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Not enough people/businesses accept monero
Also most people dont place much value in privacy. We have enough trouble telling people bitcoin isn't just money laundering / drug money / terrorism financing. Imagine explaining Monero to them.
be like most people, get what most people get.
So you use Bitcoin for savings and monero for spending?
I use Monero for savings and Monero for spending. I own no other cryptos.
Why for savings?
Because I'd rather the world not know how much I have in my savings account.
How would they know if you got it non kyc?
You'd have to make sure to do absolutely everything at all times, non KYC, because if I transferred money from my savings account to my checking account and then spent it on, say, a domain, for example, then my savings and checking are both now known with KYC.
Idk what you mean by savings account. If you hold non kyc bitcoin for savings, you can just swap to monero when you want to spend it right?
Yeah, you can. But why would you want anybody being able to view your savings account balance, even if they don't know it's you? It just seems like a bad idea to have regular users having their net worth publicly showable online.
It’s not your net worth. It’s just one utxo. And it’s pseudonymous so no one knows it belongs to you. Don’t reuse addresses.
Yes, and a regular person is never going to make the mistake of transferring money from their savings account to something that has KYC on them. It's just too easy to dox yourself on total accident then to keep Bitcoin private. You as a privacy person on Bitcoin have to think, did I use that address? Does this address I'm going to send to have any way of linking to me with KYC? Are these funds tainted? A Monero user just presses send and doesn't have to worry about that.
I’m just speaking about you specifically. The people that care about privacy will put the time in to learn. Privacy isn’t for the average normie. Not because they don’t deserve it but because they don’t care. My wallet has coin control so it shows me which addresses I spend from and I have them labeled so I know where they came from. The only time you would spend that money is when you’d swap for monero. You wouldn’t kyc yourself doing that. Idk it’s up to you what you do with your money but you’ve missed out on gains holding monero.
How have I missed out on gains? One Monero is still worth one Monero. It hasn't changed in value at all. If you're talking about Fiat, then we're talking to totally different stories. I don't care about Fiat. I want more Monero. People who look at the price want more fiat, and that's just not the point.
We all want more purchasing power. Bitcoin gives you more purchasing power. You’d be able to buy more stuff today if you saved in bitcoin.
And that wouldn't be a bad thing at all, except for the privacy implications. It makes it a total non-starter.
Dude if you get $100 worth of bitcoin non kyc, it’ll sit in one address. Next month you can get another $100 in bitcoin that will sit in a different address. They are not linked together so no one knows your net worth. The amount will never change. No one knows it belongs to you except the seller and that’s only if the seller knows who you are. You can leave it there for 10 years and nothing will happen to your privacy. Then when you want to spend it, swap for monero.
Right, and I ended up sending you another reply and just saying that if you want to save in Bitcoin and spend in Monero, then I see no problem with that. But it's personally not the way I've chosen to do things.
To be fair though, if you want to save in Bitcoin and spend in Monero, that is perfectly acceptable. It's just not acceptable for me.
Taxes will diminish your purchasing power. That's why rich dudes store value in offshore banks giving a fuck about inflation. Everything is relative.
Relatively speaking, you’d still have more purchasing power after taxes in bitcoin than monero 🤷♂️
Let see when bitcoin will become illegal without kyc XD.
The government doesn’t determine which transactions get mined
Oh, but they sure as hell can. They can get together and tell the miners in their country they either have to shut down or not mine these transactions. And if those are more than 51% of all mining power, then that's it. Even if your transaction gets mined, they could just orphan the block.
There are a lot of countries in the world with anonymous miners. They don’t all just do whatever our government wants them to do. The fee market incentivizes miners to not censor. As the number of censored transactions rises, the incentive to mine them grows. If those transactions don’t go through, the price could suffer and the miners would be shooting themselves in the foot.
That is a fair point. How long can your transaction be delayed though? And how long can you withstand it being delayed? Is the real question? If it were your rent for, say, then you would not be able to withstand it being delayed very long.
