Fucking great news!👀🔥
@XmrSigner: "Yes, you will be able to run SeedSigner & XmrSigner on the same device, it's basically the same thing, you just need to have a microsd for each OS."

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Which clients support the outbox model right now?


💯

The whole point of ecash is not having to deal with the complexities of running your own LN node and having a large crowd to hide among. Everyone can't run their own mint or it wouldn't work.

The only time ecash makes sense is *if you were going to use a custodian anyway* then it is a strict improvement.

But in the context of the core advantages Bitcoin was supposed to provide, outlined very clearly in the white paper, transacting without intermediaries, it is almost a non-sequitur to bring up ecash


"Although XmrSigner is now functional, we are looking to create an offline signing library for final optimizations."

https://xcancel.com/XmrSigner/status/1847557103419789518#m


Bitcoin Electrum Wallet now available on F-Droid 👀

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.electrum.electrum/


Self custody your money #xmr #monero https://image.nostr.build/2a884ea46bd73ded764c58ea07d18aeb6cd26590c0e9fa7f36deea875fa789e3.jpg


Dero has been broken for awhile. It uses ElGamal instead of Pedersen commitments so is not "perfectly hiding" amounts like Monero. They also make false claims about having Fully Homomorphic Encryption when they are only Partial. I would be very wary. I'm biased obviously, but these are just facts.

Deanonymization of the Dero Network:
https://gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/b754e9ed9fa4cc2c607f38a83aa3df2a
https://gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/d1b20f48f0d54f8d1beccf74de13e940#deros-privacy

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Não há razão para que ambos os projetos não possam existir. Eles fazem diferentes compensações fundamentais. Bem-vindo ao livre mercado.

O Bitcoin não tem uma economia circular. Por favor. Você é obcecado em nunca gastá-lo e ficar boquiaberto com os gráficos de preços.

Acabei de mostrar 5 gráficos que mostram o Monero igualando ou superando o Bitcoin em mercados reais. Você ainda não me mostrou nenhum. Tudo o que você continua postando é o mesmo gráfico de preços porque, como eu disse antes, essa é a única coisa que você tem.

Somos todos nichos neste espaço, amigo. A pessoa média na rua não dá a mínima para o Bitcoin.

Deixe-me deixá-lo com citações de maximalistas atuais e antigos do Bitcoin que gostam ou respeitam o Monero 👇:

"Monero is a very good privacy complement to Bitcoin" -Nick Szabo

"Maybe you need a Monero" -Michael Saylor

"For really strong privacy, Monero is much better" -Andreas Antonopoulos

"There's a lot of advantages to using Monero" -Matt Odell

"Monero is the only goddamn currency that's used!" -John McAfee

"Monero will be a champion in that space and we'll have a Bitcoin-Monero duopoly" -Max Keiser

"All fiat systems and all tokens outside of Bitcoin and monero (to my knowledge) have middlemen you cannot get rid of" -Adam Curry

"I would say Monero is not a shitcoin. I think it's a very innovative and new research project that works." -Max Hillbrand

"Monero; Just use it. Objectively it's better than Bitcoin [for privacy]...it's obvious" -Amir Taaki

"Monero is closer to our hearts than whatever Bitcoin is turning into today" -Samourai Wallet

"Bitcoin is the reserve currency. Hold it. Privacy coins are transactional privacy. Use them...Monero" -Balaji

"99% of cryptocurrencies are complete and total garbage, but even among the upper echeleon of real ones, Monero is in the top percentile, so it deserves our respect" -Paul Sztorc

"Surprising number of Monero lovers on #Nostr. It’s the only altcoin that I consider has a community of actual cypherpunks with similarly aligned values as bitcoin." -Guy Swann

"Monero has always been the altcoin outlier for me, never a shitcoin because I have a valid use for it that I can't achieve with #bitcoin." -Peter McCormack

"I have an issue when Bitcoiners get so closed-minded and says Moneros a shitcoin. No it's not. There's some brilliant people there and there's a lot to learn...I'm a fan of Monero." -Nicholas Gregory of Mercury Layer

"Cashu isn't an alternative to Monero. Monero is cool." -Calle

"To me Monero is the litmus test in Bitcoin...Monero is such a good money just technically" -Ragnar Lifthrasir of Guns N Bitcoin

"There are altcoins out there that have interesting ideas, but they are very very rare...if a couple altcoins exist, like Monero, where they actually have an interesting idea and a different model that's fine." -Peter Todd

"Monero is doing the job that gave btc its start."
-Ray Youssef


Não para se esconder de nós maliciosos na rede. O Dandelion++ cuida disso. O Bitcoin ainda precisa usar o Tor para isso.

Não sei se você está falando sobre o Monero ou o Bitcoin para essa segunda resposta. Se você quis dizer isso em relação ao Monero, não tenho ideia do que está falando. Endereços Stealth resolvem esse problema.

