With the spike in the price of Dogecoin this week I was curious how its price is correlated to the energy input by its mining network, to see how sustainable and predictable it's price rise is over the long term.
I compared it to the same stats of BTC and LTC over the same 6 year time period.
Turns out, for both LTC and DOGE, their growth in prices and hashrate are not correlated at all!
Meanwhile, Bitcoin's correlation between its (debasement adjusted) price and hashrate is 95%+ showing it's long term sustainability.
There is no second best.
Stay humble and stack sats.
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Good Morning! 🌄
Share something about life that makes you feel good lately! Bitcoin related or not.
I'll start. Yesterday I walked my new dog in the morning, and read some of the book #FiatFood while sitting in the shade of trees. Then I got to spend the entire day in the kitchen! Made stuffed peppers (for dinner) and banana bread most notably, but did other stuff too. 😁
Never had beef bacon, but we have been enjoying regular bacon more lately! The bacon grease adds amazing flavor and texture to the eggs and toast made right after in the same pan.
Not my wife (yet) but my GF bought some this year just a few months into us dating! She'll probably be that wife you're talking about next cycle, and the nice thing we'll probably buy will be a house. 😊😁
The most radical thing you can do... that actually changes the world for the better without unnecessarily killing innocent people and probably ruining your own life in the process too.
GM. 🌅
As the price continues to rise, stay rational and do not let emotions control your actions.
One thing to remember is that, more than any other commodity in history, the Bitcoin market actual links to TWO others: The energy market and the currency market.
Think of the energy market, the currency market and the Bitcoin market as a triangle that must remain in balance. Like a rubber band they pull on each other, if they get too imbalanced they must correct.
Bitcoin's price on the currency market can rise and rise, without any grounding in reality, as retail FOMO really kicks in. (This phase still hasn't begun this cycle but it will soon as we keep making new ATHs.)
Bitcoin's price on the energy market, however, cannot rise uncontrollably no matter how much FOMO is going on with the currency market.
Because the mining network's ability to exchange kWH for Sats is limited by our ability to both produce cheap energy to sell, and our ability to create and use ASICS that do the work (securing the network with that energy in exchange for Sats).
When the price on the currency market goes much higher than the price on the energy market, then the price of the equipment (ASICS) that are able to create Bitcoin (for less than it costs on the open market) will go up and as it does so will production.
But, as ASICS are a free market good limited by our production capacity, the ability to produce new ASICS in response to demand will be too delayed. Partially because ramping up production right when we're historically about to have another major bear market, would be a foolish thing for a company to do.
When the currency market price quickly goes up way higher than the marginal cost of production is on the energy market, the price will inevitably crash to return to its marginal cost of production. This is necessary for the market to remain healthy and based in reality.
We may very well reach $500k or more on the currency market by the end of this cycle, but, if the average mining costs are unable grow to similar levels per coin in the same time frame, then it WILL correct.
Think about it logically, if it costs $80k to mine a Bitcoin today then it would require roughly tripling the hashrate of the mining network to bring it's marginal cost of production to $250k. Bitcoin is already the largest computational network on earth by a significant margin after 15 years. Do you really think that in less than 1 year we can triple it? This becomes more unlikely the older and larger the network gets.
Some people say the mining network has nothing to do with it's price, I couldn't disagree more. They are fundamentally linked and to think otherwise misses the big picture.
Bitcoin will not always be priced in dollars, it will ALWAYS be priced in kWH of energy. All Bitcoin are tokens that represents the value of the energy used to create new coins, which is consistently rising over time and will likely continue to do so at a sustainable pace.
Learn the game, play it, and win.
Selling Dollars for Bitcoin is best done when Bitcoin's price on the currency market is BELOW it's marginal cost of production on the energy market. Buying Dollars with Bitcoin is best done when it's price on the currency market is ABOVE its marginal cost of production on the energy market.
While the price is volatile, if the price on the currency market is above or below the price on the energy market then it's volatility will lean in the direction of the other market.
Since the two markets are fundamentally linked together and must remain close to each other over time, you're essentially arbitraging the two markets when you sell Bitcoin above it's energy cost and buy it back when it's below. This is not easy however, with many having tried to time the open market failing to do so.
I believe their mistake is in trying to time the currency market and ignoring the energy market. So consider both when deciding on long term moves, doing this you are more likely to grow your stack and also will help stabilize the price over the long term as arbitrage tends to do between markets.
Ignore the energy market at your own peril, whether you're a trader or a HODLer it's something in which you should be keenly paying attention.
Personal predictions:
$1 (USD) = 1000 Sats or less before the end of the year.
$1 = 160 - 400 sats somewhere around the end of the 3rd quarter 2025.
$1 = 800 - 1400 Sats around 4th quarter 2026.
$1 = 100 Sats or less mid to late 3rd quarter 2029.
Stay humble and stack sats.
