best practices that more clients could share to help nostr succeed faster
i like the way @hodlbod has people choose topics of interest before getting to suggestions of people. feels like a good way to set strong context about why i am following certain people. though then not seeing them in a feed without specifically navigating there makes me think the purpose may be a bit different than i was expecting.
i’m interested to see if/how this could improve FTUX and onboarding and ultimately retention in a feed based system
let me know if i can help brainstorm more onboarding experiments
agreed, also, in the long run i think people will choose transparent algorithms to connect them to people/ideas they like rather than pure chronological follow feeds, so at best following is short cut to train your own algo on what you want
looks like steadily improving 30 day retention in several recent monthly cohorts!
i suspect some of this comes down to great onboarding. would any client developers who have better than average onboarding stats for their app relative to the network be willing to share their numbers?
we should share best practices about onboarding to make the protocol stronger for everyone
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which client in nostr has the best onboarding experience?
in traditional centralized social networks there is a tremendous amount of effort given to helping users onboard well (get connected, setup profile, learn how it works, etc.) and have a great first time user experience. there are often dedicated teams working on constantly measuring and improving “FTUX”
the reason for all this effort is that it has a huge impact on user retention
nostr doesn’t do this and consequently has very weak retention
you are a product tester here on nostr. don’t assume you’re doing something wrong just because an app isn’t working as you expect. document issues you’re having and share with the developers. even just tag developers in a note to ask questions.
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i suspect a lot of people feel like they should know how it works already or that they’re probably doing something wrong.
if you’re confused about anything ask the question. other people are probably similarly confused and the developer who looks at it every day probably doesn’t know about the confusion.
if you know the feedback is about a specific nostr client then tag in the client developer in a public note
if you have feedback on a more general protocol issue try engaging on the github or tag relevant protocol devs here (review the NIPs and you should be able to figure out who it might be good to connect with)
if you really can’t tell where something should go complain to me here and i’ll try to route it to a helpful person
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