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 Rebooting a laptop on a Monday because dev env is buggy is not a fun way to start a week... 
 Are there any decent people left at Swan after the culling? 
 Just a highly regarded Swan employee power grabbing a signal chat for himself instead of gracefully exiting our group. Expected behaivor, unfortunately. I don't recommend doing business with those folks. Not specific to THW company but seemingly acting in bad faith is not frowned upon over there (see recent mining lawsuits for more) 
 The company** 
 Lightning is better than onchain for buying weed 

#Bitcoin 
 #weedstr 
 It's all so tiresome. Some people are not fit to lead.  
 Peace = capacity for violence - application of violence

The most reliable way to increase peace ... 
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 Increase the peace. 
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 I love ad hominem attacks. Probably because I'm retarded. 
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 We've even met in person and were cordial! He's my favorite ecash disrespector.
One day I hope to smoke a blunt with him or share a pint.  
 Some people are retarded.

Is an LSP trusted if you pay it out-of-band in hopes they open a chann... 
 I love ad hominem attacks. Probably because I'm retarded. 
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 GM!  Can you believe we get to live in this timeline? 🧡  
 Yea. I believe it. Sheer force of will made it happen. We chose this timeline.  
 GM 
 Missed "safu" opportunity.  
 GM.
Had a friend post that this is making the rounds again. Will leave link with text of final conclusion paragraph.
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

CONCLUSION

This report has described several innovative payment schemes which provide user anonymity and payment untraceability. These electronic cash schemes have cryptographic mechanisms in place to address the problems of multiple spending and token forgery. However, some serious concerns about the ability of an electronic cash system to recover from a security failure have been identified. Concerns about the impact of anonymity on money laundering and tax evasion have also been discussed.

Because it is simple to make an exact copy of an electronic coin, a secure electronic cash system must have a way to protect against multiple spending. If the system is implemented on-line, then multiple spending can be prevented by maintaining a database of spent coins and checking this list with each payment. If the system is implemented off-line, then there is no way to prevent multiple spending cryptographically, but it can be detected when the coins are deposited. Detection of multiple spending after-the-fact is only useful if the identity of the offender is revealed. Cryptographic solutions have been proposed that will reveal the identity of the multiple spender while preserving user anonymity otherwise.

Token forgery can be prevented in an electronic cash system as long as the cryptography is sound and securely implemented, the secret keys used to sign coins are not compromised, and integrity is maintained on the public keys. However, if there is a security flaw or a key compromise, the anonymity of electronic cash will delay detection of the problem. Even after the existence of a compromise is detected, the Bank will not be able to distinguish its own valid coins from forged ones. Since there is no way to guarantee that the Bank's secret keys will never be compromised, it is important to limit the damage that a compromise could inflict. This could be done by limiting the total value of coins issued with a particular key, but lowering these limits also reduces the anonymity of the system since there is a smaller pool of coins associated with each key.

The untraceability property of electronic cash creates problems in detecting money laundering and tax evasion because there is no way to link the payer and payee. To counter this problem, it is possible to design a system that has an option to restore traceability using an escrow mechanism. If certain conditions are met (such as a court order), a deposit or withdrawal record can be turned over to a commonly trusted entity who holds a key that can decrypt information connecting the deposit to a withdrawal or vice versa. This will identify the payer or payee in a particular transaction. However, this is not a solution to the token forgery problem because there may be no way to know which deposits are suspect. In that case, identifying forged coins would require turning over all of the Bank's deposit records to the trusted entity to have the withdrawal numbers decrypted.

We have also looked at two optional features of off-line electronic cash: transferability and divisibility. Because the size of an electronic coin must grow with each transfer, the number of transfers allowed per coin must be limited. Also, allowing transfers magnifies the problems of detecting counterfeit coins, money laundering, and tax evasion. Coins can be made divisible without losing any security or anonymity features, but at the expense of additional memory requirements and transaction time.

In conclusion, the potential risks in electronic commerce are magnified when anonymity is present. Anonymity creates the potential for large sums of counterfeit money to go undetected by preventing identification of forged coins. Anonymity also provides an avenue for laundering money and evading taxes that is difficult to combat without resorting to escrow mechanisms. Anonymity can be provided at varying levels, but increasing the level of anonymity also increases the potential damages. It is necessary to weigh the need for anonymity with these concerns. It may well be concluded that these problems are best avoided by using a secure electronic payment system that provides privacy, but not anonymity.  
 Anonymity set is a big deal.  
 Good Morning, Nostr or slavery. 
 GM. 
Is your show nostr exclusive now? 
 Great morning Nostriches 
 above average at a minimum 
 the utility of a couple $5 VPS's is greatly underestimated.  
 Specs? 
 I am being shadow banned on YouTube. I still have yet to figure out the best option for censorshi... 
 Do it.  
 Where is the best place to keep track of election results?