Claro, amigo:
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Kkkk tudo vaporware


MONERO - OPEN PROTOCOL FOR P2P ELECTRONIC CASH


Other major cryptos are still around because they provide utility that Bitcoin can't or won't provide (or provide it better). Even if Bitcoin magically changed that today there are now large die-hard camps that are entrenched in other projects. This was always going to happen. It's the way of free markets. Substitutes, alternatives, and options appear. There will always be other cryptocurrencies to more or lesser degrees.


 The elusive yet very simple insight that most of the space doesn't understand (but will soon enough)
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Respect 🫡

#opensource #vlc

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Digital money of the future✨


Obviously all anyone needs to do to use beetcoin in a private self sovereign way is spend days learning to run their own LN node
only to constantly deal with liquidity issues
and losing their sats to fees when their channels get mysteriously closed.

if you just use monero you're a shitcoiner and haven't put in the work yet to understand butcoin

le sigh smh
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 Lol
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P.S. Não é desonesto, porque essas serão as taxas de taxas se o Bitcoin for usado extensivamente (na verdade muito maior que a captura de tela que mostrei!)


Na verdade, você não precisa do Tor se executar seu próprio nó monero porque o Dandelion++ esconde seu IP de outras pessoas na rede por padrão. Você já considerou que é apenas ignorante e não há desonestidade acontecendo aqui?

Os pagamentos silenciosos escondem apenas os destinatários de observadores externos. Eles não fazem nada pela privacidade dos valores ou remetente. Eles também podem ser seguidos pelo remetente adiante. Além disso, você tentou usar pagamentos silenciosos? Os tempos de sincronização são lentos demais para serem praticamente úteis. E você não pode usar o Bitcoin como P2P Electronic Cash. Toda a premissa do white paper.

O restante das coisas que você liste, como DriveChains e Rollups, é irrelevante porque ainda não existe, se é que alguma vez. É isso que chamamos de software Steam. As ferramentas de privacidade do Bitcoin estão perpetuamente ao virar da esquina todos os anos nos últimos 15 anos.


Sim, é um exagero, claro, porque é um meme, mas o espírito dele é verdadeiro.

Todas as coisas sendo iguais, eu apostaria que o usuário médio cometerá muitos erros com sua "privacidade" no Bitcoin. Comparado ao Monero, onde quantias e endereços nem são visíveis no blockchain e eles apenas apertam o botão de enviar.


Eu sei que vocês, maxis, amam seus gráficos de preços porque é a única coisa que lhes resta, sem eles vocês não teriam muito, então eu não os culpo.

Ninguém está falando sobre "reserva de valor" além de você (ignorando o fato de que o Bitcoin mal existe há 15 anos). Nem mesmo o white paper do Bitcoin fala sobre "reserva de valor"

O tópico que eu levantei foi privacidade transacional. O Bitcoin não tem, desculpe, mas continue mudando de assunto com non-sequiturs se quiser.

Aqui está outro gráfico NGU que você pode gostar:
https://image.nostr.build/4badab0c390175bdf36239e6564bfbb203591832a54d45f21b68f1a830ac02c4.jpg


Does Vexl have an apk for those of us who don't want to go through Google Play Store?

Last time I tried Vexl i was having trouble getting it to work on GrapheneOS


Take back your sovereignty #XMR #Monero https://video.nostr.build/f37c03e6dae880ff6de94da62ab835dbda00aae3a34c242ab4196839a02c6d0c.mp4


I think I am getting more interested in digital privacy with time

I wonder: would anon be better?


AYOOOOOOOOOOOO


LOL


Monero é apenas o canário na mina de carvão. Acabarão por tratar tudo o que está fora do seu controlo como “criminoso” – incluindo o Bitcoin. Quando isso acontecer, a falta de privacidade do Bitcoin tornar-se-á um grande fardo e os utilizadores serão alvos mais fáceis.

Não “converta”. Gasta Monero diretamente.


Most of the world lives from hand to mouth. That's why they ditched bitcoin for USDT. Even a fiat shitcoin gives them more utility than Bitcoin.


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My daily routine:

Debate Nostr BTC-Maxis on Monero

Debate Monero Redditors to come on Nostr

Debate Farcaster web devs to ditch IPFS, for Arweave

Debate BitcoinTalk buyers to accept my XMRBazaar Deposit

Debate ETH Forums Guys to ditch Telegram for SimpleX

Debate SimpleX mob to self-host XMPP

Debate XMPP fediverse guys to ditch socialism, for capitalism

Debate Libertarians to ditch Big Tech and voting, for Crypto-Agora.

The Libertarians then reply "ok so bitcoin only?"  And then the cycle repeats.


Não posso usar coisas que ainda não existem. Até que isso aconteça, vou usar Monero.


