Its not as interesting as mempool.space

since you can't see sender,receiver and amount. 

 I mean, if such thing exist for the part of live fees priority and cost 

 Monero txs are so cheap (usually less than .01 USD)  basically nobody worries about it.

There was an issue with some network flooding a few months ago where people who needed to get a tx in a block had to up their fee.
But that was the first Ive heard of any fee market in years. 

 That was an attack on dnm… they made $300k stealing from them… 

 no cap?

they were somehow brute forcing privkeys?
how did flooding txs steal xmr?
which DNM was the target? 

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https://image.nostr.build/ca3b54921ffdb23cd65bc0d6c42deaa15757aad35bfbd8cfc1574bdd233a382e.jpg
https://image.nostr.build/5ee873149648e0a3398e6f418baa293a615a64130d9504185423f4bacb777978.jpg 

 https://image.nostr.build/a385b91c6558027337175fcc90c141945a7853170a3685f80a69f11257a83e0e.jpg 

 jfc
don't people have anything better to do? 

 Apparently not 

 what a monero block explorer looks like FYI

https://localmonero.co/blocks/ 

 anyone with a block explorer and enough knowledge to follow the money.

they are going to map the entire utxo set using existing KYC/AML info and assign confidence scores to all of it

large institutions will pay CA to help them avoid tainted, risky utxos. 

 Large institutions ARE paying CA to avoid risky utxos.
its a huge business. 

 Seems arbitrary and at an individual level the argument falls apart. Because a person or institution decides to not accept a specific utxo doesnt make that thing init of itself nonfungible. 
Individuals can do what they please. 

 the point is that it is possible to differentiate between utxos of the same 'value'

IOW, 'value' is not the only characteristic of a new utxo.
Because the ledger is transparent, 'history' is also communicated.

And because their 'history' is not the same, utxos of the same 'value' are nonfungible.
by definition.

yes and *then* people can make whatever decisions they want.

but we have decided that
"fungible"
means that units of equal size cannot be differentiated from each other.

and bitcoin is not that.
 

 Rare sats for example. 

 fucking rare sats 🙄 

 Rare sats are funny 😂 an example but a silly example. 

I see the perspective of the history, metadata about this utxo chain but this is at the human level. Imposed onto it. At the network level a utxo is a utxo. A sat is a sat, no matter how long or short its chained history is. 

Sure obfuscation of this history seems to provide ppl ”value” but not on the network. 

 sure
whatever.
nodes don't care.

its still not fungible in real life.
de facto nonfungible.

so let's all go ahead
get over the fact
and move on

bitcoin does NOT have all the properties of money
it's probably never going to have strong privacy
and its a big fucking problem 

 Good convo, i appreciate the push back and knowledge sharing. 
STACK SATS 🤙 

 lol cya 

 Every utxo is literally distinct... 

 https://image.nostr.build/3f1f53eef8f5124c7ad6bc9697215f8135969dc91ce79d0ae4dd471a82c4b0c7.jpg

 If there was only a list of exchanges oh wait... 

 Exchange is a keyword 

 Each to their own.
I intend on using BTC as a store of value but will deffo make an effort to send XMR to nostriches who accept it. 

 there's a meme for this.
but basically,

CJs are expensive,
utxos management is hard,
you need to be organized so you dont compromise whatever privacy you gain,
and
as of today,
without Whirlpool there are NO good CJ implementations active,
so it's not really an option anyway

So you could figure out a kludgey and expensive workaround,
study up on the CJ implementation so you really understand what kind of entropy you are gaining
and what foot guns are possible
etc

or you could
you know,
just use monero. 

 I'm willing to make that effort to both preserve my privacy and be wealthy

Plus all my spending is over lightning which already has near perfect privacy so double makes monero useless to me

I gave it an honest chance, had some and mined some, but all I could do with it was lose purchasing power and buy drugs 

 If LN is private it's only because nobody is looking (yet).
and its only sender privacy, we know receive privacy is nonexistent.

But you're really just giving up custody arent you??? Just recreate the fiat system online and trust the bank right? 😩 

 You don't have to give up any custody to use lightning, you just have to run your own node. (It's hard I admit)

With a bit of effort you can receive with privacy as well. 

 I have been looking into the Alby Hub thing...
But yeah, so far LN has definitely not been a legitimate privacy tool. Maybe the UX improving with sovereign nodes will change that.

or maybe ecash will.

but they haven't yet and every year the maxis are crowing about *something* that will do the job.
but there's just nothing so far except noise.

monero remains undefeated. 

 Have you looked into Zeus? Only lightning wallet with acceptable privacy from the LSP. 

 I installed it after their big update to try it out.

It did not just work and I couldn't be pissed to screw around with it  

 Yeah it's a bit clunky but worth looking into it. First lightning wallet I feel comfortable using instead if xmr. For most things at least. 

 I use Phoenix for when I need to use LN.
It's ok for my threat model. 

 Pretty clean wallet but they see the destination of your payments. I like their buying incoming liquidity option. Soon Zeus will have the same. 

 Plus utxo that are from or only a few hops removed from coinjoins will be rejected in more and more places. To be fair, lightning fixes this to some extent. 

 You assuming that Monero Bros are not "rich in fiat terms"  is very interesting as most people I know in Monero have been in Bitcoin from the very beginning and most of them have a core position in Bitcoin.

So I guess it is them who started to value their privacy much more early than you as they akready have a need for a private store of value and a means to privately spend their Bitcoins.