@86d896d8@b870d4c8
The crooked #Tories are reshaping boundaries as one element toward giving themselves a chance at #GE2024.
This move & requiring ID to vote, has eerie voter suppression echoes of what the #Republicans / #GOP are doing in the US!
As they say: "When the US sneezes, the UK catches a cold". 🤷🏾♂️
@ee4cb8b5@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@02439a38
Typical! And you conveniently miss out the rest of the policy, which is to fix the NHS by any means necessary now, so people DON'T DIE whilst waiting for operations.
In the future & once things are stabilised, we can then start the reversal of creeping privatisation.
You're complete deluded if you honestly believe Labour can reverse 13 years of catestrophic damage within a parliamentary term, let alone on day one.
Mate, get real! 🙄
@7ec78d4a@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8@ee4cb8b5
You speak for millions who did the same, just as I did.
2019 was a painful & sobering experience. I like it to watching a fatal car crash in slow motion, & screaming warnings to the occupants which was ignored... 🤷🏾♂️
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
1/ Mate, as Labour keep saying, it wasn't Labour's message which lost them the last election, it was the messenger, but Corbyn's disciples wouldn't listen.
#Labour HASN'T changed that much. Where we differ from Corbyn is our approach. It's all great & well saying *STOP NHS PRIVATISATION*, but stop it how, & how quickly? 🤔
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
2/ These are the practical questions where the far left fall down. They refuse to engage with these questions, because to do so & being realistic & practical, makes them sound too much like #Tory light #Starmer.
This is why big corporations see #Labour as a party they can do business with. There are tough decisions to be made, but they're not chatting pie in the sky, unworkable crap as a unicorn solution to the UK's woes. 🦄. 🤷🏾♂️
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
1/ Mate, as Labour keep saying, it wasn't Labour's message which lost them the last election, it was the messenger, but Corbyn's disciples wouldn't listen.
#Labour HASN'T changed that much. Where we differ from Corbyn is our approach. It's all great & well saying *STOP NHS PRIVATISATION*, but stop it how, & how quickly? 🤔
@ee4cb8b5@8c2ace29@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8
You evidently struggle at dot connecting. 🙄
Labour was in the grip of the unhinged left. After the disastrous election they were scrabbling around for #Corbyn MKII, which would have been a disaster for Labour's future.
What is in #Starmer's heart, & what realistically needs to be done in power are two different things.
He doesn't want the NHS privatised, so perhaps you can explain what SKS should do in day one to tackle this one issue?
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
This is my whole point, & why the #Labour Party don't/can't engage with far left Corbynista's. They're the absolute definition of a cult!
They joined in 2015 to ensure #Corbyn became leader, & most left in 2020 when he stepped down. The rest have distanced themselves from mainstream Labour, & instead have chosen to inhabit the political sidelines, lobbing granades us! 🙄
They'd rather another 5 years of #Tory rule, than seeing #Starmer in No10 😳
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
I DON'T support #Starmer. I support #Labour. I've no idea how I can make this any clearer.
I've read through the boosted posts & replies, & realised that you've not answered any of my pertinent questions.
May I ask why? 🤔
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Mate, no one cares what you think. Is your life that empty that all you've got left is memories of Jeremy #Corbyn, & your evident hatred for Sir Keir #Starmer? Oh dear! 😂
It's like Labour's your ex that you can't get over, & #Starmer's his/her new fella & you've got a picture of him pinned to your dart board, so you can lob your arrows at his face! 😂😂
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Mate don't get it twisted. #Labour are taking nothing for granted.
We just don't want or need people like you on our backs like a sack of spuds.
You sound like a saddo who's obsessed with his ex 5 years after the breakup, who can't stop boring people to death over what went wrong.
Who cares? It's over & done with mate. Move on. Trust me bruv, this ain't a good look... 😳
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
I'm being realistic. Now why don't you run along, fund some #Tories & put your efforts into finding out from them, why they've trashed the UK they way they have?
#Labour doesn't want or need you, hence why no one's arsed who you vote for. Mate, you Corbynista's are a complete irrelevance... 🙄
@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
We don't want or need your vote mate
Haven't you noticed no one gives a rat's arse what you do? 🙄
We just want you to go in peace. Join Momentum & be happy, but above all else, just leave #Labour alone
You're not wanted or needed. I know it'll probably hurt your feelings, but this is why no normal people want to engage with you Corbynista's
How many hours have you spent today bellyaching about 2019 FFS 🙄
It's done! It's gone! Move on!