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Why would believing something that has no evidence and nobody can agree on the details of, causing significant division in society distracting us from what's really going on, a middle finger to the elite?
The elite LOVE religion, it gives them more control and you're falling for it my friend.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
- Seneca Lucius Seneca, Circa 50 CE.
Read Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins.
You know if you take a moment to actually think about it, society can't get anything accomplished because we're all being drained of so much energy it's not even funny.
Do you own something expensive that you, as a struggling person, couldn't afford to cover financially in a rare emergency? Like a home? Car? (Your own) Human body? Make sure you have INSURANCE. Home insurance + Car insurance + Health insurance + Dental Insurance + Vision insurance etc.
These insurance plans cost combined close to if not over $1000/mo typically for the average person, unless you're employer gives insurance benefits to reduce their costs. That is 20% of the median pre-tax income!
"According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), American workers made a median wage of $1,139 per week in the first quarter of 2024, which would add up to $59,228 per year." - https://www.fidelity.com/learning-center/smart-money/average-salary-in-us
Don't forget INCOME TAXES lowering take home, making insurance effectively nearly 25% of post tax income.
Let's say you earn $60,000 a year, your total income taxes (including SS and Medicare) lower that 20% to about $48k.
$1k a month Insurance costs lowers that to $36k.
Median rent is somewhere between $1.5k and $2k a month depending on source. Let's go with $1.5k. $18k a year which cuts your remaining take home pay in half again.
Insurance, taxes, and rent. In just those 3 categories alone, 70% of the average income is gone without you even getting to own anything in return.
After all that you have $18k left for the entire year. That's $1500 a month to cover utilities (including cell phone and Internet bills), emergencies, food, entertainment, 1 or more car payments, saving for retirement, pay for your kids, pay for higher education.
It also gets worse every year since our wages and savings reduce in value consistently, because they're denominated in units that has its supply expand (and value contract) ~7% a year.
We're all being leached of more energy than ever before in history, and we're not even done yet!
Buy something at the store? Mandatory ~8% sales tax.
Buy a home instead of rent? Mandatory ~2% annual property tax to live in the home you supposedly own.
Buy anything anywhere with a debit or credit card? ~3% processing fee. You don't see this fee, but the business does and necessarily includes the cost in higher prices so you're still paying for it regardless.
Want to be entertained? Neverending subscriptions and/or ads. The average person spends hundreds of dollars a month for subscriptions, this is PERPETUAL RENTING! You're not building anything by being a subscriber to these services.
Imagine what we could do as a society if we could finally kick the leeches to the curb. There is no end to the prosperity and progress we could accomplish if we could end the siphoning of energy from everyone.
Life shouldn't be this hard, and it doesn't have to be. The time of the leeches is ending.
I would like to take a moment to congratulate Bitcoin for such a milestone!
Once again through it's mining incentive Bitcoin successfully paid humanity to convert significant amounts of waste energy into the security value of a continuously maintained decentralized globally available network, while at the same time successfully processing thousands of international final settlement transactions with no trusted 3rd party in only 10 min.
Bitcoin has once again enabled the true saving of value across time by all participants by offering an asset that is free of arbitrary and unpredictable debasement, incredibly increasing the ability of people to see the benefit of saving for the long term and having a low time preference.
Voting for Bitcoin (by participating in it as a saver) votes for the following policies:
Honesty in finance - No more wolf of wall street types taking risks with other people's money and getting bailed out by the money printer when they fail.
Integrity in government - No more imbalanced budgets paid for through the "sale" of treasuries that get purchased by the Federal Reserve from an account with a 0 balance (as that only steals productivity from both the future and the present), leading to only honest taxation to fund voter approved projects.
Anti-War - It becomes more expensive to wage war for all sides, and thus less likely to occur.
More Efficient Economy - No more middle men taking 2%+ cuts of every transaction you ever make only to take that money and fund projects you don't like. The only transaction fees paid in Bitcoin go to sustain the network for the long term.
More Privacy - No more surveillance over every transaction and all it's details, able to decline transactions they don't approve. Yes the block chain is traceable, but there's no data on where or for what the transaction occured and no transaction can be blocked when it's truly P2P.
With all these incredible policies, Bitcoin still has my vote in this never ending race against corruption and greed for a truly better world. The longer we vote for Bitcoin the better life gets for ourselves and the world around us.
The best part is Bitcoin has no term limits, when adoption fully occurs it will be here to stay.
Don't stress too much about something you have no control over, if you save in Bitcoin you are doing more to move the world towards a better future than all current pro-FIAT politicians combined.
Keep perspective on the bigger picture of the long term instead of just the here and now. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither will the future we WILL create on the foundation of the hardest money to ever exist.
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I like this. If someone doesn't engage much then they won't care enough to be reminded to back up their nsec. If someone does engage then gently reminding them to back it up and give themselves a username is a great way spread out onboarding info to get them to not feel overwhelmed by the technical details of it all.