Попробуйте разместить здесь, я думаю, это более известно

https://kuno.anne.media/


Bitcoin é um livro-razão transparente. Ele literalmente não tem privacidade. Você está pensando em ser potencialmente anônimo, o que é diferente de privacidade e pode ser feito com quase qualquer cripto. Isso não é exclusivo do Bitcoin.

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#meme #memes #memestr #nostrmemes https://image.nostr.build/5adeab76aa10ed8821c821462c217a2efc0d1e239fc43cd1418749a74d5421ca.jpg


Monero é dinheiro digital p2p. Você deve usá-lo para fazer transações. Ele protege sua privacidade. O Bitcoin não protege sua privacidade.

Essa conversa sobre reserva de valor é do campo maximalista do Bitcoin quase exclusivamente


What is Monero's new FCMP++? For noobs!
https://kewbit.org/in-simple-terms-monero-fcmp-explained/


Many Bitcoin enthusiasts are turning to Monero, emphasizing privacy and freedom over fiat gains. The Bitcoin community often faces criticism for its narrow focus, overshadowing the shared goals of different cryptocurrencies. Acknowledging trade-offs fosters a more inclusive dialogue around these tools. #Bitcoin #studybitcoin


If you don't care about KYC then probably Kraken

If you want to buy it directly with fiat P2P without KYC then Haveno-Reto, or indirectly through Bisq/Robosats

https://haveno-reto.com/
https://bisq.network/
https://dex.robosats.com/ (use Tor browser)


Do you 100% agree with every single decision Bitcoin Core as made? No. Unless you're a blind sheep yourself. There are decisions they've made in the code you don't understand technically or don't know about at all, yet you still run their software.

Nothing "forces" you to follow a fork the same way nothing "forces" you to use Bitcoin. It's an open permissionless system. You can swap, fork, or leave crypto completely the moment you disagree and can't be stopped by anyone. Ability to exit is what is important.


I love #Bitcoin as much as the rest of you but this should be shouted from the rooftops.

People gotta stop reciting some Bitcoin catechism and calling anything that ISN’T Bitcoin a shitcoin by default. Not how it works. You are willingly blind and ignorant on the matter if you cannot see the utility of Monero.

Also while I’m at it, can we please stop saying “We are all Satoshi” and “Tick tock next block.” Stop being cringe nostr:note1cj9ecksmefgylkjrc55v6eclza76h2xd4sxz2f86yct2u27kx22qmaej7h


FIRE IN THE HOLE!

We're dropping knowledge bombs with the new article...

Does your Bank Know your buying Monero or Bitcoin?

Tips to Avoid Getting Flagged with Peer-to-Peer Crypto:
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/monero-peer-to-peer/avoid-flagging.html

Tor Onion:
http://privacyy3tsy4mge4qmg4nsid2vnhl7szzupphhkfsxvayx5tl2ztbqd.onion/monero-peer-to-peer/avoid-flagging.html

Haveno, Bisq, Robosats


Multi-platform app client user interface for Haveno

https://github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app


"Kewbit posts first progress report for 'Haveno App' CCS proposal"

https://monero.observer/kewbit-posts-first-progress-report-haveno-app-ccs-proposal/


New SimpleX security audit

https://simplex.chat/blog/20241014-simplex-network-v6-1-security-review-better-calls-user-experience.html


"Podcast Discovery and Social Features" from Ungovernable Misfits "NOSTR and Fountain Sitting in a Tree | The Confab 10: Oscar Merry"

https://cdn.satellite.earth/6e48158fe624970cc2f7f330f63208910de47ce0f062e1b6ed935ce5668c284b.mp4

Listen on Fountain
https://fountain.fm/episode/qgblRIMID0SX4Km7yJvb


Mozilla disabled & hazed uBlock Origin Lite off Firefox's extension store

This is surprising given that Mozilla is supposed to be in favor of privacy.  And it's among the most popular extensions, which then raises the question of what the purpose of Mozilla's store is.

According to the dev (Raymond Hill), they wrote pages of "baseless" complaints, including:
"For add-ons that collect or transmit user data, the user must be informed and provided with a clear and easy way to control this data collection"

Now Raymond Hill had to move it to Github for updates.  As far as we can tell, the original non-lite extension remains.

You can learn how to use uBlock Origin from our tutorial:
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/ublock/index.html

Source:
https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/197#issuecomment-2377395301


tomorrow we're dropping a guide on:

Privacy Techniques to Avoid Getting Flagged by your Bank buying P2P crypto

(Both Monero & Bitcoin)

Legal Disclaimer: This is on buying for personal liquidity, and NOT selling for profit, which is more controversial.  I am drinking moonshine and can not be held legally responsible for my typing.  I am speaking only to my fellow residents of Cambodia.  I never take custody of funds for mixing.  I never coordinate trades.

c ya tomorrow


Why would we? You're comparing L2 privacy vs on-chain privacy. Apples to oranges. Layers have their own unique downsides that Monero doesn't.