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
I'm a #Labour campaigner. I don't follow cult personalities like Corbynista's do. Neither do I hang around like a soggy fart where I'm not wanted.
The #Tories have torn the UK apart, & all you have time to do is bellyache about #Starmer...
How sad... How very creepy & very sad. 😳
@ee4cb8b5@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8
Who cares about 10 blummin pledges from 5 years ago? Haven't you been paying attention to global events since? 🙄
The world's changed & evidently left you behind mate...
1/ Have YOU got a better alternative to offer? And talking about obsessions, what's your about in respect to #Starmer & #Labour?
We don't want or need you, so why don't you convince #Momentum to incorporate themselves, join forces with the Breakthrough party & NIP, enter the...
@ee4cb8b5@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8
2/ race for #GE2024 with #Corbyn as your leader, McDonnell & Abbott etc as your executive? 🤔
I'll be more than happy for you to switch to a party representing your far left utopia, where you'll be happy & so will #Labour Party members.
I've no idea why the far left keep hanging around around Labour like an unwanted soggy fart?
You offer nothing constructive & seem stuck in a 2019 groundhog Day.
Read your bellyaching posts & reflect mate... 🙄
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@ee4cb8b5@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8
Who cares about 10 blummin pledges from 5 years ago? Haven't you been paying attention to global events since? 🙄
The world's changed & evidently left you behind mate...
1/ Have YOU got a better alternative to offer? And talking about obsessions, what's your about in respect to #Starmer & #Labour?
We don't want or need you, so why don't you convince #Momentum to incorporate themselves, join forces with the Breakthrough party & NIP, enter the...
@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Your initial statement seems closer to the mark. I can't make my POV any clearer. However if you're resolute in your Corbynesque beliefs, then I can't help you.
I think it best you find a far left alternative & leave #Starmer & #Labour to forge its own path.
Even today we don't all agree in the Labour Party, but we have a common purpose to rid the UK of the #Tories, & to start the arduous task of reversing 13 years of damage & corruption
@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Also, can you answer my question? 🤷🏾♂️
Given the choice of Labour in power under a new leader, or Labour in opposition with Corbyn as Leader, which would you prefer? 🤔
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Mate, you engaged with me! 🙄
I've given up trying to reason with far left Corbynista's. We get it. You HATE #Starmer & many of you would rather another 5 years of the #Tories, than see SKS as PM.
I'm not trying to change your mind. All I'm saying is seeing as you dislike Starmer so much, why don't you form/find another party to put your energies into, & leave Labour alone?
If you leave us alone, you'll get no push-back from me fella... 🙏🏾🤷🏾♂️
@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Your initial statement seems closer to the mark. I can't make my POV any clearer. However if you're resolute in your Corbynesque beliefs, then I can't help you.
I think it best you find a far left alternative & leave #Starmer & #Labour to forge its own path.
Even today we don't all agree in the Labour Party, but we have a common purpose to rid the UK of the #Tories, & to start the arduous task of reversing 13 years of damage & corruption
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
No worries mate. Like yourself, I'm here to share knowledge & to learn too.
#Corbyn showed how useless he was for falling for the trap. What happened on 13th December 2019, is exactly as Blair predicted on 2nd September.
Egged on by #Momentum & their belief they could mobilised the greatest election campaign force in history, they too believed Corbyn would win easily.
In that moment, he proved what a naive political fool he was. 🙄
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
No. It all depended on Labour votes. The DUP had a confidence & supply arrangement with the Tories.
The SNP were on course to wipe out Labour, so agreed. Jo Swindon believed the Lib Dems could win so she too fell for the Tories demand for an election, but it still wasn't enough.
After warnings from Blair, Brown & Campbell, this made Corbyn bite back & agree to the election in September 2019.
It signalled the end for #Labour. 🤷🏾♂️
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
The night of that fateful TV debate, I felt something die inside of me! 😪
Labour activists were crushed & the stench of impending defeat never left us.
All we could hear on the doorstep is "It's not Labour, it's Corbyn. Can't you get rid of him?"
Blair Brown & Campbell warned him NOT to agree to an election, but because they suggested it, it seemed that's what pushed him over the edge into agreeing to have one.
What a fuckin disaster!
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
Because of Corbyn's ambiguous flip flopping on Brexit since the referendum, Labour were already on notice.