First time babysitting friend's kids today. It's kinda hectic but not so bad. Parenting 10 hour trial run 😆.
One day I'll have my own little "human puppies" / "gremlins" / "crotch goblins" (as my girlfriend and I jokingly call kids 😂) running around, it'll be amazing but I will definitely miss the quiet calmness of childless adult life. Worth it though. I look forward to being a Dad someday.
I'm so sorry to hear that!
I suggest they get a Vitamix blender (powerful enough to break down tough fiber into a smooth consistency, even carrots and kale) and blend lots of fresh fruits and vegetables for him to drink. I personally regularly drink the following recipe and use it to make 2 different ones focusing on green or red for the final color.
16oz liquid (water or milk)
24oz various raw fruit
12oz various raw veggies (roots/greens)
2 scoops of vanilla protein powder
12oz ice
Optionally add dates to sweeten further.
Blend on speed 10 for 2 min straight, then when finished blend on low for a few min on and off to massage all the bubbles out so it's not foamy. This keeps in the fridge for a while so you can spend a few hours filling the fridge with smoothies to drink throughout the next few days.
I store mine in the fridge in pint mason jars with leak proof lids.
I wouldn't have the peace of mind about the future that I have now. I wouldn't have healed from my trauma as much. I would be living a very different life. I prefer my life on Bitcoin to what it would've been without it.
The state of society is sad these days.
I see tons of online posts and hear friends conversations talking about degradation of quality and increasing prices, comments blaming the greed of the businesses for having a harder time affording things.
I really think most people are so far down the rabbit hole that their lives will need to get significantly worse while Bitcoiner's lives just improve around them for them to realize we're right and not just crack pots who don't know what we're talking about.
I have some friends who have outright told me they just don't care about what I've learned about Bitcoin and money, that I'm not an economist.
Just stack and don't worry about everyone else. They'll learn eventually and at their own pace. We can't save everyone.
I want to make one thing clear.
People who are different from you are NOT the problem with modern society.
Stop blaming each other for a systemic failure of our economic system.
We CAN coexist peacefully on an honest hard money system.
The problem is the foundation of the specific section of our language and communication is broken! The communication of the transfer of value across space and time is utterly destroyed due to the money printers.
Save in Bitcoin, opt out of the mechanism of monetary inflation that is destroying humanity and it's ability to flourish.
Stop hating each other, we are all far more alike then we are different.
We all want the freedom to make our own decisions and to lead our own lives the way we see fit. Help us all to get their sooner by fully embracing the best form of energy storage in history.
The more you support Bitcoin, the better off society and you personally will be.
Good Morning!
Remember: $1 is about 1400 sats now, zapping 210 sats is equal to $0.15, and 21 sats is $0.015.
The more you zap the more attractive Nostr is to everyone. Hate ads? Zap more so they can someday not use them anymore. Love good quality content? Zap it more.
Reward good content and ignore bad content and you're directly influencing the kind of content people will create!
Have a beautiful day everyone. 🌅
"Feminism is a scam"? Oh sure, let's go back to when women needed permission to do or buy anything without the permission of a male relative. Where woman weren't allowed to participate in society at all, no voting, no working, etc.
Enabling women to be independent and free of a man is a good thing if it's OPTIONAL, the FIAT system is the problem that has forced everyone to work twice as hard and need 2 incomes to survive which makes being a working woman not optional.
Make single income households possible again on a hard money Bitcoin standard, but in a modern way where either the man or woman can be the homemaker.
I'm a man and I plan on being the homemaker in my marriage with my current partner when we have kids. We both love the idea, I'll be a writer and take care of everything at home while she pursues her passions outside the home with my support.
GM! 🌅
If you could afford to do something that you cannot currently afford to do, but might soon be able to, what would it be?
Start a business? Write a book? Travel the world?
Maybe simply retire to a farm and just live a relaxed life?
Drop your dream below!
That sounds awesome! I'd love to actually live within different cultures for a few years to be able to experience some of the variety of what life is like across the world. Intimidating but exciting at the same time.
My dream is similar: travel to as many different places with historical/cultural significance as possible and perhaps write a book about it with the insights from locals and pictures I took along the way.
I also would love to start a few small businesses and open community centers, I have different ideas. One that I want to build is the option to watch old movies with big crowds of people, like a dollar theater that only shows classic movies. Maybe even have times for classic highly rated TV shows like Star Trek or Breaking bad. Watch critically acclaimed shows with other people every week and have a discussion social after! Like a book club but for movies and TV.
Serving low cost hot and cold food on the side. Also having a physical media store with copies of the movies shown to purchase and take home to own, along with the option to rent any of the other movies in the collection.
On this day 16 years ago, the Bitcoin White Paper was released to the world.
