Oddbean new post about login | logout I think probably 95% of ppl will use CBDCs. They simply don’t give a fuck.
i refuse to learn what it is, i’ll never use it anyways
you will either use a cbdc or you will be using your sats, you have to eat, you have to pay your bills
not at that point yet
but you will be by 2032
no
it is coming soon, im afraid but maybe usa can protect it self better than eu, who knows technical cbdc guidelines from germany office for information security just dropped today.. UK too https://i.nostr.build/AG6G.jpg https://i.nostr.build/nlzq.jpg
Using sats will be the only way you can exceed your carbon allocation and eat anything other than carbs and bugs.
Green paper and orange internet coin only
Orange coin good
I don't see the difference between using a dollar to buy Bitcoin and using a CBDC to buy Bitcoin. So I guess I am in that 95% of people that won't give a fuck?
after few tries they will stop you "for your own safety" :-)
lol your cbdc money will be programmable telling what you can use it for and what you can't use it for. It will also have a time limit on it no more savings
The inability to save with it will ultimately destroy it. People will accept invasion of their privacy. But they won't accept restriction of their liberty and freedom. Like the ability to save securely..🧡😊🦍🇺🇸🗽
You are blind brother.
Am I? I don't keep more than a month's worth of Fiat. And never stack KYC. How would that have a meaningful effect on my life?
They will use the CBDC. They will eat the bug burgers. They will mind their carbon footprint. They will fret about their social credit score. nostr:nevent1qqsry0c7uveexf8979hgd68ld7pmujyz8zlwxlgk0ycauw4x4r8zf5gpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdupzq70dczkpfgvxvpswkknyqua0d0u8ec8umz68k5ggz0e72k05u2slqvzqqqqqqypdy5ka
More then you know. nostr:nevent1qqsry0c7uveexf8979hgd68ld7pmujyz8zlwxlgk0ycauw4x4r8zf5gprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68yct5dyhxxmmdqgs8nmwq4s22rpnqvr445eq88tmtlp7wplxck3a4zzqn70j4na8z58crqsqqqqqpn3hfy7
Look at the vax statistics of Australia, Canada, Europe, and the U.S. That should give a good baseline to make some projections around CBDC compliance. Not saying it will overlay perfectly, but it’s not a bad place to start.
YUP. THAT INCLUDES MOST OF BITCOIN TWITTER TOO. FOCUS ON THE 5%. RIDE OR DIE ARE ALL THAT MATTER.
Most bitcoin twitter are just fiat maxis...
That's the main difference between Monero and Bitcoin. We are freedom maxis and >95% of people know why they own Monero. Bitcoin has been such a success because price appreciation marketed it to fiat maxis. Monero's success is growing in the dark.
I don't disagree. However, nobody cares about monero in reality, and the economic value keeps going down. What good is keeping one's savings privately if it constantly loses purchasing power? Better off keeping and using cash. Monero will keep trending towards zero against bitcoin and even the USD. Perhaps to go in and outnof via atomic swaps, but not really much else use for me. 95% of my bitcoin is kyc free, and completely separate from the kyc. That's just as private, however also provable as needed. To each their own.
To be fair, the vast majority of the world doesn't care about Bitcoin or Monero. If you believe Monero will continue to downtrend, why not just use it for transactional privacy and continue saving in Bitcoin? Cash is great locally but: Cant send cash instantly to anyone on the planet. Cant carry unlimited amounts in your head to avoid confiscation and theft. Issuance is centralized. Inflation is unpredictable. Difficult to verify authenticity of bills on-the-fly. No mechanism to verify supply. Not as easily divisible. Need to carry specific denominations for change. Can't trustlessly exchange for crypto (no atomic swaps) Different people can't have simultaneous ownership and control over the same cash (multisig) no-KYC Bitcoin doesn't make it private. No actions are hidden. Anyone in the world can see what you do, so you're more vulnerable to chain analysis. It does make it kind of anonymous though (hidden identity). Privacy and anonymity are both important to have.