Theresa May knew Brexit would be a disaster, so trying to be sensible offered no clear differential between the #Tories & #Labour, hence her losing her wafer thin majority in 2017.
Doris came along with 'Get Brexit Done' & put distance between the parties. Corbyn was all over the place, & support ebbed away to the charismatic Doris.
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
Just before GE2019. Go to 20 seconds in. Prior to this Doris challenged him to confirm if he'd campaign for Remain or Leave if he won & got his 2nd referendum.
He was asked several times, & REFUSED to answer, leaving himself looking like a disingenuous clown! This was the night Labour's election hopes died in front of a national TV audience!
The day after, Corbyn came out & said Remain, BUT it was too late! 🙄
https://youtu.be/WblD51H5ggI?si=6qsV5x384UP3QWRr
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
1/ If only we knew then what we know now about Brexit, & an 80% Remain #Labour Party wasn't led by a man who was a career-long Eurosceptic hey? 🤔
This was the dilemma #Corbyn faced. His party wanted one thing, but his heart was set on the UK being outside the EU.
What a fuckin mess! 🙄
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
2/ So what effort did #Corbyn put into the Brexit Ref? What effort did he put into a 2nd Ref? He couldn't even say which way he'd campaign if he got a 2nd Ref!
Don't you recall Corbyn's disastrous head to head TV debate? Well that's when Labour support totally collapsed in the polls.
As for the 2nd Ref being #Starmer's fault? A 2nd Ref was PARTY POLICY! Corbyn was leader & made the final decisions, so how's that Starmer's problem? 🤔
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Mate, if it was up to me, the remnants of the far left would have been permanently ejected in 2020! 😳
I'd have given them £1m in #Labour funds so Momentum, Breakthrough Party & NIP could form a new far left party under Corbyn, where you could've reunited & had Jon McDonnell, Diane Abbott, Ian Lavery, Jon Trickett & Laura Smith as your new front bench.
The UK rejected Foot in 1982. They Rejected Corbyn in 2019. You had your chances & blew them! 🤷🏾♂️
@a8a3ca9d@b870d4c8@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
Ian Lavery Jon Trickett & Laura Smith? 🙄
Mate, please get serious! They were all complicit with Corbyn's disastrous reign!
They've ALL been despatched from frontline politics, & now Labour's sporting a 20% poll lead. I wonder why?
Who was party leader when the 2nd Ref was proposed? Are you saying #Starmer threatened #Corbyn & made him make it Labour Party Policy? 🤔
Well if Corbyn was that weak, he had no business being Labour Leader!😳
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
The reason these people are donating to #Labour? Because they are talking political sense & reality, & they ain't the basket case of Corbyn's or Johnson's parties.
I'll ask you again... If an DAY ONE, #Starmer got rid of all private companies servicing the NHS, who replaces them, CONSIDERING they currently have 160k vacancies?
Please concentrate on this one point & explain how YOU think it should get rid of ALL NHS private contractors? 🤔
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Jeez! I dunno where to start with that pile of crap! 🙄
The UK's broke. Our debt/GDP is running at 101.3%. Please explain to me how would YOU fund the extra funding for the NHS on day one, & fill the 160k job vacancies? 🤔
You do know there were SEVERAL PFI models? Some worked, some didn't, but again at the time our crumbling schools, hospitals & public buildings needed replacing, & the UK was skint.
Where dya expect the money to come from? 😳
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
I didn't ask for the negative of what I asked, I asked for YOUR solutions to avoid austerity, NHS privatisation, reduce poverty, falling wages & rip-off utilities?
The last paragraph was me paraphrasing the reasons trotted out by the far left for #Labour's GE2019 dry bumming
I repeat: "We won all the arguments" 🙄
The far left got their way & increased Labour's membership by 290k. This being the case, why did Labour get Slaughtered?
@b870d4c8@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38
1/ If only we knew then what we know now about Brexit, & an 80% Remain #Labour Party wasn't led by a man who was a career-long Eurosceptic hey? 🤔
This was the dilemma #Corbyn faced. His party wanted one thing, but his heart was set on the UK being outside the EU.
What a fuckin mess! 🙄
@a8a3ca9d@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
No! Like I said, it wasn't Corbyn's policies so much that were the issue, it was #Corbyn himself, but would the Corbynista's listen? Hell no! 🙄
Also, as it stands an election hasn't been called, therefore Labour hasn't released its manifesto. This being the case, why all the guesswork & criticism?