Detailing for the first time a workable method of value transfer across time and space between 2 parties with no middle men. It does so with a unit of account that will never be debased beyond 21,000,000 units, providing not only a way to transact freely but to efficiently store value across time without the assistance of any 3rd parties taking a cut.
The world didn't know it at the time, and they mostly still don't, but in that moment the cornerstone was laid for the freeing of humanity.
Humanity under Bitcoin will be free from the rent seeking class, free from the easy wars paid for by the money printers, free from debt slavery, freed from homelessness, freed from the quicksand of our current financial system that does nothing but rob humanity to our great detriment.
The future is bright, for Bitcoin is hope for a better world. A world which will arrive for you as soon as you fully understand that Bitcoin is here to stay, so you move your energy into the better system.
Bitcoin is hope, Bitcoin is freedom, Bitcoin is peace for the world and peace of mind for the individual.
Save in Bitcoin, think in Bitcoin, live on a personal Bitcoin standard and your life will slowly improve over time. Until one day you realize, you're free.
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It's an equilibrium. Price follows mining cost and mining cost follows price. It's a dance. The 2021 Bull run was cut short primarily because of the China mining ban which reduced the cost to mine significantly and the price couldn't be supported at a level so high compared to the mining cost.
Since you have openly said you do not care about the individuals involved or their extenuating circumstances, let me know when you decide to adopt abandoned sexually abused children who you forced to be born to drug addicted parents who didn't want them and sold their children to pedophiles. BTW not only do they have intense trauma that will take a lifetime to recover from, they also need to be given drugs to wean them off their pre-birth derived addictions while they likely will keep lifelong mental disabilities related to their early developmental environment. There are many of them in the foster care system right now waiting for you. I personally know people who have done exactly that, and they are incredible individuals for doing so.
It is easy to decide someone else's decisions for them based on supposedly higher moral grounds when you yourself have no consequences for forcing them to do so. I do not agree with you that forcing people to be born into a miserable abuse filled suffering life is preferable to just not being born. Your viewpoint makes me nauseous, shame on you.
Biologically there are 4 things people are driven to do with enough drive to have created 8,000,000,000 people alive today.
1: Breath
2: Drink water
3: Eat food
4: Reproduce
Good luck telling people all they have to do is not do what their hormones are driving them to do. Abstinence only education works so well to prevent teen pregnancies doesn't it?
I suppose we should prevent people who have obesity from getting help too, it's their fault they're fat after all because all they had to do was not eat!
You do not live in the real world.
Humans, when given the opportunities and education to know the best courses of action to avoid consequences of their actions, are generally reasonable and responsible people. I do think highly of well informed people with resources at their fingertips, but that is not the state of the world today.
Most people are deliberately kept in the dark with abstinence only education being the dominant education on sex given to hormone filled teenagers in conservative controlled countries such as much of the United States. There are also groups that fight contraceptive access and that discourage condom use, these are mostly religious groups who view pregnancy as divine punishment for women that shouldn't be avoided.
I think we agree more than disagree here. Expand access to contraceptives and expand education on safe sex practices, rather than just telling people "no sex! sex bad!" as is basically currently the case, and unwanted pregnancies and abortions would naturally plummet. That's what we all want, less unwanted pregnancies and less abortions.
Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I'm not also pro-life, but I believe consent of the woman and a desire and ability to care for the child in a safe environment free from abuse should be what every child born should expect. Children should be born only to people that want them and can effectively care for them, they should not be forced to be born to someone who doesn't love them and is likely to abuse or neglect them.
Only those who cannot sustain meaningful communication resort to insults. I did not insult you in any way, yet you insult me and my character.
Insulting a person only shows immaturity and a lack of arguments. If you learn how to be respectful in your communications it will get you farther in your goals of changing minds to your point of view.
A thriving microbiome from a mix of raw food sources including plant sources (while keeping the majority of caloric intake from animal products including milk).
I don't necessarily get the vibe you love him, but many Nostr users have a significant appreciation for him it seems.
Your post is pointing out the MSM comparing Trump to Hitler, I agree that saying things like that is not good journalism and leads to distrust of media that we all know is bought and paid for by those closest to the money printer. But Trump is pro dictatorships and has made many fascist statements as pointed out in the video. Qualities I don't particularly desire in the leader of the US.
At this point I just think of dollars as the local currency of a foreign country. I just buy enough dollars to pay the bills that request them. Over time they'll start to accept Bitcoin directly, it's inevitable.
Since Nostr is both a public way to share and save things permanently, I wanted to save/share a sobering comment from reddit about a woman's right to choose.
Regardless of your current view as Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, you likely are a well meaning person trying to do good based on the information you have been exposed to so far. That's commendable and I applaud your efforts to do what you believe will improve the world. That's what we all want, a better world for everyone. We have to communicate to find the best way to do it with the least amount of suffering.