Also, imagine a private layer, but this time built on Moneros encrypted blockchain. Now that's some heavy duty privacy 👌


:monero: New Breaking Monero reboot series, now up to date for the 2024 age: https://www.youtube.com/@Anti_Moonboy/videos

3 videos already released:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9L-TUI-lf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGDFTSjokyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_RDRGqSbyY

His address: 84tVkJ6zAHyEpE8yBmkdVtY9s85DLmAwqX4uAdDsswHn4aRw7HpdEabfWigs8Y5QQRarqLj1TLZha38mjHTYJABUHEzgPTA (view it on https://mostard.org) #monero #xmr


ZEUS v0.9.1

Blinded paths for BOLT 11

Privacy for the recipient 🤯
https://m.primal.net/LWDK.jpg


Monero(.)Market is Live and Privacy Optimized
https://tachi.lol/2024/10/14/monero-market-is-live-and-privacy-optimized/


running mysu v0.5.10.4 beta by anoncontributorxmr. some of the changes include: upgrade to Monero v0.18.3.4 point release, polyseed support, removal of moneroworld and Samourai Wallet-operated XMR remote node, removal of in-app donate to developer feature, monerochan disabled by default, tx. fee selection tweaks and other miscellaneous stuff.

https://m.primal.net/LWQt.jpg


Pretty much agree with everything you're saying. I use both too. Signal with family and friends. You're right its normie friendly and was pretty easy for them to transition over. Hundred times better than normal sms texting so I'll take what I can get. I have no solid reason to think it's compromised, but various decisions they've made and events that have happened over time (like them not updating their code for over a year awhile back) just naturally raise eyebrows.

It's not like I think they can decrypt our messages or anything like that (although the desktop app thing was a potential weak point if it was used. Evengy talks about the technical details of this on Gabriel Custodiet and Seths podcasts). More like there is potential valuable metadata for three letter agencies to conveniently harvest from centralized servers. But even if that were true, it is still better than the status quo of closed source social unencrypted (or server side encrypted) media messengers, email, and sms so I don't worry about it much. I'll use something else like SimpleX over Tor for anything requiring stronger anonymity and metadata protection.


New Haveno Reto release 🎉

https://github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/releases/


Check the #0XChat posting features, quite smart, not for a long post, which would be nice to have too, but the feature of to whom the message is visible is just awesome

nostr:npub1tm99pgz2lth724jeld6gzz6zv48zy6xp4n9xu5uqrwvx9km54qaqkkxn72  , hey, what about, an X awesome feature you can emulate, NO ONE can reply as an additional option, that feature is priceless, specially for some influencers

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Nostr is the best thing going on right now

But it's not the ONLY thing going on.

So it would help our case if you'd be a little more tolerant to other ideas, because those other groups/protocols/ideas/causes will be more welcoming to come here


#Bitcoin é uma excelente opção, mas tenhamos também #Monero a qual não precisa de gambiarras para se ter privacidade mútua.


You're thinking of Bytecoin. Moneros fork doesn't share the same genesis block.

#xmrtrivia


Use Bisq para trocar para Monero. Troque de volta mais tarde em quantidades diferentes, em momentos diferentes.


Simplex Chat is very popular in the Nostr community; whenever someone posts a note asking which chat app is secure, many people recommend Simplex Chat. We also think Simplex Chat is a great app.

So, many people ask what is the difference between Keychat and Simplex Chat? Is Keychat's security as good as Simplex Chat's? Is it really possible to create a chat app as secure as Simplex Chat on Nostr? Why not just use Simplex Chat? Why reinvent the wheel?

A common misconception in the Nostr community is that Nostr is not suitable for private things.

"Nothing about any of the protocols we’ve developed requires centralization; it’s entirely possible to build a federated Signal Protocol-based messenger, but I no longer believe that it is possible to build a competitive federated messenger at all." — Signal Founder Moxie https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving%C2%A0

This is because the encryption process is completed on the client side, and relays only pass the encrypted messages.

Keychat and Simplex Chat both use the Signal protocol to encrypt messages, so both meet the following security requirements 1-4:

Anti-Forgery
Anti-Forgery ensures that the sender of a message is verifiable and the message has not been tampered with.

End-to-End Encryption
End-to-end encryption ensures that only the sender and receiver can decrypt and read the message content, protecting it from unauthorized access by servers or other network devices.

Forward Secrecy
Forward secrecy ensures that even if the current key is compromised, historical messages cannot be decrypted, since each message uses a new encryption key, which is deleted after use.

Break-in Recovery
Break-in Recovery ensures that if the current key is compromised, future messages cannot be decrypted, and the system can recover from the attack. This feature is also known as backward secrecy.

Metadata Privacy
Protecting the privacy of communication involves more than just protecting the content of messages; it also includes protecting the identities of the communication parties and other data.

Regarding the fifth point, metadata privacy. The designs of Keychat and Simplex Chat are different.

