Oddbean

Hopefully we don't have so much hate and harassment on Nostr that reports end up spamming relays with events more so than unreported content. That would be wild and we would have failed as a species.

I'm condfident that the hate and harasment can be solved through better community and feed curation. WOT - great even if computationally expensive for personal curation from a set of relays (low level) relay mods - the judge with the hammer on who can or can't be in your park. (high level) these are already great tools to help curate feeds. Right now, everyone on nostr is a community of enthusiasts, but its not super cohesive in ideals. Smaller communities with tools for moderation (high and low level, cross level communication) will be the best defence for toxicity. Take the reddit model of community - even your own relays are an approximation for a community. Take care of it and keep bad actors out, do it for all the communities you intersect with, even if you arent a leader. That + WOT + relay moderation + user<->mod communications is how we find our niches and our communities on nostr. Everyone will find the right community for them, even those we see as the most toxic. nostr:nevent1qqsqgkmzd242kwhffzw9r344apelvf80n4eqrguuafrv3883s355gsqpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmqzyrwye5yxe47wtvvr9t05lhgjzy5f3qxjcl3ft09su6zvqxkwua7qvqcyqqqqqqgksz2x8

I bring this up to you Derek because when I first started roaming around nostr I kept seeing this weird thing - '@nostrplebs.com'. What is it? I go to the website and I see this https://nostrplebs.com/directory - a directory of users. This seems like a community of users on nostr that at belong to something, and they also seem knowledgable enough to have a nostr address - I'd like to be part of this. And that's how I got my nostr address. Wouldn't it be cool to see the interests of the community of "nostrplebs"? What are their technical interests, maybe they can also help other "plebs" out to learn bitcoin and nostr and contribute to a nostr-native knowledge base built from members of nostrplebs. I really can't overstate how much I think community tools are needed. I think It will be a real take off point for the protocol.

Thank you. I think this is a good model. I like WoT and think it's extremely useful. I also think @Alex Gleason's Ditto client that allows you to have feeds from Nostr address domains is a great way to build and participate in a community.

Its the unison and communication of both sides of moderation that i want to emphasize. The simplest way to do that is through exclusive relays (nostrplebs) where the paid aspect of it is already one barrier, but bad actors are then informed on by users to the relay operators to kick them off. When that fails and the relay operator/community mods won't remove the people you don't want to interact with there's WOT, another computational method to filter your feed. When WOT fails, there's manually muting. Three different scales of filtering that help eachother. Relay mod/level filtering removes 90% of bad actors to your community, this helps reduce the WOT calculation which is computationally expensive. Lastly, muting as a last resort, but by that time the pool of possible people to mute is drastically reduced. Any social media will not last if you need to manually mute hundreds of accounts. The UX isn't there because right now we assume nostr itself is one single community -> you join the centralized relays and only follow the users you care about. But this means you'll share the same streets with people opposed to you. This is not a problem of "diversity in opinions" or "being pro censorship" or however you frame it. I'll talk to anyone willing to engage in conversation, but don't come to me shouting and wishing death upon me. I don't care about the name calling, but you're clearly not in a frame of mind to communicate. Upholding intolerence of intolerence and removing bad faith communication/activity from your community will always be important. The problem is we don't have tools fine grained enough for the users, relay operators or community leaders to cururate a community and isolate from the external environment. When nostr has communities of users conpletely opposed to each other in ideals flourishing and unaware of eachother, thats when we've hit a critical mass. Fragmented and decentralized enough such that it is strengthened and can continue to exist even when its users are the pole's apart in ideals.

It's part of what's now been defined (after a 10 year fatal fight) at the U.N. ( via Special Rapporteur on Torture, Inhumane and Degrading Treatment as #cybertorture (see documents folder in .zip here for documentary background: https://www.cipherassets.com/2022/11/operation-order-of-nine-angles-opo9a.html including that UN definition ). Arrived on #nostr in part to see if it could be used for court records, like so: https://coracle.social/topics/TortureLog starting to work. NB #NewHumanRights #Colorado (relate); 1. https://gazette.com/military/conspiracy-theory-claims-schriever-air-force-base-home-to-mind-control-torture-system/article_9eccb330-a6fc-11e8-978c-3b510945024d.html (my allegations, 2018). 2. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/first-law-protecting-consumers-brainwaves-signed-by-colorado-governor/ar-BB1lOVeM 3. https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2024A/bills/2024a_1058_01.pdf Example(s): per #TortureLog ... not just WOT score manipulation (to keep my credibility low/economic warfare #4thReich etc) ... also manipulating my followers and follwing counts (same account I can't follow ... no matter how many times I try etc). Usual bullshit for me (but maybe you don't realise this stuff happens on #nostr too (torture) ... and will get up to speed more with the right #nostrdevs (me being new doesn't know who they are) and try ... better code (somehow). TIA for the interest in this subject. #cybertorture

WOT score held at 28 ... bust through, leapt to where abouts it likely should have been (64-67) ... What do you see now though (and all my new following reset AND all my followers, dumped ... down to 2 (?). :/

Punishment squad for; https://coracle.social/notes/ nevent1qydhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgunsd3jkyuewvdhk6tcprpmhxue69uhkxun9v968ytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qywhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytndw46xjmnewaskcmr9wshxxmmd9uq32amnwvaz7tmhv4k8x6rdv9hzuun9d3shjtcpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43z7qgawaehxw309ahx7um5wghxy6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skctcpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wshsz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7um5wghxyee0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcqyqap5dzlhnnsxv7dnwmmyllnack3qkfe6mxytuwl5gcg0zm0ugmm259enw7

Note, to detect #Marberg loose in #UK right now in #London we would need our #NHS #testinglabs ... to be working. Are you aware of the #ransomware attack on ... #NHS in #London / #UK right now (taking out as it would just so happen ... our TESTING LAB RESULTS). ;) #OpO9A

Actually noted a similar idea. Specifically want to emphasize social robustness, or how well individuals can share the same space. Considering we're already decently robust to censorship, I don't see as it productive to worry about censorship unless you're specifically mentioning changes to the core of nostr. So I'm pro nostr-fragmentation. From a historical perspective, we've typically never had this frequent contact with more people outside our tribe, and the times we did was less likely to be a positive reason. (probably) nostr:nevent1qqsx5gxqpyl994v9cmduaeklppwewxkltahsg3nd937mdpxchdnjj6gpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsdcnxssmxheed3sv4d7n7azggj3xyq6tr799dukrngfsq6emnhcpsrqsqqqqqpzmsyqk Also thinking about something i'm calling a shield, or "on demand social bubbles". Bottom-up user defined communities. Something as simple as a whitelist of npubs that you see and blackout everyone else, define multiple communties and there might be some interesting interplay between the overlapping npubs between users.