It is anonymous, not private, correct. Being private defeats the point of having an open ledger that TX can be verified. I have no idea what I would ever do with monero. Nobody accepts it, there isn't online betting with it, I know literally 0 people that own it and would take it as a tip, for dinner payback, etc.. So what am I using it for? Transact how? I can't send zaps, or play blackjack, or buy something at my local Cafe or even buy and sell it at my local ATM like I can bitcoin. It lost 30% the other day when binance delisted. Soon the remaining ones will, as there is no reason for them to exchange and hold it. It's a great concept, but lost the battle. There is no use case currently that would be beneficial FOR ME. And most of even 'crypto' users. Perhaps I am missing something, but what?
You're right. If you don't have a need for it or find it useful then you don't. I'm simply saying there are more use cases for it and people who use it than you may think. Here is a large directory for places to spend it on white markets: https://monerica.com/ Here is a growing p2p white market: https://moneromarket.io/ @Mapletrade sells great maple syrup https://gratuitas.org sells great coffee @AUPA sells great pemmican bars Most FOSS privacy projects and businesses accept payment and even prefer donations in Monero (Tor, IVPN, Mullvad, SimpleLogin, AnonAddy, SimpleX, Molly, GrapheneOS, Silent Link, CoinCards, ShopInBit, etc) ...and of course it is the preferred and rising star of Freenet Markets Can't find a place you would spend? Only care about anonymity? Worse case you can purchase giftcards and virtual debits (more widely accepted than Bitcoin) cheaper using Monero (They don't know you were the one who purchased it - little to no info required at purchase - and you could have been given it as payment or as a gift from someone else): https://coincards.com/ https://www.coinsbee.com/ https://buy.cakepay.com/ Buy things from Amazon using Monero. The person buying it for you doesn't know who you are or your address. Amazon doesn't know it was purchased with Monero. https://monezon.com/ Atomic swaps popping up everywhere. BTC swaps: https://unstoppableswap.net/ https://basicswapdex.com/ https://code.samourai.io/wallet/comit-swaps-java/-/releases ETH and BCH have one and I see discussion amongst LTC for it. https://github.com/AthanorLabs/atomic-swap https://github.com/PHCitizen/bch-xmr-swap Serai and Haveno DEXs probably releasing sometime this year. Saw discussion amongst Thorchain DEX to introduce it (use asgarDEX frontend to avoid problems with the "official" frontend). You can also get it the old fashioned way with fiat p2p via LocalMonero or Bisq I think versus other crypto Monero is actually winning a battle that is not over yet. It's becoming less reliant on TradFi and centralized institutions...all this adversarial pressure is strengthening it...Less speculation, paper trading price manipulation, custodians, and KYC. This is the crucible. If it survives delistings it can survive anything. I don't think any other crypto would do this well in the same situation including Bitcoin. Many "privacy" coins also caved in to Binance demands of changing the protocol to suit them.
Cool. Thanks. I'll take a look. I've browsed the market before, for sure not my style. I'm betting in 10 years monero will be worth nothing, hence nobody will hold it. But I could certainly be wrong. All good, appreciate it!
95% of bitcoiners are fiat maxis
Could be. I'd say closer to 85-90.
Dude wtf happened to bitcoin twitter? They can’t see that bitcoin vs central banks and nostr vs centralized tech platforms is essentially the same battle.
They are number goes up guys. Not anything else.
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I think 100% will use them, but 50% will also use bitcoin for quality things they actually need that are experiencing shortages because of price controls 😉
we need to roast their stupidity until they get it https://image.nostr.build/59832c9f23024ce05b5ca2cb5680e5f68d4dc8ee163a79f2391eccbc4476a0ac.jpg
Even the CBDC-sceptics
Most people are sheep. Covid showed us yet again.
So many ECash simps somehow in Bitcoin prove this
They will use it until they can’t buy a steak with it and then they will discover the alternative. Hopefully, it won’t be too late for them at that point.
