I think probably 95% of ppl will use CBDCs. They simply don’t give a fuck.


i refuse to learn what it is, i’ll never use it anyways


I think it's higher


I don't see the difference between using a dollar to buy Bitcoin and using a CBDC to buy Bitcoin.
So I guess I am in that 95% of people that won't give a fuck?


They will use the CBDC.
They will eat the bug burgers.
They will mind their carbon footprint.
They will fret about their social credit score.
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More then you know.

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after few tries they will stop you "for your own safety" :-)


Look at the vax statistics of Australia, Canada, Europe, and the U.S.

That should give a good baseline to make some projections around CBDC compliance.

Not saying it will overlay perfectly, but it’s not a bad place to start.


lol your cbdc money will be programmable telling what you can use it for and what you can't use it for. It will also have a time limit on it no more savings


you will either use a cbdc or you will be using your sats, you have to eat, you have to pay your bills


not at that point yet


but you will be by 2032


Green paper and orange internet coin only


YUP. THAT INCLUDES MOST OF BITCOIN TWITTER TOO.

FOCUS ON THE 5%. RIDE OR DIE ARE ALL THAT MATTER.


Probably more than 95%


I think 100% will use them, but 50% will also use bitcoin for quality things they actually need that are experiencing shortages because of price controls 😉


Most people are happy with their slavery.


no


Orange coin good


we need to roast their stupidity until they get it https://image.nostr.build/59832c9f23024ce05b5ca2cb5680e5f68d4dc8ee163a79f2391eccbc4476a0ac.jpg


Even the CBDC-sceptics


You are blind brother.


They’ll clamour to it just like they did the vax. Sub 80 is the new norm


Most people are sheep. Covid showed us yet again.


So many ECash simps somehow in Bitcoin prove this


Am I?
I don't keep more than a month's worth of Fiat. And never stack KYC.

How would that have a meaningful effect on my life?


Most bitcoin twitter are just fiat maxis...


5% WILL LIVE FREE OR FUCKING DIE !!


Dude wtf happened to bitcoin twitter? They can’t see that bitcoin vs central banks and nostr vs centralized tech platforms is essentially the same battle.


and they will have fun staying poor


Bearish. We can still beat them to the punch. No one in my social circle will be using a CBDC.


They will use it until they can’t buy a steak with it and then they will discover the alternative. Hopefully, it won’t be too late for them at that point.


You won’t have a choice.


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Higher.
Most people don't want to think and seek the least resistance in their secure utopia.


I don't get that CBDC term it is basically just the current system we have and all use today


I think probably 95% of ppl will use CBDCs. They simply don’t give a fuck.


Canada is moving towards UBI.  Nobody will give a fck about this either...🤷


i think AI will make lots of people jobless and some people will be forced to accept UBI which will come in CBDC format. 🤷♂

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Asch Conformity Experiment indicates that ~75% of people will conform to using a CBDC as dictated. Only ~25% of the population have mental autonomy.

The largest social experiment comprising global mandates strongly supported these statistics.


The inability to save with it will ultimately destroy it. People will accept invasion of their privacy. But they won't accept restriction of their liberty and freedom. Like the ability to save securely..🧡😊🦍🇺🇸🗽


Well the cbdc Is gonna tank alongside the other fiats so it'll take care of itself I rekon


It'll be fiat on steroids. I wish them the best. Not everyone will come aboard the lifeboat. Just the way it is.


Very good point.


Cant wait to see the terms and conditions of the CBDC

Reckon they will try to be hip and publish a white or grey paper?


Humans love the path of least resistance. Sadly, that path is one without privacy and ownership.


Too simplistic a view. Many certainly won't care (until a lot of them will and the way out will be incredibly costly).

Many others would care even now if they really understood the risks and consequences. The issue for a lot of people isn't ambivalence it is ignorance.