If you are currently pro-life please know that I especially want to hear what your response is to the post below. From the data I have seen pro-choice policies reduce unnecessary suffering of everyone involved by preventing children from being born to people who are unequipped to care for them, and into situations where they are unwanted, unloved, and abused.
On #Reddit (as with all traditional social media) there is often no conversation, just isolated silos. Echo chambers where views are never discussed across a community table like they used to be.
Without open dialogue between people as to their reasons for holding their opposing views there can be no progress.
If Nostr hopes to be an online renewal of the open community forum, where real discussions can take place to find a better way forward for everyone, then I take a step in that direction by sharing the following comment in the hopes of stimulating honest non-hostile discussion. I don't expect this to change anyone's mind, but I do feel that the sharing of information like this will do more to help us come together to find solutions to these issues than yelling at each other from our silos has accomplished so far.
We all want a better world, let's work together to make one.
This comment by u/kristinbugg922 is originally found here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/f4k9ld/aita_for_outing_the_abortion_my_sister_had_since/fhrlcim/
"I know you stated you didn’t want to get into politics on this, but when it comes to abortion, that’s like trying to round up horses once they’re out the corral.
I am a child protective services investigator. I work child deaths, near deaths and shocking & heinous abuse cases exclusively. I have seen what can result from forcing a woman to keep a baby that she either does not want or is not equipped to raise. People can say that the baby can always be given up for adoption, but that’s not the fairytale you’ve seen on “Annie” either; there’s no Daddy Warbucks waiting in the wings to whisk most of these babies out of foster care into a limousine and off to their mansions.
Because no one wants to deal with babies born addicted to heroin, whose genetic pool is rife with schizophrenia and who contracted syphilis during their vaginal birth, because their mother didn’t receive prenatal care.
Because these babies aren’t blonde headed and blue eyed.
Because these babies are blonde headed and blue eyed like Mama and Daddy...who share the same father.
Because sometimes these babies have names like Keyshawn and Trayvon and Kiana.
Because sometimes these mothers don’t realize they aren’t ready to be mothers until these babies aren’t babies and you can’t drop a toddler off at a Safe Harbor Drop-Off.
Because sometimes these mothers live 45 miles from the nearest Safe Harbor Drop-Off and they don’t have a car, so the toilet is their next best option.
Because sometimes the Safe Harbor Drop-Off is the local police station in a town of 658 residents and the local police chief is Mama’s uncle.
Because sometimes a woman doesn’t need a reason for not wanting to be a mother and she doesn’t owe anyone an explanation for what she does and doesn’t do with her body.
I once held the body of an 8 month old infant in the back of an ambulance that didn’t need to run lights and sirens. He was too small to strap to the gurney.
When they handed him to me, he was wrapped in a blanket and he looked like he was sleeping, but no infant should ever be that still and cold or have white foam around their lips.
His mother tried to have an abortion, but didn’t have the money or resources. She had three children she couldn’t afford or care for already and she knew she couldn’t handle another one. She was told, “Just have him. You’ll be fine. You already have three kids, so you can figure it out. You can’t kill your baby. You can’t give your baby away to strangers, because no real mother does that. No...no, we can’t take the baby in. We won’t help you get an abortion and we can’t support adoption, but we will help you with the baby.”
But, when he was born, all the people who promised to help disappeared faster than her patience did when that baby cried and she was on day four of a methamphetamine binge. In the end, the only support she had was a methamphetamine addiction and a boyfriend with a nasty temper and even less patience than she did for that tiny, unwanted soul she brought into this world.
So, she had him and eight months later, she proved everyone who told her she couldn’t kill her baby wrong by allowing his life to be taken in a fit of rage, methamphetamine and the fists of a man who just wanted him to STOP. FUCKING. CRYING. ALREADY. And the only thing she could say was, “I told them I never wanted this. I said I never wanted him. Why did they make me have him? I want my mother.” But her mother had been dead since she was 10.
I know this because I was the first CPS investigator on the scene and I covered her little brother’s head with my coat and gave her my beanie, so they didn’t see the damage their father’s bullet did to the side of their mother’s head. Amy was a beautiful woman and her daughters look just like her....even in their mugshots.
Even when they’re trying to explain why their boyfriend shook and beat their baby to death. This one looks especially like Amy. This daughter perpetuated that cycle and her baby was collateral damage, I suppose.
Maybe if I had given her my coat to cover her head with, as I led her and her sibling out of the house, so they didn’t see their mother’s head shattered by their father’s bullet, she would have traveled a different path. But I didn’t give her my coat.
She was older. I thought she’d be able to cover her head better. So I gave her my beanie and I gave her sibling my coat and I covered their heads and told them not to look at Mama. I told them to keep walking and don’t look down. I said I was right there with them.