Simplex’s metadata privacy protection scheme

"Simplex chat is the first messenger without user IDs."

“To deliver messages, instead of user IDs used by all other platforms, SimpleX uses temporary anonymous pairwise identifiers of message queues, separate for each of your connections — there are no long term identifiers.”

“Temporary anonymous pairwise identifiers

SimpleX uses temporary anonymous pairwise addresses and credentials for each user contact or group member.

It allows to deliver messages without user profile identifiers, providing better meta-data privacy than alternatives.”

We can understand this mechanism as, if a Simplex Chat user has 10 friends, they have 10 IDs, using different IDs with different friends?

Keychat’s metadata privacy protection scheme

Current chat applications and email have forgotten that an address is not the same as an ID, treating the ID as the address. Emails and current chat applications send messages as [from: Alice's ID to: Bob's ID]. Regardless of how your geographical address changes, when Alice sends an email to Bob, it’s always [from: Alice's ID to: Bob's ID]. This compromises metadata privacy.

However, letters work differently; they are [from: Alice's current geographical address to: Bob's current geographical address].

Keychat separates the receiving address and sending addresses from the ID, and the receiving address and sending addresses are also different. Keychat messages are [from: Alice's one-time sending address to: Bob's almost one-time receiving address]. This makes it difficult for outsiders and relay administrators to determine who is sending messages to whom.

Which scheme do you think is easier to understand and better protects metadata privacy?

Finally, Keychat also uses ecash sat as a stamp for messages, with relays funded by stamp revenue to sustain operations.


I prefer SimpleX as well, but to be fair the encryption protocol that Whatsapp uses (and SimpleX uses) was created by Signal, not the other way around. They can't stop Whatsapp from using it. It's open source.

I too wonder why they've never gone at Signal as hard as they did with Telegram.

It is odd tbh. Also, Meredith Whitaker arrogant dismal to the whole insecure encryption key fiasco for Signals desktop app that went down a few months ago left a bad taste in my mouth. Signal should've fixed that problem years ago, there was many complaints, but only relented once there was finally massive public backlash.

Nothing 100% damning, but definitely sus


Another great pod from the Watchman

Watchman Privacy: 129 - Former Blackwater Mercenary

Episode webpage:
https://watchmanprivacy.com/2024/10/14/129-former-blackwater-mercenary/

Media file: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/watchmanprivacy/Episode_129_Former_Blackwater_Mercenary.mp3


Too many bitcoiners are fucking communists who expect others to work for free to only please them, and also live like monks.

Then they complain when open source projects or podcasts get money from people/companies that aren't pure enough.

How about you start paying for the stuff you like instead of being a cheap ass who posts pictures of socks with holes in them while bragging that they never sold any bitcoin?

It's no rocket science, someone has to pay for all the work. And if it ain't you and your friends, it's probably someone you don't like.

But if you don't want to pay/donate and enjoy having everything handed to you for free, at least don't waste everyone's time with your complaints. Nobody cares outside of your circlejerk.


The incentive idea is one aspect that makes nym stand out, but the thing I find particularly interesting about nym is it is a mixnet that eliminates size and timing patterns of data packets making all traffic look indistinguishable. This is not true for Tor afaik.


The thing I find interesting about nym is it is a mixnet that eliminates size and timing patterns of data packets making all traffic look indistinguishable. Maybe Tor or I2P can evolve to incorporate this somehow? I don't know much about it either though.


Wouldnt it be more effective to just poison our food and water?...oops they already have been for decades 🤭

https://apnews.com/article/fluoride-water-brain-neurology-iq-0a671d2de3b386947e2bd5a661f437a5


What is your guys opinions on Nym (or the tech itself) as an eventual replacement for Tor?

https://nymtech.net/about/mixnet

https://nymtech.net/?name=roadmap


Comparison between transactions of BTC vs XMR
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Sad


Cope


He in fact did add Monero 👌


Encrypted messengers
3D2A
Bittorrent
Linux
GrapheneOS
FOSS in general


Many of us, myself included, throw around the term "freedom tech". For me, I often think of Bitcoin, Monero, and Nostr when using the term. Sometimes, Tor, I2P, LoRa mesh radio technologies, PGP, and the like also come to mind.

What other freedom technology do you use on the regular and advocate for?