Many others do current care but are not in positions to easily opt out (too much of life/ responsibilities/ daily expenses still in fiat)

As for the rest who are taking action now in an attempt to maintain choice and freedom, we cannot predict or prepare for every threat vector.
Bitcoin is the best opt out tool we have but to have it in a CBDC world won't guarantee access to anything more than CBDCs would afford us. This is because, although they are the worst kind of shitcoin imaginable, the problem isn't CBDCs, per say, but the completely captured and surveiled (global) economy that they make possible.
Put another way, bitcoin cannot buy me a steak if there aren't any farmers to buy a steak from because all their land has been taken and given to megacorps and the entire supply chain is captured by the globalist cartel.
If it got to this point, resistance will require a lot more than a bitcoin stash.


Higher. You’ll have to use it to pay taxes, registration fees, etc. Only way to not use it would be to move out of the US to a nation that isn’t a US vassal.


That's the main difference between Monero and Bitcoin. We are freedom maxis and >95% of people know why they own Monero.

Bitcoin has been such a success because price appreciation marketed it to fiat maxis. Monero's success is growing in the dark.


If you invite the slaves to your system because NGU made them believe they can make it within the system than you onboarded a lot of people that don't have been hardened to resist taxes. Instead they will use their Bitcoin gains to pay taxes.

That's where Monero is important. It's success will be hidden from the plebs. It needs to be discovered one by one. Bitcoin alone is a toothless tiger. Only in cooperation with Monero will Bitcoin be able to achieve this goals.


Revolution has never been meant to free the masses but just to transfer power.


Me, also will add to wallet if it's going to be easy enough.

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On the M1 in the UK, it's been there for around a year
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As they should so we need to do better


We need to make sure everyone's invited though


They have been for 15 years.


Many give a fuck but can't overcome friction


True. Let's keep sending those invites though.


I won't keep wasting my time on the same people. You can, but I'd rather focus on people who want to find the truth. The right people see my example and come to me. At least that's been my experience with the only people who have actually taken my advice to study Bitcoin.


It like the teaching by example approach. I'm making the point that not everybody has been exposed to the offer yet.


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They will when its to late


Their kids being hungry and cold will sober them right up. Some people just have to see it to believe it.


I don't disagree. However, nobody cares about monero in reality, and the economic value keeps going down.  What good is keeping one's savings privately if it constantly loses purchasing power? Better off keeping and using cash.

Monero will keep trending towards zero against bitcoin and even the USD.

Perhaps to go in and outnof via atomic swaps, but not really much else use for me.

95% of my bitcoin is kyc free, and completely separate from the kyc.

That's just as private, however also provable as needed.

To each their own.


They are number goes up guys. Not anything else.


95% of bitcoiners are fiat maxis


Could be. I'd say closer to 85-90.


Then this anecdotally indicates a positive trend, as before the discovery of bitcoin, and the recent bioweapon plague rattled many dormant souls awake id wager it was closer to 99%..  >Something, something, the intolerant minorty FTW<


To be fair, the vast majority of the world doesn't care about Bitcoin or Monero.
If you believe Monero will continue to downtrend, why not just use it for transactional privacy and continue saving in Bitcoin?

Cash is great locally but:
Cant send cash instantly to anyone on the planet.
Cant carry unlimited amounts in your head to avoid confiscation and theft.
Issuance is centralized.
Inflation is unpredictable.
Difficult to verify authenticity of bills on-the-fly.
No mechanism to verify supply.
Not as easily divisible. Need to carry specific denominations for change.
Can't trustlessly exchange for crypto (no atomic swaps)
Different people can't have simultaneous ownership and control over the same cash (multisig)

no-KYC Bitcoin doesn't make it private. No actions are hidden. Anyone in the world can see what you do, so you're more vulnerable to chain analysis. It does make it kind of anonymous though (hidden identity). Privacy and anonymity are both important to have.


It is anonymous, not private, correct. Being private defeats the point of having an open ledger that TX can be verified.

I have no idea what I would ever do with monero. Nobody accepts it, there isn't online betting with it, I know literally 0 people that own it and would take it as a tip, for dinner payback, etc..

