Oddbean

I am not a subscriber to Malthusian population theory, the earth has more than enough resources to support many more people than we have today if we use the resources wisely which the FIAT system prevents. You seem to associate with me with beliefs I do not hold, this is a failure on your part to have an honest argument. I do not believe that anyone has the right to use someone else's body without their consent. I do not care if the person needs the other person's body to survive, they cannot use it without consent. Just as I do not subscribe to the belief that forced organ donation or forced blood transfusions are good even if they would reduce death overall. Removing or not providing consent can sometimes result in death, as it does in the cases of abortion or a lack of available organ donors, but that does not supercede the importance of consent in our dealings with each other. I do not care if the person dependant is created through the actions of the other person who's body is needed to survive, because no action gives automatic consent to the future usage of their body by another person against their will. You seem to believe that forcing children to be born to someone who does not want them and cannot support them is preferable to not being born at all. It is not. Unwanted children are at much higher risks of every type of abuse, physical, mental, emotional, sexual. Unwanted children are at a much higher risk of being human trafficked. I would rather not be born than to be born into those sets of circumstances. You speak on a subject without compassion for those involved, and crusade on behalf of those who cannot give their opinion otherwise. You advocate non-consensual forced usage of another person's body against their will. That is slavery. You sir, are in favor of slavery.

Not ending their life is "forcing them to be born". Life is in fact preferable to death. nostr:nevent1qqs06t2qwws7rae6zglmj350t7qkrwn4j54tftqf4tuxhyclg8jw7kgpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtczyzmul4rjl7grgs0vdn24hdgxl96yyydxu689y5jagfz9z6da5ql45qcyqqqqqqg0dwydw

Since you have openly said you do not care about the individuals involved or their extenuating circumstances, let me know when you decide to adopt abandoned sexually abused children who you forced to be born to drug addicted parents who didn't want them and sold their children to pedophiles. BTW not only do they have intense trauma that will take a lifetime to recover from, they also need to be given drugs to wean them off their pre-birth derived addictions while they likely will keep lifelong mental disabilities related to their early developmental environment. There are many of them in the foster care system right now waiting for you. I personally know people who have done exactly that, and they are incredible individuals for doing so. It is easy to decide someone else's decisions for them based on supposedly higher moral grounds when you yourself have no consequences for forcing them to do so. I do not agree with you that forcing people to be born into a miserable abuse filled suffering life is preferable to just not being born. Your viewpoint makes me nauseous, shame on you.

Biologically there are 4 things people are driven to do with enough drive to have created 8,000,000,000 people alive today. 1: Breath 2: Drink water 3: Eat food 4: Reproduce Good luck telling people all they have to do is not do what their hormones are driving them to do. Abstinence only education works so well to prevent teen pregnancies doesn't it? I suppose we should prevent people who have obesity from getting help too, it's their fault they're fat after all because all they had to do was not eat! You do not live in the real world.

Your claim is people are too dumb to make responsibe decisions. I think more highly of human beings. Humans are accountable for their actions. Making a stupid decision does not mean you are devoid of consequences.

Humans, when given the opportunities and education to know the best courses of action to avoid consequences of their actions, are generally reasonable and responsible people. I do think highly of well informed people with resources at their fingertips, but that is not the state of the world today. Most people are deliberately kept in the dark with abstinence only education being the dominant education on sex given to hormone filled teenagers in conservative controlled countries such as much of the United States. There are also groups that fight contraceptive access and that discourage condom use, these are mostly religious groups who view pregnancy as divine punishment for women that shouldn't be avoided. I think we agree more than disagree here. Expand access to contraceptives and expand education on safe sex practices, rather than just telling people "no sex! sex bad!" as is basically currently the case, and unwanted pregnancies and abortions would naturally plummet. That's what we all want, less unwanted pregnancies and less abortions. Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I'm not also pro-life, but I believe consent of the woman and a desire and ability to care for the child in a safe environment free from abuse should be what every child born should expect. Children should be born only to people that want them and can effectively care for them, they should not be forced to be born to someone who doesn't love them and is likely to abuse or neglect them.