#freedom #freedomtech #privacy #encryption #asknostr

 via #PostaNota


Be honest

Which of these seems like a better pitch to a normie?

a)
When you spend Bitcoin, it creates tiny capital gains taxes, which nobody wants to keep track of.  So to avoid this, when you buy Bitcoin on a KYC exchange, you should then mix it with hackers and criminals, which immediately lowers it's value, and can be seized if you deposit it back on the exchange.  But this is just to then deposit it into a channel, which you might want to self-host with $500 worth, but it could be a smaller amount with the right non-custodial wallet.  Make sure to backup your channels by saving that information, in-case the lightning wallet provider screws you over, which happened with a few US-based ones during the previous crackdowns.  Now if the other person is online, you can send them layer 2 coins, which can't be traced.  So you can argue to the tax authorities that you spent the original layer 1 Bitcoin when you mixed it with criminal coins.  And then they should be will be willing to accept that you owe no tax, even though Bitcoin's price went to the moon.  Just ignore the fact that they jailed other people for tax evasion, because those convicted felons didn't do it right.  Those other people didn't separate their identity from the activity of the coins, but you're going to master this better than them, despite no experience.  Because you can count on me to teach you.  Next I'll go over how you can receive coins for your business, and then separate the fluctuating value from that business.  Bitcoin is freedom.

b)
Use Monero.  There are liquid global peer-to-peer markets with reliable arbitrators, so from the perspective of your bank, you're just paying some random dude.  But even if you get it on a KYC exchange in your name, the moment you buy it, it becomes completely untraceable, and so you can say you spent or lost it, and effortlessly pay no tax.  It costs 1 penny to send.


"What is Monero's new FCMP++? For noobs!"
https://kewbit.org/in-simple-terms-monero-fcmp-explained/


"Understanding Jamtis: A New Addressing Scheme for Monero"
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What if those seas were known for having merciless pirates prowling the waters? You could go with the bright orange lifeboat because rescuers could see you easily, but that means pirates could also see you easily. That's one dilemma with Bitcoin.


An entire life of brainwashing, can't be undone in one Nostr note

But I'm still gonna try.  Go..

I stand for the principle of Encryption as Identity, that trancends physical locations, and provides self-custody of your speech, money, websites, legal systems, domains, and search

Websites:
Cloudflare does surveillance on the bulk of the internet and breaks SSL encryption to snoop on your passwords.  Learn how Arweave replaces Cloudflare websites:
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/arweave-cloudflare-cdn.html

Search:
Who decides what's true?  I say: let the individual decide.  Learn how YaCy's search engine, not only isn't tied to one location, but lets the end-user filter reality through DHT torrents:
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/how-yacy-works/search.html

Email Lists:
Anything with encryption can protect a client.  But how do you protect a SERVER?  Unlike Tor Onions, where discovery of the server ends your speech, with Session you can endlessly rotate your blockchain domain name to a new VPS.  Learn how it replaces email lists:
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/uncensored/index.html

Registration:
Governments collect a fee to register a company.  But when the customer is hurt, do they get any of those funds?  Learn How PGP Arbitration replaces the government court's "justice":
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/how-pgp-insurance/index.html

World Peace:
Bastyon encourages world peace, by enabling Russians and Chinese to cross their firewalls and understand Americans without government DNS.  Learn how Bastyon torrents replace Youtube, in ways Peertube failed:
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/bastyon-telegram/investment.html

Cash:
Yeah, Gold and Bitcoin can hedge inflation, but it's real-world use creates tax problems with small KYC capital gains when used as cash, and custodial wallets are the new banks.  Learn how Monero replaces Cash:
https://video.simplifiedprivacy.com/how-xmr-works/

Nostr:
And you already know how Nostr works.  But here's how to persuade your friends to join it,
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/why-you-need-nostr/index.html


No nonsense PGP discussion

Watchman Privacy: 128 - Learning PGP and Public-Key Cryptography

Episode webpage: https://watchmanprivacy.com/

Media file: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/watchmanprivacy/Episode_128_Learning_PGP_and_Public_Key_Cryptography.mp3


What if privacy comes to Bitcoin, but the Saylor'd community rejects it and it never gets adopted?

Listen to Robin Linus (BitVM), Liam Eagen (Alpen Labs) & Jonas Nick (Blockstream) answer this question on S15 E38 of the Bitcoin Takeover podcast, during which they explain their Shielded Client Side Validation paper – a proposal that can help Bitcoin get 100 private transactions per second!

https://www.youtube.com/live/f8aNWuBNnik?si=4GRjjElHtafAsfn3


mainnet #backbone #nodes #fullnodes #miningnodes https://image.nostr.build/e85de69bac5a31feb1b548811fbc8d361031370f3f6861b54886f6967894eec1.png  Trusted seeders seeders =
    seed.bitcoin.sipa.be
    dnsseed.bluematt.me
    dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org
    seed.bitcoinstats.com
    seed.bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch
    seed.btc.petertodd.org
    seed.bitcoin.sprovoost.nl
    dnsseed.emzy.de
    seed.bitcoin.wiz.biz
    seed.bitnodes.io
geoips are useless old farts since tunnel vpn vps never give true admin location


"BOLT12 in the Spec" from Ungovernable Misfits "Is Multisig Too Hard? | THE BITCOIN BRIEF 42"

https://cdn.satellite.earth/0d5cfda42dfd8cd144286d2dcca3c349a60ef84d313fe1a5a77fb5e8a2989876.mp4

Listen on Fountain
https://fountain.fm/episode/D4Bn5RoS4qSz89FOxalN


We now accept Monero (XMR) via our @BtcpayServer integration!

