Oddbean

a lot of people here want bitcointwitter2, and they have it. The rest of us have to suffer through it lolol. Or, ironically, you can actually just use twitter and see far less or no bitcoin chatter. I'm strictly non-nostr-only, for the sake of sanity. I also suspect most people aren't nostr-only cos they regurgitate bitcointwitter talking points and 'memes'. I haven't even looked at bitcointwiter but I know it is chockablock with incredibly unfunny crypto anarchist 'memes'. We are just an offshoot of bt. Sad, innit. Why is the nostr retention rate so bad?? The mystery remains unsolved.

>I also suspect most people aren't nostr-only ... I think there are more reasons. Because nostr doesn't give them enough stimulation high they need from other algo platforms that can be more predictable. Proud to say I've never used twatter but I can imagine the desire, that and most other big-tech platforms. They leave because the overlords do something they don't like but quickly forget when things over here don't stimulate their addiction enough. That and the whole what are the odds it'll be me that gets banned or whatever risk vs. reward cycle. I'm also a very light social user, maybe like 30 mins/day besides chatting with our team.

I think the 'people use twitter because they're addicted' can be a bit disingenuous, people on twitter also have meaningful interactions with people, there are communities there etc etc... (you know the things nostr aspires to). I'm not saying that the addiction / ragebait thing doesn't also exist, but that's not the whole picture.

> Because nostr doesn't give them enough stimulation high they need from other algo platforms that can be more predictable. I still stand firm on this however. The term addiction disregards there are social positive interactions that result in more stimulation. Yeah I think twitter probably has plenty of positive real world social capacity and germination. I don't mean to assume it's all unhealthy. I was a Facebook communities person, I made almost exclusively real-world connections personally and professionally. I'm arguing over the lack of commitment because of convenience, the urge to fall back to old habits when things "calm down". The people you mention are also likely not the people I'm targeting. Because the same could be said for why I'm here anyway.

I've never used Twitter either. Unless, you include clicking on links from nkstr posts to be using it. Also, I think it's a matter of ignorance, as well. Heavy centralized social media users may take a trip to nostr only to subconsciously refuse to acknowledge the realization that they don't need social media to be as big a part of their everyday lives as they imagined. It's sad, tbh. Nostr needs to have an abundance of clients in all markets if it wants to succeed.

Those are my feels, lately. I like our eReader idea, but I'm increasingly aware of the fact that I suck at social media. It's a whole thing. Rule one of social media: always agree with whatever the richest man in the room is saying. Rule two of social media: always agree with whatever the second-richest man in the room is saying, unless it contradicts the first man.

I still use the Fediverse loads, never been into X or whatever. I keep going with this as technologically it’s interesting but those that have even heard of Nostr see it as right wing. I can only assume that means there’s more 0s than 1s in the code. I just want to be loved… lol

Fair enough, yeah. I rely on follows to share other fun pleb things so I can see whats going on out there. I remember looking at some of the other popular platforms after the whole Parlor thing and was like wow this is just bad. I'm sure they were overloaded with attack bot accounts to make it look worse than it was, but almost every reply to a post contained at least one racial slur. Now I'm a degenerate who can appreciate edgy stuff so it was kind of funny at first, but it was too much to want to be around. It was hard for the first few months to get a good follow list, but now I'm pretty happy although I'm sure I'm missing some fun stuff on occasion. It can be really overwhelming for new users.

one of the most interesting things about nostr is it makes a BIG difference to your experience who you follow that's why i only have like 108 or so... they give me a second level reach into other things that are interesting but too noisy or don't interest me often but when my follows respond to them they tend to be interesting

yeah, i think without any more devious methods of filtering stuff the best one is to pick good people to put replies into your feed and then if the replies are interesting they lead you to maybe something interesting, more often than not... i think my philosophy of nostr following is more respectful... helps me keep stuff out that would make me mad and gives me enough to keep it interesting enough i'm still overdoing it