Transactions cancel after about 2 weeks. You can also increase your fee while it is in the mempool using RBF which incentivizes more people to mine it. If all your sats were doxxed and you were being censored, it would be bad. But I don't think they would go to the miners to censor you if they knew where you lived. They could just come arrest you. Now if you are saying they will censor all non kyc sats, that is extremely difficult to accomplish. It's hard to even know what sats belong to who. How many sats are non kyc? Can you force all miners around the world to kyc all new mined sats? Also, people buy kyc sats and then send them in as donations or use them to buy things from other people. And with payjoin, it gets more difficult to track. All this does is add a lot of friction for US miners which other businesses or countries can take advantage of. Do you think America, China, and Russia will come together and agree to censor each other? We already sanctioned Russia so that clearly shows that they can't agree on everything. If the government in the US even hinted that they were going to subsidize bitcoin mining, they would open the floodgates to new bitcoin adoption. What would that do to the confidence of bond holders and the value of the dollar? Other countries would get in bitcoin and try to mine as well. It would pump the price, making mining more profitable, and add new miners to the network from different countries. This is all very convoluted and we are just speculating about an unknown future. My belief is that the incentive to mine bitcoin is strong enough to overcome censorship. But I admit that remains to be seen. I'd like to see mining pools get more decentralized. I wish bitcoin had more privacy by default but you cant know for certain that there are only 21 million bitcoin if the blockchain isn't transparent. So pseudonymity seemed like a reasonable tradeoff.
Who talk about the sats, they will only go to the green and red address. If ur keys are kyc and u are know u are green. if ur keys are non kyc u will be targeted by any agency and get u an ID or go to jail. Like always it won happen in one take. Just some turn up time to time the heat.
Never heard about OFAC Sanction or what lol 🤣
Not in Bitcoin
Sadly let me remind you OFAC Sanction of Transaction started in btc first in the world
Which utxos are sanctioned?
There is something called brave search or try using Twitter for smooth brain these days Easy to search info lol
Burden of proof is on you. You made the claim so provide evidence for it.
No it's not my job to spoon feed free info that peeps are too lazy to search lol 🤣
Without providing any evidence, your claims are worthless. Have a good day.
Here Type OFAC Sanction in Nostr Search enough info for even dumb dumb children to know basic stuff lol 🤣
The first 3 articles I searched made no mention of Bitcoin. You’re wasting my time.
That's not how Nostr Search of topics work lol 🤣
Okay then provide your evidence or I’m muting you
Matt Corallo : It’s not that I’m a fan of the nuclear option, but rather that I have no *other* ideas if things like Sv2/p2pool don’t get adoption. We’ve been at this for a decade and it’s been a massive problem for a decade. Edit : now good luck following the same btc dev who created all the mess lol 🤣
This makes zero sense and is not evidence that bitcoin transactions have been censored due to ofac. You must be retarded. Have a nice day.
Dony read only the bold characters XD This is not a len,k==>chainalysis.com/blog/ofac-sanctions/
These are sanctioned addresses that custodial services are supposed to block. This doesn’t block the addresses or wallets from going into the next bitcoin block. Although that is within the realm of possibilities, I haven’t seen it happen yet. I already mentioned that this can happen before. You should read the entire thread. The government could subsidize mining and take over riot, marathon, and the other big mining businesses then filter out those sanctioned addresses from blocks. However, I also said that the fee market is what determines censorship resistance in money. This is all speculation but if the government announced it was going to subsidize mining, that would legitimize bitcoin to the world. The price would pump and other governments would jump in to mine as well. This inevitably would weaken the dollar which is not what the government would want to do. Other countries like Russia and Iran would rush to gain hash power to prevent the US from sanctioning them. More countries would encourage mining businesses to operate in order to profit and a lot would welcome miners from the US. And as the price of bitcoin goes up, the demand for dollars declines. The government would need to print more money to keep subsidizing and censoring blocks which would drive more people away from dollars and into Bitcoin. They’re shooting themselves in the foot and destroying their currency. In order to be censorship resistant, the censored transactions would have to bid higher fees to incentivize mining those transactions. As those fees get higher, rogue miners go online. This is similar to how “illegal” drug dealers pop up when it becomes profitable to do so. I think this type of government attack will fail. But it remains to be seen. https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Censorship-Resistance-Property
At this point its already known that countrys mine bitcoin as part of their "cover ops". So they wont come up and say they are mining. so govs take control of major electrical grid and mine w it. Then introduce kyc to anyone. The fees are not matter at this point. Individual mining doesnt matter also as this point. What matter is who win those blocks, which country win those blocks. They wont be an annoncement about gov financing/mining bitcoin, they also wont legitimize it 'cuz law around the world are "different". And like in those HW they will choose who is in and who is out.