Also... Given the choice of Labour in power under a new leader, or Labour in opposition with Corbyn as Leader, which would you prefer? 🤔
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
As the far left were repeatedly told, it wasn't the #Labour message, it was the messenger. But would you listen? 🤔
Now show me where #Starmer has advocated against any of the above, his reasons why & the timescales involved? 🤷🏾♂️
@ae777baa
Yup! He cancelled & shut me down too for the most innocuous of posts... 🙄
I'm of the mind that I was on a hit list because my pinned Tweet was detailed instructions of how to join Mastodon, plus I'd been heavily critical of his #Twitter policy, which saw the restoration of thousands of banned far right accounts in the name of 'free speech'. 😳
@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8
Yet #Labour are being crucified by a tiny, but very vocal far left minority who believe #Starmer should spill his guts over Labour's strategy for winning GE2024, & tie itself to any policies stated during that quest, BEFORE they've even had a chance to scrutinise the books if they win! 😳
It's blummin amatuerish nonsense mate, illustrating 2 things:
1. Those demanding this have never negotiated in business
2. #Corbyn tried this in 2019 🙄
@ee4cb8b5@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8
OK, let's get into specifics. Tell me what concerns you about #Labour. Why? Ask the points in concise question form, & I'll be happy to oblige.
Then we can progress onto what your alternative #GE2024 strategy is, who you intend to vote for & why.
After this we can then dissect, contrast & compare Labour & it's strategy today, as opposed to 2019.
Is this OK with you?
@ee4cb8b5@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8
Well I'm part of Labour's policy platform & I can tell you with 100% certainty, you haven't a clue what Labour's detailed plans are, outside of what the Mail, Express, Telegraph & KGB News claim.
When playing poker, do you reveal your hand just to be seen as being open & transparent? If you believe a poker player should, no wonder Labour got bludgeoned in 2019! 🙄
Why don't you join Momentum, Breakthrough Party, NIP etc, as you'll be well suited?
@1db84e73
Exactly! Madness personified!
As @DrEliseUK & Professor Cywinski said, this is pure unadulterated gaslighting from the #Tories.
Then right on Cue, who pops up out of his trash can? Nazi Nige!
Yup, Nigel Führer is bleating that a return to #Horizon in any form is a betrayal & reversal of Brexit, & UK science would be better collaborating with itself, rather than Johnny Foreigner. 🙄
This far right one trick pony is hoping to pull the same stunt he pulled in 2014 will work again
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
I'm not hoping, I've a pretty good idea what #Starmer plans to do in power.
What he has to do & say to get to that major staging post is another thing altogether, & is probably where you're getting things all twisted.
Have you actually sought to find out what Labour are planning, or is the above, more of your predictions? 🤔
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Are you Mystic Meg back from the dead? 😳
How do you know what I really think? I'm already stating what I think, so without knowing me, why are you doubting what I've said? 🤔
Again, you seem to be able to predict what #Starmer will do if #Labour win #GE2024. How do you what SKS will do in power?
I take it you're party to Labour's policy platform, & have prior knowledge of its next manifesto?
If not, where've all your predictions come from? 🦄
@a8a3ca9d@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
The #Tories have been in power for 13 years, & you're quite correct. They DEFINITELY are the party of change.
Our NHS was the best in the world. Now look at the change.
Until the 2008 crash, our economy was forging ahead. Now look at the change.
Huge investment became austerity. Now look at the change.
Wages inline with inflation. Now look at the change.
We had EU access. Now look at the change.
Should we look forward to more Tory changes? 🤔
@ee4cb8b5@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8
OK, so you're hoping for a #Labour win? 🤔
Great! Not everyone in Labour agrees with everything in Labour, but we're in broad agreement & finally at peace.
If you want to be a part of Labour's change, you can't do that from the Grandstand hurling criticism at those on the field of play trying to effect change.
If you've not been a part of Labour's policy platform, how dya know what they're even proposing to put in their #GE2024 manifesto? 🤔
@8c2ace29@ee4cb8b5@a8a3ca9d@02439a38@b870d4c8
If you look at #Starmer's pre-Leadership politics, it give a strong clue to who the man is.
There's also the issue of what can be realistically achieved on day 1 in power. There has to be a period of transition, hence why I've been asking the Corbynista's what THEY'D suggest be done on day 1 regarding private companies in the NHS & not ONE of them has come back with an answer!
It's easy lobbing grenades onto the pitch from the sidelines.
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