Canada is moving towards UBI. Nobody will give a fck about this either...🤷
i think AI will make lots of people jobless and some people will be forced to accept UBI which will come in CBDC format. 🤷♂️ nostr:note1xgl3acenjvjwtutwsm507murheygyw97ud73v7f3mca2d2xwyngsj8ffqs
Asch Conformity Experiment indicates that ~75% of people will conform to using a CBDC as dictated. Only ~25% of the population have mental autonomy. The largest social experiment comprising global mandates strongly supported these statistics.
Well the cbdc Is gonna tank alongside the other fiats so it'll take care of itself I rekon
Very good point.
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It'll be fiat on steroids. I wish them the best. Not everyone will come aboard the lifeboat. Just the way it is.
We need to make sure everyone's invited though
They have been for 15 years.
True. Let's keep sending those invites though.
I won't keep wasting my time on the same people. You can, but I'd rather focus on people who want to find the truth. The right people see my example and come to me. At least that's been my experience with the only people who have actually taken my advice to study Bitcoin.
Too simplistic a view. Many certainly won't care (until a lot of them will and the way out will be incredibly costly). Many others would care even now if they really understood the risks and consequences. The issue for a lot of people isn't ambivalence it is ignorance. Many others do current care but are not in positions to easily opt out (too much of life/ responsibilities/ daily expenses still in fiat) As for the rest who are taking action now in an attempt to maintain choice and freedom, we cannot predict or prepare for every threat vector. Bitcoin is the best opt out tool we have but to have it in a CBDC world won't guarantee access to anything more than CBDCs would afford us. This is because, although they are the worst kind of shitcoin imaginable, the problem isn't CBDCs, per say, but the completely captured and surveiled (global) economy that they make possible. Put another way, bitcoin cannot buy me a steak if there aren't any farmers to buy a steak from because all their land has been taken and given to megacorps and the entire supply chain is captured by the globalist cartel. If it got to this point, resistance will require a lot more than a bitcoin stash.
Higher. You’ll have to use it to pay taxes, registration fees, etc. Only way to not use it would be to move out of the US to a nation that isn’t a US vassal.
If you invite the slaves to your system because NGU made them believe they can make it within the system than you onboarded a lot of people that don't have been hardened to resist taxes. Instead they will use their Bitcoin gains to pay taxes. That's where Monero is important. It's success will be hidden from the plebs. It needs to be discovered one by one. Bitcoin alone is a toothless tiger. Only in cooperation with Monero will Bitcoin be able to achieve this goals.
Me, also will add to wallet if it's going to be easy enough. nostr:note1xgl3acenjvjwtutwsm507murheygyw97ud73v7f3mca2d2xwyngsj8ffqs
On the M1 in the UK, it's been there for around a year https://video.nostr.build/c87101d43435e7a5c6feb404f204732f01ba382e8a1c495b4edd197736f8349f.mp4#m=video%2Fmp4&dim=544x960&alt=Motorway+overpass+with+graffiti+&blurhash=%5DUDv.rRks%3AWBay_NWXt6WBj%40%25gjut7WBj%5BxubHt6a%7DjtoJfkj%5BjufkxuWBj%5Bayayt7ayofayayofj%5Bj%5BoeayWBofazofj%5B&x=123001b3063e37230ce4cbd4992e4d4386ce6baf28ac865fe9f29a936d26fd4b
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Their kids being hungry and cold will sober them right up. Some people just have to see it to believe it.
Especially when the gubberment give them "free" credit in their CBDC wallet. https://www.bsi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/EN/BSI/Publications/TechGuidelines/TR03179/TR03179-1.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=2 https://void.cat/d/LsZJxhEFK8LaDUEvQ37MC3.webp https://void.cat/d/9dE5Hy5ZU7pJRT1kBqs5JK.webp
Anyone who got the "vaccine" will be using CBDCs. That includes a large percentage of "Bitcoiners".
Agreed. It is going to be an uphill battle.