That’s why I gave her my coat this time and as she was being led out in handcuffs, I told her, “I’m going to cover your head. Don’t look down. Don’t look at the baby. Just keep walking. I’ve got you. I’m right here with you.” It’s funny. After all of these years, that’s what I blame myself for. That I didn’t give her my coat. That maybe, just maybe, if I had given her my coat instead, I wouldn’t have stood looking down at her dead son years later.
I don’t know what the last thing that baby saw was, but I pray it wasn’t the fist that ended his life or the face of the demon that ended his life or the woman who was supposed to be his protector. I still dream about him. I still dream about that coat.
The people who screech about how a woman does not have the right to terminate a pregnancy are always silent when they are questioned about what THEY are doing for their local foster care agencies. They rarely lobby at their state capitols for more funding for child welfare agencies and preventative programs to assist children and families in need.
They rarely, if ever, volunteer their time and money to support children in foster care or foster parents. Instead, they’d rather post hateful, judgmental vitriol on social media about women in difficult situations they know nothing about. They’re content to talk about what women should or should not be able to do. They’re content to pass judgment about a woman’s choices. But when they actually have to look at the consequences of those choices....well, that’s a conversation 99.9% of them are willing to sit out on.
People like your sister can screech about how abortion is murder. They can cry about the poor babies who never drew a breath. But you won’t see them doing anything for the babies that are breathing and living in foster care. The children that are living in homeless shelters. The kids that won’t get supper again tonight because Daddy’s check was short and Mama drank the grocery money again. Because that would mean they’d actually have to look upon the humanity they don’t want to acknowledge. It’s easier to crusade for a cause they don’t actually have to interact with."
It's surprising that you are on Nostr yet are in favor of state control over reproduction at the expense of both the women who must bear the pregnancies, with a higher risk of personal death and complications, and at the expense of the children born to such horrendous circumstances.
Everybody has a right to life but nobody has the right to use someone else's body without consent.
Are you in favor of the state forcing the donation of blood? Forcing the donation of extra kidneys? Should we have a national registry of eligible blood types to draft people into the service of saving a fellow human in need despite the greater risk of death or infection to the donor?
Or should risking our personal lives be voluntary if we understand and are able to handle the consequences?
What about contraceptives? Should we ban them? If it's murder to abort a fertilized egg, is it also murder to prevent fertilization that would otherwise occur?
In countries and states where abortion is illegal, doctors are scared to perform life saving abortions for fear of being prosecuted. This leads to adult women dying unnecessarily. Women who suffer natural miscarriages are also prosecuted and imprisoned where abortion is illegal when they're already suffering from the miscarriage itself.
Get the state out of our personal lives. Having children, going through 9 months of pregnancy and giving birth at a higher risk to ones personal health, is a very personal decision that should be up to the people directly involved and not bureaucrats.
The radicalized religious are, and they're doing it one step at a time by banning abortion in some states.
Preventing doctors from providing care that they are the most qualified and informed to be able to effectively provide, through prohibitions on abortion, is a way of controlling reproduction and preventing adequate care of the women involved.
It doesn't take much effort to find news articles of people dying due to lack of access to abortion. Or people being imprisoned after a miscarriage that was prosecuted as an illegal abortion. That is not a world I want to live in.
Until the system is fixed so that people even in extreme poverty both know how (and are able) to build up their ability to afford access to contraceptives through their own efforts, impossible with FIAT currencies debasing savings and wages, forced birth is nothing but a punishment of further impoverishment for those who cannot afford contraceptives and choose to have sex anyway. Because having sex is not optional for any creature in the Animal Kingdom including Humanity, it's genetically built into us to do it regardless of anything else.
Forced birth almost always happens to women who would never be approved to be foster parents or adoptive parents due to lack of a safe environment or resources.
Are you in favor of mandatory state taxation to care for the children born to people who cannot care for them but are forced to carry them to term? What about state taxes going to fund the burials of women who don't survive birth but would've survived abortion?
Do you prefer homeless or abused children instead of state funding?
I have seen what the world does to homeless children, it is not pretty. They are often enslaved, crippled, and abused.
Raising humans is not cheap, and it is a punishment to both the woman and the child to force the child to be raised in abusive environments or to be homeless. That is immoral. It is also immoral to force people under penalty of prison to pay to support children nobody wants.
Actually I'm not trolling, I'm trying to engage in arguments to change minds to what I view is the more moral position.
Demons masquerading as angels? Seriously? Go back to the stone age with your ancient beliefs that have no place in the modern world. Let's see you stone someone for wearing mixed cloth or eating shellfish. Ridiculous.
There is nothing more simultaneously ineffective and effective at prevention pregnancy than abstinence.
Abstinence as an action in the moment is the most effective method of contraception, this is not something anyone argues with.
But abstinence as a policy for long term birth control is the least effective way of preventing pregnancy. People want to have sex, full stop.
All humans are biologically driven to breath, drink water, eat food, and have sex to reproduce.
