They can ban Bitcoin from white markets (or impose any arbitrary restrictions or artificial burden they want on it)
Bitcoins advantages are only constant and fully realized on black markets. But a little coin you may have heard of is taking over there...
Another hypothetical 🤷♂️
It doesn't mean it won't always be smaller either.
One thing is for sure: It is smaller than bitcoin right now. So saying "its impossible for the average joe to mine it as it requires way too much data space" makes no sense (even ignoring the fact that you can still mine it without doing that using Gupax)
Another hypothetical 🤷♂️
It doesn't mean it won't always be smaller either.
One thing is for sure: It is smaller than bitcoin right now. So saying "its impossible for the average joe to mine it as it requires way too much data space" makes no sense (even ignoring the fact that you can still mine it without doing that using Gupax)
You going to keep chimping out and getting all emotional or address anything that was actually said? There are Bitcoin maxis on here who actually have strong arguments. You're never one of them.
Monero has a smaller total blockchain size than Bitcoin so no clue what you're talking about. And you can even mine it using Gupax so you don't need to download the chain if you want.
Who cares what nation states think. The whole point is you can use Bitcoin/Monero without their permission.
Ecash doesn't remove trusted third parties
Liquid doesn't hide sender/reciever and has almost no anonymity set if you look at their mempool. Like one transaction per block if you're lucky.
Lightning seems to hold the most promise, especially if BOLT12 gains more adoption, but suffers from a lot of other UX problems. For instance, it requires you to run your own node for best transactional privacy, it leaks data on-chain, can be force closed, can lose your money if you're offline too long and via replacement cycling attacks, has an upper limit on amounts you can send, routing failures, etc
Self-custody didn't help BTCSessions from the government kicking down his door and taking his keys. You need anonymity + privacy to have max resistance to confiscation.
Aftermath of the Canadian trucker protests. I misremembered though. It was actually his friend who was raided not him. Nonetheless Bitcoin keys were taken by the government.
He talks about what happened around 42:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGnOz7KlUbg
99.9% of people don't and won't use Bitcoin other than a speculative investment. Bitcoin transactions on white markets make little sense, since you're following the arbitrary rules of the state on there anyway, why no just use fiat for that? faster, cheaper, not taxed, no regulatory uncertainty, and much larger network effect.
It only makes sense when you want to make a transaction that breaks the rules and can't be stopped AKA free markets AKA black markets (doesn't necessarily mean immoral, just illegal for your jursidiction). And while you're making that transaction it only makes sense that you don't want the state to know who you are and what you're doing through anonymity and privacy.
Payment apps are zero fees and "instant". Normies don't care about how long it takes to actually clear behind the scenes. They can still speculate and hodl Bitcoin for gains on exchanges.
You're right Bitcoin is better money than fiat in a fair fight. Obviously when you're playing in white markets it's not a fair fight. Everything is artificially dictated by the state. They can place burdensome capital gains taxes to reduce or nullify your Bitcoin gains and tax you when you transact with it too like they already do. Bitcoin advantages are only constant and fully realized on black markets.
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Just wanted to say MimbleWimble and Nano are very scalable blockchains. So not all blockchains. Although some may disagree with the tradeoffs they make.
I didn't know the last thing about about IVPN. Doesn't really bother me if Mullvad accepts BCH, as long as they offer a way to pay with Bitcoin/Monero. IVPN has less servers than Mullvad I think, but are legit, can speak from my own experience.
Why would you want to enable what Monero does if your claim is it enables "shameful things"?
Enuts is ruggable and less verifiable than Monero.
Lightning requires users to run their own nodes for full privacy and suffers from other disadvantages that Monero doesn't. You can't get stolen from on Monero for being offline for awhile or through replacement cycling attacks. Monero transactions also don't have an upper limit or routing failures.
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It's just a tool. All tools can be used for bad things just like Bitcoin.
