Oddbean new post about login | logout Imo nostr: 1. Got labeled under “crypto” in the tech world. 2. Is not an escape Elon destination like blue sky 3. Is not positioned well (censorship resistant) though that’s a really strong quality - people just don’t care) 4. Is not doing a good job to cater to groups of people jumping here 5. Is not catering to younger audiences - old people building apps for old people (yes I’m considering myself old here) - not saying it’s bad 6. Doesn’t have anything obvious going for it - it’s not actually the case but to an outside observer - they can’t tell what we’re excited about. 7. Is still hard to find things on 8. Lacks content Doesn’t help that all of this also requires people abandoning their network - which almost never happens, hence need for more interesting use cases or join-as-a-group UX. Not saying all the things I listed are bad either. There’s clearly something very important and very interesting happening here or we wouldn’t be here. I love nostr! 💜 nostr:note1e8gzpmeum8tqzqg6sjkuxge7v764h9x49n7e000as0x40lpekazqfhwk8f
WTF nostr is NEVER struggling - biz build around nostr to earn profit may be whodafuk is this Svetski anyway? there is no VC no STOCKS no OPTIONS no Bankers ( atleast directly in nostr) P2P TEXT Gossip without any burden or pressing AGREEMENT buttons which 0.001% users read anyway use nostr search nostr love nostr - That's it when a NORMIE wakesup They will come here Content is direct reflection of type of people that comes here based on their interest background culture others X has certain corporate type of people who throws some useful but they never arrive in nostr becos their certain requirements or attitude. otherwise there are many content here from RSS feed in MUTIPLE languages which are banned or filtered in X / FB / other central medias
Depends on your definition of struggle and wither you look at it as a protocol or as a social network. Most social networks grow much faster (I think). Don’t know about protocol growth.
if we are talking about "DAILY ACTIVE REAL USER" there is point - other social digital platforms more dormant / occasional good user cannot ignored. also non-tech young old it will MUCH LONGER TIME for them know learn understand nostr's real value - there too much in favor tiktok dance n jokes clips but RSS feeds from other places provides huge content feed now in nostr
bit stiff learning curve + less ad campaign and free goodies in other mediums is deterring a lot such users from jumping into nostr in spare time. primal , getcurrent others are doing GOOD JOB making is EASY for non-tech folks. slowly but surely it happens. dodnot over expect or over build for flash crowd like Tucker's interview or Trump spaceX talk.
I see so many people underestimate TikTok here and dismiss it into a dance video app for kids category. This is not the case. TikTok does fill the entertainer role, but it can also educate if you seek out information, and for younger people video is more interesting than text results. I do a fair bit of video search myself on YouTube for things like product reviews.
yes there so many alternate to YT now - simple nobody can match VOLUME of content and user in YT its not YT has huge great feature. brand n volume cascade attarts MORE like u n me in YT even if the want to use alternate they end using YT since audience or content is much more there so others it takes much long time
My main issue with TikTok is that it's designed to be predatory and atrocious for privacy, while significantly reducing the common person's attention span. Well, that and the sheer amount of single-brain-cell dolts it has created. Short-form video in and of itself is completely fine by me. I just despise TikTok's guts in particular.
I love Nostr too. I agree there should be some more work on bringing new audience here. I have some ideas about it,and when I was in Toronto some friends and I were working on purple pilling people and bringing new people to Nostr. We had some meetings too. However,even though it’s a new protocol it has already achieved some relevance,therefore I think Nostr has a big potential once it achieves more people. The trick is to show how nostr differs from other ways to connect to people and how important it is to have a censorship resistance mechanism to provide free speech to everyone. People still don’t understand how harmful it is to be part of platforms that bans their content and opinions just because they dared to think differently. People seem to be unaware of how totalitarianism is dangerous and that it always starts by forbidding them of expressing their thoughts.
#Nostr would do extremely well if the self-sovereign identity thing was positioned better. That's the best part. Use one identity for multiple apps - blogging, pinstr, fundraising etc and you could get zapped everywhere It has to be an ecosystem and not a random, one-off replacement to Twitter nostr:nevent1qqsfua4te2zyd98valwej8uuy4ux2tzamnenpnz9nhgz8j6hdq2r7qgpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9upzqx78pgq53vlnzmdr8l3u38eru0n3438lnxqz0mr39wg9e5j0dfq3qvzqqqqqqyhfktyj
> join-as-a-group UX This is great, and also needed is a stay-as-a-group product(s) and UX. Looking forward to hearing about @Ditto at @thenostrworld. Maybe nip-29 community relay is interesting for the above problem sets.
We are naturally drawn to those who do things differently, and there’s nothing more exciting than witnessing it live. Nostr is the ideal place for such forums—a place where censorship is not a concern, but where meaningful participation is guided by simple, fair rules. With its already streaming nostr apps, it has the potential to attract a wide audience—those eager to share their ideas and professionals who can offer real value. Nostr isn’t just another social platform; it has the potential to evolve into a media powerhouse rooted in values, progress, and open conversation. By fostering a community where diverse ideas are not only welcomed but zapped, Nostr could become the go-to destination for those who want to shape the future.