So what am I using it for? Transact how? I can't send zaps, or play blackjack, or buy something at my local Cafe or even buy and sell it at my local ATM like I can bitcoin.

It lost 30% the other day when binance delisted. Soon the remaining ones will, as there is no reason for them to exchange and hold it.

It's a great concept, but lost the battle. There is no use case currently that would be beneficial FOR ME. And most of even 'crypto' users.

Perhaps I am missing something, but what?


They'll tie it to all kinds of things.
Want your monthly VA disability money? CBDC
Want your "social security" check? CBDC
Want your tax return? CBDC
etc...


all dog muzzler wearers


Especially when the gubberment give them "free" credit in their CBDC wallet.

https://www.bsi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/EN/BSI/Publications/TechGuidelines/TR03179/TR03179-1.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=2

https://void.cat/d/LsZJxhEFK8LaDUEvQ37MC3.webp

https://void.cat/d/9dE5Hy5ZU7pJRT1kBqs5JK.webp


You're right. If you don't have a need for it or find it useful then you don't. I'm simply saying there are more use cases for it and people who use it than you may think.

Here is a large directory for places to spend it on white markets:
https://monerica.com/

Here is a growing p2p white market:
https://moneromarket.io/

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https://gratuitas.org sells great coffee

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Most FOSS privacy projects and businesses accept payment and even prefer donations in Monero (Tor, IVPN, Mullvad, SimpleLogin, AnonAddy, SimpleX, Molly, GrapheneOS, Silent Link, CoinCards, ShopInBit, etc)

...and of course it is the preferred and rising star of Freenet Markets

Can't find a place you would spend? Only care about anonymity?
Worse case you can purchase giftcards and virtual debits (more widely accepted than Bitcoin) cheaper using Monero (They don't know you were the one who purchased it - little to no info required at purchase - and you could have been given it as payment or as a gift from someone else):
https://coincards.com/
https://www.coinsbee.com/
https://buy.cakepay.com/

Buy things from Amazon using Monero. The person buying it for you doesn't know who you are or your address. Amazon doesn't know it was purchased with Monero.
https://monezon.com/

Atomic swaps popping up everywhere. BTC swaps:
https://unstoppableswap.net/
https://basicswapdex.com/
https://code.samourai.io/wallet/comit-swaps-java/-/releases
ETH and BCH have one and I see discussion amongst LTC for it.
https://github.com/AthanorLabs/atomic-swap
https://github.com/PHCitizen/bch-xmr-swap

Serai and Haveno DEXs probably releasing sometime this year. Saw discussion amongst Thorchain DEX to introduce it (use asgarDEX frontend to avoid problems with the "official" frontend). You can also get it the old fashioned way with fiat p2p via LocalMonero or Bisq

I think versus other crypto Monero is actually winning a battle that is not over yet. It's becoming less reliant on TradFi and centralized institutions...all this adversarial pressure is strengthening it...Less speculation, paper trading price manipulation, custodians, and KYC.
This is the crucible. If it survives delistings it can survive anything.

I don't think any other crypto would do this well in the same situation including Bitcoin. Many "privacy" coins also caved in to Binance demands of changing the protocol to suit them.


Cool. Thanks. I'll take a look. I've browsed the market before, for sure not my style.

I'm betting in 10 years monero will be worth nothing, hence nobody will hold it. But I could certainly be wrong.

All good, appreciate it!


Anyone who got the "vaccine" will be using CBDCs. That includes a large percentage of "Bitcoiners".


Using sats will be the only way you can exceed your carbon allocation and eat anything other than carbs and bugs.


Agreed. It is going to be an uphill battle.


sad but true.


also ppl who didnt btw

if registered business, if welfare and otherwise if not getting payed in bitcoin.


it is coming soon, im afraid

but maybe usa can protect it self better than eu, who knows

technical cbdc guidelines from germany office for information security just dropped today.. UK too
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they are very busy with it, it will all fail tho, eventually