Comes with the territory if you want to have a permissionless neutral money. The only other option is a permissioned CBDC surveillance panopticon
Btw seeing 5 Bitcoin move from one address to another proves nothing by itself. There's nothing on the blockchain that says "this proves it was for a house" or "this address belongs to the person selling me the house". Seller could simply say you didn't either: "Sorry, you mustve sent it to someone elses address by mistake. Tough luck."
If you were able to monitor texts of some random phone number, you might not know their identities at this moment, but given enough time you would have enough info to figure it out. Who else they text, what time they text, the actual content of their texts, etc
Public transactions is an attack vector. Everyone you transact with can at least see partial balances, see where it came from, and follow it going forward. Even if you coinjoin every single transaction you have to forever maintain it. One future consolidation mistake undoes everything. Even bitcoin privacy wizard make mistakes.
99% of people aren't going to coinjoin let alone every transaction.
No I didn't. If you merely did what I said above you could easily be scammed. I would assume both parties are identifying themselves if they're making a transaction that large and getting contracts/lawyers/notaries (third parties) to confirm addresses to identities, but all that occurs off the blockchain.
Transparency does open you to attack. The difference is Monero is optionally transparent, only if you want it to be, and only for a specific transaction. Can't do much with just that. They still don't see your balances or who else you've transacted with. Bitcoin is always transparent and you're tying your identity to your history and future transactions that have nothing to do with those counterparties and third parties you're involving.
So you say, but you didn't refute any of his arguments. In fact, by saying "areas of improvement" and "technical challenges" it sounds like you are conceding that it is all currently true
That's your perogative. Though it leaves me unconvinced unsurprisingly.
That quote applies to you just as equally. You're obviously strongly invested in the lightning network and have a bias as well.
1. Sim, mas tecnicamente Tor é apenas um protocolo também. O roteamento Onion não precisa necessariamente da internet para funcionar. E a criptografia é frequentemente usada para que a internet funcione. Veja o NIST, uma agência dos EUA que define padrões de criptografia em geral e para a maior parte da internet. O Bitcoin usa SHA-256, que se enquadra na família SHA-2, criada pela NSA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2#Applications
2. Ponto justo, mas não acho que isso necessariamente significa que eles podem controlá-lo ou subvertê-lo.
3. Isso geralmente não acontece quando um local físico é invadido pela polícia para que eles possam acessar fisicamente o computador do alvo ou suas credenciais? Mas ok, vou dar uma olhada.
4. Na verdade, eu uso alguns forks de software do Google que são de código aberto e voltados para a privacidade. O GrapheneOS é um deles. Estou dizendo que se o código for verificável e você estiver executando esse software, especialmente construído a partir do código-fonte, ele deixa menos espaço para subversão. Por que não torná-lo de código fechado? Por que dificultar que eles façam seu trabalho?
5. Se isso fosse verdade, todos os operadores do mercado darknet e seus fornecedores seriam presos imediatamente. O bloqueio da China é sobre censurar conexões identificáveis ou suspeitas, não 0-days. A esteganografia é um jogo de gato e rato, e é por isso que o Tor agora tem uma nova maneira de contornar essa censura com algo chamado "webtunnel"
https://blog.torproject.org/introducing-webtunnel-evading-censorship-by-hiding-in-plain-sight/
1 - A internet e os padrões modernos de criptografia que você usa o tempo todo também foram criados pelos Estados Unidos
2 - Veja acima
3 - O que você quer dizer? Como?
4 - Qualquer um pode executar um relay e o projeto é FOSS, então não tenho certeza do que você quer dizer
5 - Em certos casos extremos, com atores direcionados e ataques sofisticados, é claro. Eu nunca diria que é perfeito.
Tópico um tanto relacionado: Você conhece o Nym mixnet? E se sim, qual é sua opinião sobre ele?
https://nymtech.net/about/mixnet
If you study Bitcoins pre-origin history leading to it's creation, cypherpunks of old, it is very obvious that their north star was private, anonymous, untraceable money. It was a major goal, if not *the* goal. A proliferation of BOLT12 adoption will definitely make lightning better, but it still has many different disadvantages...even if Monero only exists to competitively push Bitcoiners to create more private payment layers that usurp it, that don't require trusted third parties, it's still a win imo
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Não entendi. O que há de tão irônico no site clearnet do Monero? Não tem relação com a privacidade das transações reais do Monero.