Ya. You don’t have to sell me on it 🤣 I wrote near identical works before
You’re in charge, and I can already see how things are going to unfold. People just need to open up. I get the need for privacy, but I want to interact openly, human to human. I believe Nostr’s biggest feature—its focus on privacy and censorship—could also become a major challenge. It’s a choice between interacting with someone hidden behind layers of anonymity or building trust with others who are more open. I have a feeling people will lean towards trust. All I can do is share my honest thoughts, support developers with zaps, and engage with notes that resonate with me. You’re doing an incredible job, and I truly appreciate all the hard work you’re putting in. You’re a true warrior.
Nostr has a marketing problem, so did bitcoin in it's early years. Adoption takes time, these points are extremely valid and there's no simple solution, except to let the network effects take effect and maybe even try to accelerate them however you like we all are nostrs marketing department after all. nostr:nevent1qqsfua4te2zyd98valwej8uuy4ux2tzamnenpnz9nhgz8j6hdq2r7qgpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtczyqduwzspfzelx9k6x0lrez0j8cl8rtz0lxvqylk8z2ustnfy76jpzqcyqqqqqqg42hhts
It's kinda sad that we are not focusing on the password-less / account-less access to apps and the #bitcoin (lightning) connect #Nostr just needs to be repackaged #grownostr #plebchain nostr:nevent1qqsfua4te2zyd98valwej8uuy4ux2tzamnenpnz9nhgz8j6hdq2r7qgpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9upzqx78pgq53vlnzmdr8l3u38eru0n3438lnxqz0mr39wg9e5j0dfq3qvzqqqqqqyhfktyj
To be fair, I think it's good that it's not an "escape Elon" destination. Mastodon took that approach when Elon bought Twitter and thus all the hardcore political content is there, whereas Nostr has a much better community focused more on life and self-improvement.
The real issue is that we all subconsciously want to force these ideas onto nostr. We want it to meet and exceed current social media sites level in 2 years. Most of these companies had a 15+ years head start. It will happen, but it needs to happen organically.
We’re going to get a barrage of AI bots in the coming year. People will be clamoring for solutions. Distributed identity management (and review) might be a strong lever? ‘other people in your graph already muted this person’ along with zaps does some of that. How strong depends on the size of the problem.
I love nostr! 💜 However I think it would be much better if I saw less posts about how good nostr, btc and stacks are. I mean literally it's worse than youtube ads. Other than that with new nips and features coming up, I'm not sure if my client supports them and it's definitely not easy to keep up. About being similar to x, this could be a good thing, I'm struggling to get rid of it but that's where I go for breaking news.
Is there any attempts on one-way operability? Most people merely lurk social media which would make one way content mirrors on #Nostr very helpful. If we can just get them their favorite content (one way) it massively decreases the friction. (I am a newb thus target audience and I want this 🤘) One step further, we make the beds of content creators that can claim their accounts already filled with all their content. You could go by niche and see which niches are easiest to seduce. At
As a regular #Gab user, I have to give kudos to the #Primal app on nostr. There’s a saying in the media industry: “Content is king”. Originally I made the move to Gab because, why support a company that hates you (#Twitter)? With Twitter becoming “X”, I no longer feel the hate, but the algorithm driving engagement is toxic. The Gab UI, unfortunately being browser based due to their mobile app being de-platformed by BigTech, is clunky at best. Bottom line: Until content creators (and special interest groups, aka SIGs) start to populate the nostr platform, adoption and engagement will remain low. There needs to be a more compelling justification to join other than being free from censorship. That still comes down to compelling content.
This might be a horrible suggestion but maybe NOSTR should have like reels a page for the zoomers with short attention spams ? They'll see people earning crazy BTC for making 10-60 second videos and want to jump in on it and then maybe a content explosion will occur.
When you have a million users adding every day .. you won't have time to scale .. much less build anything .. Late is good .. almost everything that comes late ( in tech) is more successful ( not necessarily good) - iPhone to Blackberry - Chrome to rest of the browsers - Bitcoin to USD - Google search to Yahoo and excite - Smartphone to PC - Linux to windows The reason is simple - tech gets better - tech leaders evolve .. So ..
lost me at "tech leaders evolve" but thats alright.
IMHO the first is the biggest problem. There are a lot of people (like, A LOT) who just irrationally reject 'crypto stuff'.
I think I'll be taking part in handling 4, half of 5, and a small percentage of 8, with my project.
Is bluesky actually growing in active users?! Last time a tried, 6 months ago, it had that feeling of dying product that I once had with Google Plus.
Totally agree! I'm almost wondering if a twitter clone, one to one almost... would succeed if running over Nostr? Almost as an experiment to see if that's what people want without censorship or scrutiny. nostr:note1nem2hj5yg62wem7any0ecftcv5k9mh8nxrxyt8wsy094w6q58uqsp95kyz
I totally agree with #5. Where the fuck are the young generations?
There is a lot of focus on mechanics and deep thought on Nostr. Young people are just here for the socialization/features and generally don’t really care about the mechanics. I mean, what is free speech anyway? (Joking but they don’t get it yet) I think we will get there, it will just take some more time.
The more opportunities to earn money, the better