Use #Monero to access all of your favorite premium AI chat and image models.

- Pay-per-use
- No subscriptions or credit cards
- Data is stored locally and not on our servers!

https://m.primal.net/LRSq.png


Tool to know if you have DNS leaks, and another one for your ip leaks through the WebRTC protocol, useful if you use VPN.

Also two web sites where you can check the reliability of your ad blocker.

DNS Leak Test:
https://www.dnsleaktest.com

WebRTC Leak Test:
https://browserleaks.com/webrtc

AdBlock Test:
https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html
https://adblock-tester.com


"Something that by the way monero clients should also take care of..."

Aside from using your own Monero node, and/or going through Tor, how else would this be done? Is there some clever scheme to get around this?


Entendo, estou usando um tradutor, foi difícil decifrar o que estava sendo dito


Ok, well that is a different topic, I'm referring specifically to making private transactions. The quote from from the Chainalysis agent not me


This is a great advertisement for Monero if you watch the video. From the start the Chainalysis agent is in awe of Moneros privacy.

Despite the target using a malicious public node, aside from trying to guess an IP address, they can't really gather much from it. He throws caveats through the whole video: "might be the user" "no strong indications" "I don't feel confident" "we have to keep in mind that's just one possibility...we do not know with any certainty..." "not many bread crumbs to follow"

And they still have zero knowledge of the amount of Monero sent or who it was sent to.

"If you are a privacy advocate it really is objectively better than Bitcoin


Analysis of monero transactions by chainalysis.

https://m.primal.net/LQvP.mp4

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"Rocelo ligou para o pessoal da fundação Monero..."

O que você quer dizer? Para quem ele ligou? Monero não tem fundação

E mesmo se tivessem, não poderiam lhe dizer nada porque somente os usuários têm as chaves de descriptografia para suas carteiras


I've built a thing: The Cashu mint Round Robin auditor

An app that perpetually monitors a list of mints by randomly sending Lightning payments between them. Forever. The sats go in a circle until all is lost to fees or rugs. If a mint fails to pay an invoice, it is marked with a scary red label.

You can donate Ecash from any mint to add it to the list of audited mints!

https://audit.8333.space
 https://image.nostr.build/1681a4dce2de71daa02c14046412f05ecdabff3fbe4df2f46aa389a3424fb975.jpg


Taken down when the devs got raided and arrested

Some anons took over and forked the wallet, but they still don't have Whirlpool or xmr swaps (yet?)

ashigaru.rs


No difference

https://image.nostr.build/d0caf1fbf38b76f7d892e76aadde0792ec9fd1be7806a02657f724984bad719d.jpg


Hes probably talking about https://mostard.org/

But Monero relays aren't even the default. It gives you the choice of choosing Popular/Onion/Monero relays right at the start. He's making it seem as if it's forcing you into Monero relays...


Are they just pretending they dont know that Monero still provides privacy guarantees DESPITE connecting to a malicious node?

Or do they really not know?

It's a strict privacy improvement over Bitcoin even in those situations no matter how they cut it


Devs can't control what software you run on your computer. That is how Monero was created to begin with. The community didn't agree with the devs and left. If you don't agree with an upgrade that devs and the community both agree on, you can fork or swap out to a crypto that more aligns with what you want and no one can stop you either.

What you really want is guarantee of a ticker symbol

Every transaction I make on Bitcoin makes me poorer than I would have been if I made that transaction on Monero.

Lightning is mostly custodial and centralized, whirlpool doesn't exist anymore, joinmarket is vulnerable to sybil attacks, ecash is custodial, paynyms leave metadata on the blockchain with it's notification transaction.

Most Bitcoiners don't run nodes either. It was always going to be that way. Maybe you don't understand how Monero works. Even using a malicious node they still can't see how much Monero you sent or who received it. Every situation you listed is 100x worse privacy if done with Bitcoin. So Monero is still a strict improvement even in those scenarios.

https://localmonero.co/knowledge/remote-nodes-privacy


Probably Bisq if you want to go BTC -> XMR, or Haveno-Reto if you want to go fiat -> XMR

https://bisq.network/
https://haveno-reto.com/


Most "maxi’s" will call me a shitcoiner cuz I actively use monero… but I have been involved with bitcoin for a while now… longer then most… and probably have more bitcoin then most because I was a miner before asics were out…
Had the first llc in my state for my mining business… the list goes on but I’m a shitcoiner right? GFY


Me too
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looks promising

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That's a litmus test for me.
If you can't critically evaluate your favorite coin, what are you even doing here?

The only reason Bitcoin got this far is because of critical thinking and preparing for adversarial situations. If we can't continue to do that, we're screwed.