E aqui está se você quiser visitar o site via Tor:
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Qual é o seu problema com o Tor? Sei que ele não é perfeito e tem seus próprios problemas, mas é a melhor alternativa realista até agora. Talvez o I2P ou alguma outra mixnet seja melhor? Acredito que o I2P está sendo integrado.
Se ao menos a CIA usasse o Tor, seria inútil para eles, não é? Eles precisam de uma multidão para se esconder atrás de suas operações obscuras também.
Além disso, o Monero não é completamente dependente do Tor. O Dandelion++ esconde a origem da transação de outros nós na rede e isso não tem nada a ver com o Tor.
Não dê ouvidos a esse cara. O Liquid não esconde o remetente ou destinatário. O Monero sim. O Liquid também não tem uma multidão para se esconder atrás porque ninguém o usa. Basta olhar para o mempool deles: liquid.network
Se você precisa de privacidade séria, use o Monero
So you're telling me Liquid had the name recognition with Bitcoin and this huge headstart...and Monero *still* outpaced it in every way, like hiding senders/receivers, implementing network level obfuscation, and growing a massive anonymity set vs the graveyard that is Liquids mempool
The market has spoken. No one that wants private transactions uses Liquid. No one uses Liquid for anything, period.
liquid.network
Last part is simply not true. There are ways to censor and steal from others on LN that don't exist at all on-chain (like being offline for extended periods or the recent replacement cycling attack)
Of course. Imo the criticism is more towards the tunnel vision and obsession with price at the expense of all else, like the only thing that makes Bitcoin special to begin with (removing trusted third parties), by a growing community within Bitcoin.
"9. We don't need privacy! That's asking for trouble! 🤡
Bitcoin must have some subversive element – or else it will go to zero.
This is not a matter of preference – it’s the cold calculated reality of comparative advantage. Venmo / WeChatPay, CBDCs – these have the upper hand when it comes to compliance. They have the upper hand in tech as well (“blockchain” is very inefficient, compared to the databases used by Venmo et al). Bitcoin cannot compete with them, unless it has some “edge” that they lack."
-Paul Sztorc
Tudo tem desvantagens, incluindo Bitcoin. Você parece inteligente, e eu sei que você sabe disso, então eu acho que você está apenas preso à ideologia e sendo desonesto.
No, but it has it's own advantages over other crypto. You already mentioned one, privacy, but there are others like stronger fungibility, mining censorship resistance, and very low fees.
I'll send you some to play around with if you'd like and places to spend it. Just post a Monero address
I should also correct myself for anyone reading this. Monero anonymity set of all it's users only applies to receivers right now. But FCMP will put sender privacy at the same level eventually.
Por que os maximalistas do Bitcoin sempre têm medo do livre mercado? Se você não gosta, não use.
Eles estão trabalhando na implementação do lightning, a propósito
E as pessoas são livres para negociar moedas que os outros não gostam em um mercado livre
Você possui alguma dessas moedas fiduciárias de merda que os governos imprimem? Então você também é um shitcoiner
Há uma comunidade bastante grande de usuários de Monero no Nostr. E muitos deles também se sobrepõem à comunidade Bitcoin. Você só precisa estar em uma bolha, sem ofensa
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Sim, há mais Bitcoiners. Não era esse o meu ponto. Estou dizendo que a comunidade Monero é bem grande aqui. Provavelmente a maior além do Bitcoin. E alguns desses Bitcoiners também usam Monero.
Monero has a smaller total blockchain size than Bitcoin so no clue what you're talking about. And you can even mine it using Gupax so you don't need to download the chain if you want.
Who cares what nation states think. The whole point is you can use Bitcoin/Monero without their permission.
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