Hmm, it's more that the there are these mechanisms that fill the void of discovery. The mechanisms assume you have come from and want bitcointwitter. Clients recommend bitcointwitter people, people who post in that style, primal trending sidebar does the same. Follows are funnelled into these posters and posts with lots of likes appear as 'trending'. Replying or appealing to the tastes of these people is sometimes the only possibility of interaction smaller accounts have. The rent you pay to post can be seen as posting popular bitcointwitter slogans. Emulating bitcointwitter is rewarded in engagement and zaps. This is arguably worse than an algorithm lol. In terms of an obstacle to nostr's growth. (The most common complaint about nostr is that it's a bitcointwitter slogan chatroom). The most used clients are microblogging types, following accounts instead of topics. There are barely any topics to follow (besides bitcointwitter talking points, although Meshtastic and Permaculture are promising). Etc etc

It's a major problem, not really been solved. Retention is low and the only reliable place to recruit from is bitcointwitter. No one outside of bitcointwitter wants bitcointwitter as a social media (even some of bitcointwitter want more variety, which they find on wider twitter, not here). nostr:nevent1qqsx0e45zs9ken2yzhefmmyp09w9dnmgm4efszur2dgurxt8m73f6yszyzw2p0t52p6z663qxxwqu02vv7wfupr2nhrsarh4ts5stcjq2g6qkqcyqqq823cvyap7d

These two are right. We need to figure out ways to fix this. #nostr #bitcoin nostr:nevent1qqspg4hfw2mhk0h96w0jqgpvsmlsgdrf6fjmdlu7h08ak07l5ymec7cprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7q3ql5sga6xg72phsz5422ykujprejwud075ggrr3z2hwyrfgr7eylqsxpqqqqqqzldpjsm

I do the like the cooking community. I've actually been using a fair amount of the recipes that I've found from nostr:nprofile1qqsrrxknu7gxxnd7smc5mwwzn9djdm3uvg5tu40cn3x8l656esqa2zspzdmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ue0guyv64. Thank you nostr:nprofile1qqsfhsknfhw6s0v59g0a6d48fple4tk8grdjf6newvkepcur6xwjjjqpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgjwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxqgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejq6pne6f! I haven't focused as much as I'd like to on the gardening community. Thanks for the reminder!

nostr:nprofile1qqswgvmv65ja7706f5a0xe8ajcqdfvgdeeppt2jvx0kh06sggg6ykyqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qys8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytn9d9h82mny0fmkzmn6d9njuumsv93k2tcpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0v9ru2a 's voyage app is worth keeping an eye on. It's one of a very very few attempts at topic-follow rather than personality/npub follow. There was another WIP client which was heavily focused on forum-style, but forgotten the name. Things like this could help attract and keep people. Bitcoin posts and the general bitcointwitter chatroom posts wouldn't show up in unrelated topic forums, hopefully lol ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Not always, imo. Sometimes posting a note or comment is just a means of gathering information. It's that simple. I've observed many Nostr users who display this kind of behavior; and they're usually accounts with a relatively smaller follower count. The people who come here for the social aspect seem less active since I showed up nearly three months ago (yes, only three months). I think it's obvious that many are growing way too bored too quickly and are realizing that they don't need social media as much as they originally believed. That's a win, imo. Many are rediscovering the value of face-to-face interaction. Also, I've seen plenty of people say that nostr has no algorithm, yet, they fail to realize that they've all played a hand in making the "nostr algo." Nostr algo = block and ridicule anyone who notices and publicly calls out imperfections within both Bitcoin and the nostr protocol clients... and then whine about it. The topic of a person's reasoning behind their social media usage is evidently far more nuanced than I had originally believed. So my opinion may seem somewhat erroneous, but my personal belief is that nostr isn't a "good social media" (as I don't believe there is a truly good one) it's just the least worst. What Nostr DOES have the potential to be is the next INTERNET. That NEEDS to be the focus. nostr:nprofile1qqsfeg9aw3g8gtt2yqcecr3af3nee8syd2wuwr5w74wzjp0zgpfrgzcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsler5rm's opinion. nostr:nevent1qqsq40n2x2qtgyeznaw6mnqcupegeppqasxwx0rrl4fjppj9swx98wqprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7q3qnjst6azswskk5gp3ns8r6nr8nj0qg65acu8gaa2u9yz7yszjxs9sxpqqqqqqzqdz2w8

i guess it all comes down to how we define things — i still wonder how nostr will be defined; it's often presented as a social media. is that right? maybe it's not? or is it simply a form of communication, i.e. the internet? isn't communication the basis of social interaction? these questions become much too abstract for me lol anyway, thank you for the detailed and thoughtful response, as always~! ^^