Oddbean new post about login | logout People use social media to socialize. Anything that keeps people from socializing is a bug, not a feature. Telling people that they should keep using social media, but refrain from socializing and just go sit by themselves, off in a corner, and mentally masturbate, and pretend like they don't mind, is fucking sadistic. https://media.tenor.com/YpGaQxfPdMQAAAAC/joker-imtiredofpretending.gif
that's the whole point of notes, right? ... right..?
Not always, imo. Sometimes posting a note or comment is just a means of gathering information. It's that simple. I've observed many Nostr users who display this kind of behavior; and they're usually accounts with a relatively smaller follower count. The people who come here for the social aspect seem less active since I showed up nearly three months ago (yes, only three months). I think it's obvious that many are growing way too bored too quickly and are realizing that they don't need social media as much as they originally believed. That's a win, imo. Many are rediscovering the value of face-to-face interaction. Also, I've seen plenty of people say that nostr has no algorithm, yet, they fail to realize that they've all played a hand in making the "nostr algo." Nostr algo = block and ridicule anyone who notices and publicly calls out imperfections within both Bitcoin and the nostr protocol clients... and then whine about it. The topic of a person's reasoning behind their social media usage is evidently far more nuanced than I had originally believed. So my opinion may seem somewhat erroneous, but my personal belief is that nostr isn't a "good social media" (as I don't believe there is a truly good one) it's just the least worst. What Nostr DOES have the potential to be is the next INTERNET. That NEEDS to be the focus. nostr:nprofile1qqsfeg9aw3g8gtt2yqcecr3af3nee8syd2wuwr5w74wzjp0zgpfrgzcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsler5rm's opinion. nostr:nevent1qqsq40n2x2qtgyeznaw6mnqcupegeppqasxwx0rrl4fjppj9swx98wqprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7q3qnjst6azswskk5gp3ns8r6nr8nj0qg65acu8gaa2u9yz7yszjxs9sxpqqqqqqzqdz2w8
They didn't leave social media. They just went to other platforms, or they mostly post elsewhere and just dip in here, sporadically. A lot probably even went back to X.
i guess it all comes down to how we define things — i still wonder how nostr will be defined; it's often presented as a social media. is that right? maybe it's not? or is it simply a form of communication, i.e. the internet? isn't communication the basis of social interaction? these questions become much too abstract for me lol anyway, thank you for the detailed and thoughtful response, as always~! ^^
So, all the fanatics who are constantly praising Bitcoin for fixing this or that need to leave before they bore the less interested parties to death? Good idea! https://image.nostr.build/20b6fc6589bf67304292b482d7375d8a5f55f65f6cf78d60c0cec6d7cff6da31.jpg
Bitcoin doesn't fix me.
I see Nostr as a social network and also as a free market of information. It's expected to see discrimination in a free market. Sociopaths gonna sociopath, even in a social medium. Expect some individuals being total pricks and being accepted by others. It doesn't mean I don't see them and don't hate them. At least I can also be discriminative with those I don't like
Literally me. It's like were here because we hate traditional social media XD
Meh, it's just people trying to deflect attention from bad product quality. It's an old rhetorical trick, where you expand the scope of the argument to such a degree, that it becomes impossible to solve. A form of argumentum ad absurdum. If the actually believed this, they wouldn't be here, themselves. https://media.tenor.com/LWhTsJh248sAAAAC/greys-anatomy-izzie-stevens.gif
Broadly speaking, there are some parts that I seriously adore about a way to communicate with like minded people you'd never find/meet otherwise. However I still think there are YUGE addictive and toxic trends introduced either by culture or big-tech that ruins this communication's thing we like.
Broadly speaking, there are some parts that I seriously adore about a way to communicate with like minded people you'd never find/meet otherwise. However I still think there are YUGE addictive and toxic trends introduced either by culture or big-tech that ruins this communication's thing we like.
Meh, it's just people trying to deflect attention from bad product quality. It's an old rhetorical trick, where you expand the scope of the argument to such a degree, that it becomes impossible to solve. A form of argumentum ad absurdum. If the actually believed this, they wouldn't be here, themselves. https://media.tenor.com/LWhTsJh248sAAAAC/greys-anatomy-izzie-stevens.gif
Broadly speaking, there are some parts that I seriously adore about a way to communicate with like minded people you'd never find/meet otherwise. However I still think there are YUGE addictive and toxic trends introduced either by culture or big-tech that ruins this communication's thing we like.