This is all speculation about an unknown future. I see things play out differently from you and I plan around that. There is no sense in arguing about things no one can predict. But we have to be prepared to live with the consequences of being wrong. What if the bitcoiners end up being right? Would you be okay missing all those gains? If the answer is yes then you have nothing to worry about. But if the answer is no then maybe consider holding some just in case. No one can guarantee its success or demise. We can only do the best we can with the information we have available to us today.
No one here vouching for Monero has missed out on any gains. We were here since the very beginning. The question you need to ask yourself is, WHEN you care more for your safety than another fiat multiplier. Fast forward 10 years from now, when BTC will have reached its full investment potential and behaves more like boring paper traded gold. Still see no value in privacy for your wealth? Sooner or later any Bitcoiner will come around to Monero. Why do you think fiat offshore accounts exist?
Yall missed out on a lot of gains what are you talking about lol you can use Bitcoin privately or swap to monero when you want to spend idk man do whatever you want lmao https://image.nostr.build/9ed974352056324783b5c995b977aed45860d0749823231974ad3ab65eb32f65.jpg
I see, the maxi fallacy that one can only own one coin at a time and also only starting in 2018. When I say we have been here since the very beginning I don't mean 2018. I mean the early days of Bitcoin. How do you think we could have come up with Monero ten years ago without using studying and examining Bitcoin beforehand?
Never said you can only use one coin. I said you can save in bitcoin and spend in monero if you don’t trust bitcoin.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm simply giving the normal person perspective. Most people still store their wealth (if any) in fiat, have 0 financial privacy, and have the full risk of rug/censorship by their bank. Most do this despite knowing about Bitcoin, "crypto", etc.
Most people allow their calculator app to access their location 😂
Most people think cookies are fun internet points 💀
They think relevant ads are a sign from the universe to buy something 😂
Sad state of affairs
most people take an experimental gene therapy which does not protect against infection and transmission and then want to force others to do the same.
most people are slaves. it is fine for me if they are happy with it. i am not.
you can buy an anonymous debit card with monero for zero fees through cake wallet
Link?
these anonymous debit cards are linda bs, dont you think? like if i buy one then use it to pay any bill with ny name on it ..then its completely doxxing that i used monero or btc to buy it. i can,understand buying a giftcard and using it in store but a visa card ...seems terrible. also just perpetuates the fiat machine imo.
kinda bs*
you forgot an n at the end of your name Moro
lol, alright man. im trying to have a convo here ✌️
a gift card does not "perpetuate the fiat machine"? if you put your name on any bill, they know your name, no matter if your pay with cash, card, xmr or flintstones. do i need to explain that to you?
you dont 'need' to explain anything to me. i can barely see from up on your high horse up there sir...plenty of other people i can have a reasonable conversation with in the sea.
Hey sir, i tell you my name and you put it on your bill, am i still anonymous now? Great conversation
Well, that means that when you start using Monero, you will be one more person. And then the next person will have one last person to say that about.
So just like Bitcoin in 2010...
Yes, back when Bitcoin making a change from the corrupt cartels and cronies to give human freedom back.
ya, ive always found the anonymity set too small argument made against monero to be dumb af, then the btc influencer will turn around and talk for 30 mins about how much diff one person can make for btc adoption 🫠
I think trying to advocate for Bitcoin adoption in order to make a difference is dumb. No matter how many people you orange pill, it won’t make a significant difference in price or political policy. Doing it just because you want to help others and grow your network of friends makes more sense.
I orange pilled people for many years. Now i don't do that anymore. Bitcoin will not give them freedom. Bitcoin will be part of the financial system with full surveillance. Sadly.
I agree that bitcoin doesn’t necessarily give you freedom. I think it’s a tool that can help you get freedom so I still refer to it as freedom money. But getting freedom comes down to the efforts of the individual. His mentality, his understanding of people that can hurt him, and the time he puts in to preserve his liberty. But I disagree with your other point. I think eventually fiat dies and governments won’t be able to afford to surveil everyone. It could get ugly before that happens and the ones that didn’t prepare, won’t have that freedom. Idk if you read mandibles but toward the end of the book, the protagonist realizes that the country couldn’t actually stop people from leaving to a different jurisdiction that offered more freedom. They could only use propaganda to scare people into thinking their chips would self destruct and kill them when they crossed the border and that the other jurisdiction was a crime infested and uninhabitable disaster. They also couldn’t afford to keep military or police forces at the border to stop people from leaving. He realizes that it was all a bluff because they couldn’t afford to do anything more.