#asknostr 
 The future.  
 The privacy properties are a hoax too

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 Elaborate. 
I didn't know Diffie-Hellman key exchange was broken.  
 I send you ecash in a QR in the mail. When you redeem it with the mint, how do they trace that back to me from you? 
 I know. I will continue to ask questions and fortify my steelman arguments.  
 You just transfered goal posts. Lol. Your original objection was the privacy part being a hoax. 

But data is transfered and the origin of that data is unknown to the mint. This is accomplished using a DHKE with a blinding mechanism. DHKE is commonly used for https when negotiating a secure web connection.  
 Yet you work on LN? Which is bitcoin in and bitcoin out....? 
 Virtue signal amplifying.

Have you seen eHash where you blind sign every share? I hope it can answer the question : "how do you know the pool is not debasing you?" 
 You point out a problem that is inherent to TCP/IP. Anything using those rails suffers from the same problem. Strawman.  
 Fwiw. I agree with you. It's just not ecash specific.  
 He doesn't. We've been back and forth a bit in the past.  
 Some share that same opinion about lightning. LSP's are trusted third parties.
Do you share this opinionn about LN? 
 So lightning scales globally and trustlessly? Hooray! Deferred on-chain transactions for everyone.  
 Gm 🥵
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 The FUTO keyboard on zap.store is honestly pretty great. I've been stuck begrudgingly on gboard f... 
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 THE ARGENTINA PESO EXCHANGE RATE IS EFFECTIVELY ONE SAT PER PESO. 🤯

GOOD MORNING. 
 Bring me back a 2000k sats wine bottle? 
 New Npub? 
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 This is lazy. Do better. At least post a screenshot.  
 Anyone else keeping their kids up tonight to try and handle dst? 
 not intentionally but wifey is out so solo. they were great kids today as usual so got some Tuttle Twins before bed. 
 They're with Harambe now 
 Ugh. Tuttle Twins new bitcoin episode... sponsored by Swan. 🤮 
 Have you heard of Prime Trust? 
Their CEO, Cory, is a douchebag that I have heard from two friends that separately hold the opinion based on personal interactions. 
Did you hear they were suing their former employees over a botched mining deal? They're a lot of hype but don't even hold their own keys. Lots of talk with little walk. Were supposed to be going public in a year or so and then magically laid off a bunch of people. Smells like bad news to me.

It's probably fine if you take self-custody but I'd rather use Coinbase than Swan. And Coinbase is horrible. 
 oddly specific. and very fitting. 
 I enjoy Strike and River 
 Peanut was a prolific Cashu ecash developer. He lived for NUTs. It was a govt op to stop #ecash on bitcoin.  
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 Does anyone want to send testnet4 back and forth using miniscript or taproot or something? 
 https://fountain.fm/episode/Zb0kBnQPL1rvZr3lYHPs
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 They're exploring taproot and wallet tooling.  
 If you stay awake long enough, you hear what nostr:nprofile1qqsdnpcgf3yrjz3fpawj5drq8tny74gn0kd54l7wmrqw4cpsav3z5fgpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvl3x2lg is up to as a wizard. Pretty cool stuff. Might surprise some.  
 https://fountain.fm/episode/Zb0kBnQPL1rvZr3lYHPs
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 Ammunition helps with barter and tactical acquisition of any other items listed for exchange.  
 The third can get you 1 and 2.  
 Red/green colorblind. Rekt from @NVK's trading advice.

https://fountain.fm/episode/Zb0kBnQPL1rvZr3lYHPs

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 Great first rip

https://fountain.fm/episode/0wDNpldziJ3hBHZWKIdt

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If I wanted to do testnet4 miniscript and taproot fun, how do? 
 What is the "hello world" of taproot miniscript? 
 Ron Paul 👀
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 That would be dope too 
 Meh. Not holding my breath. But impressive to bring Dr Paul in 
 Thank you to my zappers. You paid for streaming costs today.  
 So I have to tell OBS to record remotely? 
 Effect. OK. Thnx.  
 Hotspot on Graphene erroring when I enable it.
How fix?
😩
#asknostr 
 Word. I've had little issues lately but for a but it was pretty consistent. Thanks for the update.  
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