Broadly speaking, there are some parts that I seriously adore about a way to communicate with like minded people you'd never find/meet otherwise. However I still think there are YUGE addictive and toxic trends introduced either by culture or big-tech that ruins this communication's thing we like.
Broadly speaking, there are some parts that I seriously adore about a way to communicate with like minded people you'd never find/meet otherwise. However I still think there are YUGE addictive and toxic trends introduced either by culture or big-tech that ruins this communication's thing we like.
Who does? Like suggesting "hey quality is low because were all just a bunch of sissy devs" responses? Or "Yeah you'll have that on these big jobs" XD So new users just assume that's the way it "should be " or are we talking about something else?
Yeah, client devs and long-time users think the problems are with the protocol itself, and/or that it isn't humanly possible to build a Nostr client that actually works. People who don't understand software development believe them and repeat their nonsense.
meh, client devs are the most prominent and least qualified relay devs are like, can we count them on more than one hand at this point? the influencoor/follower mindset has poisoned the dev process by putting too much energy where it has least effect for the business, i think you can say
Unsolicited opinion, but I love seeing critiques of nostr clients — from new users and old ones. It’s how any of the clients have even gotten to be as functional as they are today. There’s also plenty of room for improvement, in various directions depending on the intended use case for the individual client. New users can offer a fresh set of eyes when some of us have gotten used to the quirks that create friction. (Sure, there’s also the trope of “I’m new to ___ and I’m here to fix it” which isn’t particularly helpful, but my sense is that this isn’t want you’re referring to). I haven’t seen so much of this “shutting down” of people who voice their criticisms, but it’s disappointing to hear that there’s enough of it to turn people off. I’ve had a great experience over the past couple of years here, watching how quickly the protocol and clients have grown into a robust information system (social uses included), and seeing the content expand far beyond the mainly-Bitcoin discussion of the earliest adopters. (I enjoy the Bitcoin content as well — and it’s usually of a much higher caliber here than on Twitter or Reddit — but I want/need a lot more than that to have a fulfilling social experience, and for nostr to continue growing). Some protocol limitations exist, sure, but doesn’t mean a client can’t be built to deliver a certain type of experience, if that’s what the developer wants. Couple that with the fact that nearly everything is open source, if someone wants to change/improve a feature they can submit a PR or clone the entire thing and build it a different way. That’s powerful, especially compared to the closed silo/walled garden ecosystem we’ve all experienced up until now. I’ve seen the devs behind social clients like @nos.social , @damus, @Amethyst, Coracle (why no tag suggestion?), and @Nostur all being very receptive to constructive criticism. I’d be willing to bet that the individuals who shut down your criticism are missing the point — we’re all trying to make this thing work, and win, and it’s early enough that things can break and be rebuilt without significant disruption. My experience of critique/user feedback, both personally and seeing it on my feed, has been that the devs actually building the projects are pretty open to/appreciative of it (as opposed to the accounts who might just jump into a thread to tell someone to f’ off for complaining, because the internet simply does have trolls). But I’d never block someone for voicing technical/UX feedback about their client. That’s worthy of a repost and attempt to replicate the issue and fix it. My two sats ⚡️🤝
Yeah, client devs and long-time users think the problems are with the protocol itself, and/or that it isn't humanly possible to build a Nostr client that actually works. People who don't understand software development believe them and repeat their nonsense.