I do not know the book. I think it is very easy and cheap for the gov to surveil everybody. In only a few years you will have mandatory digital ID. Then they only have to write a law into their magic book that only BTC transactions connected to a digital ID are legal. If you send to somebody without that, you commit a crime and they punish you for that. People will comply. You saw that with the covid theater. People take a experimental gene therapy just to fit in and then try to force others to do the same. If you store your wealth in BTC which they will know, or any other asset in the banking system, you can leave the country but they will take your stuff with an exit tax.
I think those are all possible scenarios which I’ve thought of. So what’s the solution in your opinion?
build a network of like minded people build a online business / income stream leave while you still can get a second passport. look for a country which gives you more freedom or live as a perpetual traveler invest in stuff they can not take from you wait it out until the welfare states collapse
If you’re doing all that, Bitcoin should be fine for you right?
IMO no, at least not as an exclusive store of value. They know you have it, so they will try to get it. The fungibility of Bitcoin sucks, i will publish something which just happened to me about "tainted coins" in the next few days. I convert my BTC to Monero and dump the rest on Wall Street.
How do they know you have it if you get it non kyc?
i guess sooner or later they will mandate digital id for anyone who accepts btc payments. as the payments are transparent, how do you want to circumvent that?
If they could do that to Bitcoin then they would do it to monero too. But if somehow they didnt, then I’d just swap to monero and get those gift cards you mentioned.
They can not do that to Monero, that is the point.
Why not?
Because nobody can say if you own any, which addresses you have, if you have any at all. There is a reason why ransomware payments are done in monero
They don’t need to. A fed just needs to pay for something in monero then arrest the business owner for not complying with KYC. Make an example out of a few businesses then everyone else will be too scared to touch monero. An old Chinese proverb says, “kill one, warn a thousand.”
if they know who is the seller, see darknet markets.
I don’t use the darknet markets. Tell me how I can use monero to buy steak from the grocery store.
me not either. why would you buy a steak with monero?
Isn’t that the point of money lol
ok.
So when they force digital ID on everyone and businesses require it, how can I buy steak, electricity, gas, medicine?
If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
I actually thought this conversation was going somewhere productive but it sounds like you don’t have an answer. If they force digital ID on everyone, which is very difficult to do, then your little monero gift card swapping platform would also be forced to comply. Then your monero privacy becomes worthless.
the conversation and your questions are actually pretty boring. it does not require a high iq to imagine that there will be people who do not comply, like people buying drugs now or evade taxes nowadays. if they use a value transfer system which allows them to stay anonymous, they can do their own thing. if they use a public ledger without privacy, they can not. hard to get?
Logical fallacy: moving the goal posts. I asked a simple question, don’t change the subject. How can I buy things that are really important and essential to my life like steak, gas, and medicine? I don’t need things from the darknet. I know some people will not comply but most will and that is a problem. So how do I get those things that I need with monero if they require digital ID from everyone?
You lucky you seem not yet to have met #theCabal in full extermination mode #covert #occultwarfare ... Your time will come. Choices. Not easy choices. I took the hard choices, to do the hard things; remain free. I'm £33,000,000,000,000 or so in #remotetorture to #suicide later. I'm still free. ;)
Some will kneel nostr: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
ps I know them well #BritishArmy trained #warfighter and ... I #knowmyenemy ... And tip: they'll exterminate you harder if you're a wimp. They have no respect for people, who won't even fight to protect their very own life (never mind others' lives).
Those who can't even muster up a little #civildisobedience nostr: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 oh bro, they're so #mincemeat already they're walking dead. RIP.
"How can I buy things that are really important and essential to my life like steak, gas, and medicine?" OK. You want serious responses? nostr: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 2 of those are not essential; grow up little boy in warzone.
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You’re taking my replies to another conversation out of context. I’m not interested in being a soldier. I know I don’t NEED those things but I want those things. I want steak and a good quality of life. If I can’t have that, then I’ll leave the jurisdiction and live somewhere that treats me better. We can practice civil disobedience but it has limitations. The majority of people will comply. That’s reality. You can’t change that. If you think arguing with nyms on nostr will wake up the world to tyranny and educate everyone on the importance of privacy, then you must be retarded. But that’s not what we are arguing about. I was asking the monero shill how monero is better for me than bitcoin if the state implements a digital ID. He failed to explain that. So GFY. muted.