People are recommended not to eat unhealthy, yet the physical drive to eat that is taken advantage of by all the processed foods give us a society with pandemic levels of obesity and diabetes.
Similarly recommending people to just not have sex, is not effective at preventing it.
The data indicates that abstinence only education causes more unwanted pregnancies and abortions than it prevents.
My desire? Dude, we live in a world where people are going to have sex whether we think they should or not. Do we want to condemn both those ignorant people and their conceived child to a miserable life?
Stop making this about me "wanting to have sex" my sexual practices are irrelevant to this argument. I do have sex but my partner and I luckily are not in poverty and utilize contraceptives, unlike a significant number of people around the world.
At the end of the day, this is another thing Bitcoin fixes. Because FIAT is why the majority of the world remains in poverty and unable to support themselves or their potential offspring, so they don't practice safe sex as much and they have abortions more. When everyone has a stable financial foundation, and access to knowledge on effective contraceptions, unwanted pregnancies and abortions will both reduce significantly. That's our mutual goal as a society, to reduce suffering caused by unwanted pregnancies and subsequent abortions.
I'm pro reduced suffering, I'm not pro abortion except where it can reduce suffering. Ultimately Bitcoin is the solution again, which is why it's my focus overall.
I am not a subscriber to Malthusian population theory, the earth has more than enough resources to support many more people than we have today if we use the resources wisely which the FIAT system prevents. You seem to associate with me with beliefs I do not hold, this is a failure on your part to have an honest argument.
I do not believe that anyone has the right to use someone else's body without their consent. I do not care if the person needs the other person's body to survive, they cannot use it without consent. Just as I do not subscribe to the belief that forced organ donation or forced blood transfusions are good even if they would reduce death overall. Removing or not providing consent can sometimes result in death, as it does in the cases of abortion or a lack of available organ donors, but that does not supercede the importance of consent in our dealings with each other.
I do not care if the person dependant is created through the actions of the other person who's body is needed to survive, because no action gives automatic consent to the future usage of their body by another person against their will.
You seem to believe that forcing children to be born to someone who does not want them and cannot support them is preferable to not being born at all. It is not.
Unwanted children are at much higher risks of every type of abuse, physical, mental, emotional, sexual. Unwanted children are at a much higher risk of being human trafficked. I would rather not be born than to be born into those sets of circumstances.
You speak on a subject without compassion for those involved, and crusade on behalf of those who cannot give their opinion otherwise.
You advocate non-consensual forced usage of another person's body against their will. That is slavery. You sir, are in favor of slavery.
Reproductive rights refer to more than just abortion, there are groups advocating for the prohibition of contraceptives as well.
As for current states. When a government threatens doctors with prison time over providing abortions they deem necessary for the care of their patients, that the state has no business policing, then the state controls reproductive rights at the expense of the consent of those directly involved.
We do not currently have a state that tells people they're not allowed to have children, but many countries have in the 20th century committed forced sterilization of "undesirables" including the United States. Allowing state control over ANY aspect of reproduction is a slippery slope that is difficult to climb out of. Be careful what you wish for.
I've never been dishonest, I don't appreciate the implication that you expected I wouldn't be.
I fail to see how historically factual government enforcement of sterilization for the explicit intent to prevent reproduction is irrelevant to this discussion. History doesn't necessarily repeat itself but it often rhymes.
Abortion is not about murder at all and has everything to do with reproductive rights, it is you who is dishonest to try to paint it as you are in terms that are black and white.
You seem to be really worked up over this, you clearly do not speak with reason but with emotion. You did not hurt my feelings at all. You appeal to emotional "murdering a helpless baby" strawman arguments to support your view. Learn to argue your point effectively instead of resorting to baseless arguments and ad hominem personal attacks.
Keep pushing for the right to enslave women to only be worth what their wombs can create. That they do not own their bodies and can be forced to carry to term against their will. Your position is shameful and you should be ashamed.
Selective service is an affront to a free society and nobody male or female should be required to go fight in a war that they do not support or believe in.
So you support a system where women are subservient to men and cannot vote, where they do not have autonomy over her own bodies, and where only rich landowners get to decide the rules for everyone.
I suppose you want to allow slavery again too, reintroduce mandatory religious attendance, and you likely support capital punishment. Is that right?
Ah the "Law of God" huh? Which God? Let me guess, the god of Abraham right? Cool, people should definitely obey the supposed words of an invisible unproven deity worshipped thousands of years ago by desert nomads. Religious texts, written by humans thousands of years ago, are infallible and should be obeyed. We should probably respect those who speak on the behalf of said God right?
No wonder you support forced birth. After all, it's God's will that women should be punished with pregnancy for sex after Eve's sin of eating the fruit so why should they be allowed to choose not to go through with God's punishment if they have sex?
It's God's will that women be subservient to men and be silent, maybe the Muslims have it right in turning their women into silent walking pieces of black cloth.