meh, client devs are the most prominent and least qualified relay devs are like, can we count them on more than one hand at this point? the influencoor/follower mindset has poisoned the dev process by putting too much energy where it has least effect for the business, i think you can say
Unsolicited opinion, but I love seeing critiques of nostr clients — from new users and old ones. It’s how any of the clients have even gotten to be as functional as they are today. There’s also plenty of room for improvement, in various directions depending on the intended use case for the individual client. New users can offer a fresh set of eyes when some of us have gotten used to the quirks that create friction. (Sure, there’s also the trope of “I’m new to ___ and I’m here to fix it” which isn’t particularly helpful, but my sense is that this isn’t want you’re referring to). I haven’t seen so much of this “shutting down” of people who voice their criticisms, but it’s disappointing to hear that there’s enough of it to turn people off. I’ve had a great experience over the past couple of years here, watching how quickly the protocol and clients have grown into a robust information system (social uses included), and seeing the content expand far beyond the mainly-Bitcoin discussion of the earliest adopters. (I enjoy the Bitcoin content as well — and it’s usually of a much higher caliber here than on Twitter or Reddit — but I want/need a lot more than that to have a fulfilling social experience, and for nostr to continue growing). Some protocol limitations exist, sure, but doesn’t mean a client can’t be built to deliver a certain type of experience, if that’s what the developer wants. Couple that with the fact that nearly everything is open source, if someone wants to change/improve a feature they can submit a PR or clone the entire thing and build it a different way. That’s powerful, especially compared to the closed silo/walled garden ecosystem we’ve all experienced up until now. I’ve seen the devs behind social clients like @nos.social , @damus, @Amethyst, Coracle (why no tag suggestion?), and @Nostur all being very receptive to constructive criticism. I’d be willing to bet that the individuals who shut down your criticism are missing the point — we’re all trying to make this thing work, and win, and it’s early enough that things can break and be rebuilt without significant disruption. My experience of critique/user feedback, both personally and seeing it on my feed, has been that the devs actually building the projects are pretty open to/appreciative of it (as opposed to the accounts who might just jump into a thread to tell someone to f’ off for complaining, because the internet simply does have trolls). But I’d never block someone for voicing technical/UX feedback about their client. That’s worthy of a repost and attempt to replicate the issue and fix it. My two sats ⚡️🤝
meh, client devs are the most prominent and least qualified relay devs are like, can we count them on more than one hand at this point? the influencoor/follower mindset has poisoned the dev process by putting too much energy where it has least effect for the business, i think you can say
Unsolicited opinion, but I love seeing critiques of nostr clients — from new users and old ones. It’s how any of the clients have even gotten to be as functional as they are today. There’s also plenty of room for improvement, in various directions depending on the intended use case for the individual client. New users can offer a fresh set of eyes when some of us have gotten used to the quirks that create friction. (Sure, there’s also the trope of “I’m new to ___ and I’m here to fix it” which isn’t particularly helpful, but my sense is that this isn’t want you’re referring to). I haven’t seen so much of this “shutting down” of people who voice their criticisms, but it’s disappointing to hear that there’s enough of it to turn people off. I’ve had a great experience over the past couple of years here, watching how quickly the protocol and clients have grown into a robust information system (social uses included), and seeing the content expand far beyond the mainly-Bitcoin discussion of the earliest adopters. (I enjoy the Bitcoin content as well — and it’s usually of a much higher caliber here than on Twitter or Reddit — but I want/need a lot more than that to have a fulfilling social experience, and for nostr to continue growing). Some protocol limitations exist, sure, but doesn’t mean a client can’t be built to deliver a certain type of experience, if that’s what the developer wants. Couple that with the fact that nearly everything is open source, if someone wants to change/improve a feature they can submit a PR or clone the entire thing and build it a different way. That’s powerful, especially compared to the closed silo/walled garden ecosystem we’ve all experienced up until now. I’ve seen the devs behind social clients like @nos.social , @damus, @Amethyst, Coracle (why no tag suggestion?), and @Nostur all being very receptive to constructive criticism. I’d be willing to bet that the individuals who shut down your criticism are missing the point — we’re all trying to make this thing work, and win, and it’s early enough that things can break and be rebuilt without significant disruption. My experience of critique/user feedback, both personally and seeing it on my feed, has been that the devs actually building the projects are pretty open to/appreciative of it (as opposed to the accounts who might just jump into a thread to tell someone to f’ off for complaining, because the internet simply does have trolls). But I’d never block someone for voicing technical/UX feedback about their client. That’s worthy of a repost and attempt to replicate the issue and fix it. My two sats ⚡️🤝
yeah, maybe i'll get some funding to focus my work on this, with a long term of funding... it's a hard problem and you don't know whis until you actually try to build a relay and then watch your logs as the clients sodomize it
There are hardly any NIPs about relays. Every client dev just does whatever.