For those interested in my reply (not Mahood, but ...). "You’re taking my replies to another conversation out of context. " Maybe, shame you missed the apology for doing so through the #mute. ;) "I’m not interested in being a soldier. " Few are, but when extermination by military means comes unwanted through the wall ... It's already too late to be taking decisions about what you might do. "I know I don’t NEED those things but I want those things. I want steak and a good quality of life. If I can’t have that, then I’ll leave the jurisdiction and live somewhere that treats me better. " Oh so clueless about #GlobalDictatorship (which is ... ironic considering the point he thinks he was trying to make). "We can practice civil disobedience but it has limitations." Incorrect. Logical conclusion (if you're upset enough) is of course #RightToRevolt (enshrined in law if you're a US citizen). "The majority of people will comply. That’s reality. You can’t change that. " Look what happened during #COVID ... no arguments on your above. But I have #NaturalLaw rights. "If you think arguing with nyms on nostr will wake up the world to tyranny and educate everyone on the importance of privacy, then you must be retarded. " No retarded people call people names on social media and then mute them. (that's a form of #abuse). #HitAndRun Nice. "But that’s not what we are arguing about. I was asking the monero shill how monero is better for me than bitcoin if the state implements a digital ID. He failed to explain that. So GFY. muted." I tried. He's just another clueless ... set to die. Why? There's only two types of people in a warzone; 1) the hunter; 2) the hunted. Choose wisely. Whilst nostr: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 ... runs ... (back to the enemy, I personally never found wise).
dont waste your time on that kid, he is some low iq loser who can not think for himself, i muted him.
Cheers for the tip. I found the mute button for the first time too. Nice. :)
Hey daddy, tell me what to think!
Bitcoin was BUILT on #civildisobedience Grow a pair; disobey.
You still don't understand that Bitcoin & Monero are ultimately black market money (the only markets that are permissionless) and it's entire premise relies on that. Any honeymoon period is fleeting. We already see them cracking down with recent events. The state can make any arbitrary rules they want on white market transactions including banning Bitcoin and Monero. https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Permissionless-Principle
I’ve read this before and I don’t disagree with it. But you missed the context of my comment. I was trying to make that guy prove to me how monero is better off than bitcoin if the government requires digital ID for all purchases. I can’t pay for things like steak, medicine, or my electric bill privately.
The only other thing I would add is that since their core use is black markets you would want to turn the anonymity and privacy dials up as much as possible because it becomes an information war. Whatever fulfills that role of shielding users whether it is some Bitcoin layer, or Monero, or some other crypto that carries that torch (if Bitcoin & Monero drop the ball) will become the most used. The name doesn't really matter. With the way large western global institutions talk about things like "carbon pollution"...you might only be able to source steak from black markets in some places in the future. Who knows.
"They" are about 1000x more likely to do this first with bitcoin than with monero. nostr:nevent1qqsgcxn6yf2dds9275g2uttznre0s88j4pt5ern9pkuwr7s6j4g5fzcpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmqzypzlr9w0ljuvjujwlsjg7pg85taktdtem7470nf48xzes93u4dmzwqcyqqqqqqg257p8d
1) What’s your evidence for believing that they will do it to bitcoin first? 2) why does it matter? If they can do that to either coin, they eventually will.
price point incentivizes regulatory capture. only a coin that can be used *without announcing it's use* stands a chance against state attacks.
In order for monero to be useful, its use needs to be “announced” so your position doesn’t make sense.
There are orders of magnitude of difference between 1. knowing your peer accepts a thing and using it privately and 2. recording the tx on a transparent ledger anyone with an internet connection can see All central points (gift card providers, CEXs etc) have the same weakness, whether BTC or XMR, and are susceptible to pressure Privacy is the only thing that makes direct p2p censorship resistant.
The more they hammer #XMR the more you know you need own it. ;)
I would own it if it was useful to me
Spend in #XMR (via transform service if needs be from other coin). #privacy
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Same. Especially considering ~95% of Bitcoiners KYC and don't coinjoin let alone every spend. They speak as if all Bitcoin is their anon set when in reality it is a microscopic fraction of their peers coinjoining with them.