Slavery and rape are a-okay to God, might as well legalize those as well (so long as you make sure to pay your rape victim's father to purchase his property that you tarnished). Let's stone people for wearing mixed cloth, eating shellfish, or for simply loving someone the desert nomads speaking for God didn't approve. Don't forget if you beat your slave within an inch of their life merciful God has instructed you to let them rest a whole 3 days before you put them back to work!
You literally make me sick. You do not believe in evidence based reasoning of the real world, you believe vile things and claim the moral high ground when you absolutely do not have it. Ridiculous. Your beliefs are shameful and you should be ashamed.
I apologize for my less collected final paragraph from my last message. Other than your views being similar to those following religious ideologies, there's nothing directly tying what you said to religion. I was assuming but am glad you are not religious.
I obviously do not agree that abortions are murder, abortions are induced miscarriages and even if not induced somewhere between 10 - 40% of pregnancies naturally miscarry. There are significant problems with making abortion illegal, including that women who miscarry naturally sometimes get prosecuted for a crime they did not commit when they are already suffering a loss that's just made worse by the legal system.
There are also higher risks involved with birth than with abortion, with more women dying in childbirth than through abortion. Doctor's and their patients should be allowed to have final say on this not only due to that general risk, but it would also avoid cases we see where the pregnancy has a high likelihood of becoming life threatening if not terminated early but the doctor's are too afraid of legal prosecution to proceed with necessary treatment to save the woman.
Fetuses are not babies, not while they threaten the life and well being of the women carrying them. Women with true bodily autonomy should not be compelled to risk their lives and well being to bring to term a fetus they do not want or are not equipped to care for just because they had sex. This is not good for the woman or the child born to a home with no love for them.
Until we advance technologically enough to support fetuses outside the womb (and advance economically enough to support them to adulthood without putting undo burden on anyone through more taxes that pay for the support of children without willing parents), then removing consent unfortunately leads to the death of the fetus. Consent for sex does not equal consent to maintain life threatening pregnancy. But I know you disagree on this, so let's agree to disagree.
Also, even though we disagree so far (and you rudely keep calling my responses nonsense when they are not, with the exception of the last paragraph in my previous message), you have my respect for engaging on a touchy subject for as long as we have.
In response to the land/voting issue:
Voting is what ultimately makes the rules, so if only those who own land can vote then only those who own land can make the rules. Now just because I do not agree that ONLY those who own land should vote, doesn't mean I disagree on your principle view that only those who are invested in the jurisdiction should be able to vote on its policies. I actually agree with you partially.
Personally I like the idea that you only get a vote once you live in a jurisdiction for a period of let's say 5 years, you get another vote if you purchase and live on that land as well for that 5 years. So after 5 years renters invested their time, while owners invested both their time and money (which is just preserved time). After maybe 10 more years each would get another vote or 2 based on these criteria and then after maybe another 20 years another.
This would allow those less invested due to financial circumstances a chance to vote based on their time invested alone which I think is fair. It also provides a decent amount of time lag before changes of law could occur due to high levels of immigration, providing some level of legal stability to current citizens whose voting power would also increase as the new residents gain voting power.
This is another reason I like Blockchain tech, because only those who actually invest time and effort to run nodes get to influence the direction of the network by participating in the consensus of network updates. Users don't get to vote, they just to benefit from the network as it is.
Back to the draft, seems we overall agree. However the selective service was started by Congress in 1940, it was not voted on by the public, only 1 representative was female and she did vote yea although it would've passed without her vote anyway.
I don't understand your position or justification to remove women from being able to vote in their representative government based on an act that was passed by almost entirely men that applied to only men, and that the public has no say in. Regardless I'm glad we agree that it is an atrocious act that essentially legalized randomized slavery into war and it should be repealed.
No, just that I'm tired of religious views being used as justification to enforce harmful policies on other people. My experience with abortion is irrelevant but even so you are incorrect. People I know have been involved in the abortions of people they know, but I myself have not been.
Making abortion illegal factually does more harm than good. Forcing children to be born to parents who don't want them greatly increases their likelihood of abuse and neglect by said parents. It increases the burden on the foster care system, it increases homeless children and parents due to a lack of sufficient resources, it increases child sex trafficking, it increases death among women who die in childbirth that would've survived an abortion of high risk pregnancies, it increases the risk that victims of natural miscarriages, or victims of miscarriages caused by domestic abuse (like my own mother who suffered many miscarriages as a result of said abuse from my father), will be prosecuted by the legal system. It just makes society worse.
If pro-life people would align with pro-choice people in their efforts to expand safe sex education and access to contraceptives, than unwanted pregnancies and abortions would plummet. Instead many anti-abortion people also advocate for abstinence only education and against contraceptives which is completely ineffective at preventing teen sex and pregnancies and causes them to increase not decrease.
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