Generally, Monero Bros are willing to talk about trade-offs critically. Bitcoin maxis not so much. lol

There are Monero Maxis though but maybe they stayed on Twitter?
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Check out Gupax

https://gupax.io/


https://zapalytics.com/ 🧐


Dont you guys have your own "safe space" relays that only allow Bitcoin payments? 🤔

Larger and more of them too


Monero bouncing back

We survived the Kraken EU delisting

You're calling me a shitcoin, And that's ironic,

Because the look of you holding in your anger everytime we stay alive, looks like you're constipated


GM!

Recordad que todo lo que intente ir contra el  sistema actual intentarán prohibirlo. Todo lo que no puedan controlar es un ataque directo.

Van a ir a por las apps cifradas de mensajería y por supuesto, a por las criptomonedas como Monero.

Usad lo que este en vuestra mano para protegeros de este sistema corrupto.

Les queda poco.


Me too


Ok, then that gives you even more options. Most popular would probably be Cash-by-mail. Try posting your preferred way on Bisq and leave it running. Make sure your computer settings don't put your computer to sleep. Someone will take your offer without a doubt. Just have to wait.

Face to face limits your potential pool of traders quite a bit since they have to be near the same physical location, but might work in bigger cities


No facts allowed. You know the routine.
https://image.nostr.build/09d88e2d2e4c21e2e55852f3ddcf12e923a94bbc11a00966e7bee32545d08ce3.jpg


I know. I uploaded it for the "be your own bank" part. I didn't create the meme, but it's mostly accurate.


I'm assuming you mean cash-by-mail? If you don't see a trading pair on Bisq, just make your own offer and leave it up for a day or so.

Someone will take it pretty quick if its a reasonable rate. Closer to 0% the faster it will be snatched up.


How much do you need?

DM me


"Monero is a very good privacy complement to Bitcoin" -Nick Szabo

"Maybe you need a Monero" -Michael Saylor

"For really strong privacy, Monero is much better" -Andreas Antonopoulos

"There's a lot of advantages to using Monero" -Matt Odell

"Monero is the only goddamn currency that's used!" -John McAfee

"Monero will be a champion in that space and we'll have a Bitcoin-Monero duopoly" -Max Keiser

"All fiat systems and all tokens outside of Bitcoin and monero (to my knowledge) have middlemen you cannot get rid of" -Adam Curry

"I would say Monero is not a shitcoin. I think it's a very innovative and new research project that works." -Max Hillbrand

"Monero; Just use it. Objectively it's better than Bitcoin [for privacy]...it's obvious" -Amir Taaki

"Monero is closer to our hearts than whatever Bitcoin is turning into today" -Samourai Wallet

"Bitcoin is the reserve currency. Hold it. Privacy coins are transactional privacy. Use them...Monero" -Balaji

"99% of cryptocurrencies are complete and total garbage, but even among the upper echeleon of real ones, Monero is in the top percentile, so it deserves our respect" -Paul Sztorc

"Surprising number of Monero lovers on #Nostr. It’s the only altcoin that I consider has a community of actual cypherpunks with similarly aligned values as bitcoin." -Guy Swann

"Monero has always been the altcoin outlier for me, never a shitcoin because I have a valid use for it that I can't achieve with #bitcoin." -Peter McCormack

"I have an issue when Bitcoiners get so closed-minded and says Moneros a shitcoin. No it's not. There's some brilliant people there and there's a lot to learn...I'm a fan of Monero." -Nicholas Gregory of Mercury Layer

"Cashu isn't an alternative to Monero. Monero is cool." -Calle

"To me Monero is the litmus test in Bitcoin...Monero is such a good money just technically" -Ragnar Lifthrasir of Guns N Bitcoin

...sure buddy


Ecash mints CAN covertly print as many tokens as they want. You don't know that? That's an inarguable fact. Ask any ecash dev. It has no connection with Bitcoins supply so can't break Bitcoins supply. I don't know who told you that (I sure didn't)

Ecash is a shitcoin (a useful one). It has all the properties of one. Yall just perform insane mental gymnastics to pretend it isn't one because it's the one shitcoin Bitcoin maxis like and you can't admit that. It's okay to find Ecash useful bro. No need to pretend it is something that its not.


LN is notorious for failed payments.

They couldn't even get it to work on a custodial LN app that Trump was trying to pay with. It was painful to watch.

Guess we all have things to improve


Se as decisões de design do Bitcoin são baseadas em se o governo gosta ou não, então suas decisões sobre onde isso para parecem arbitrárias. Se o governo não gosta do limite de fornecimento de 21 milhões do Bitcoin, devemos mudar isso? E se eles não gostarem que não exija permissão deles? Devemos mudar isso para que seja mais atraente?

Usuários do Mixer não estão protegidos. Há pessoas como Roman Sterlingov na prisão agora por usar mixers.

Se o governo considerasse o Bitcoin como uma ameaça, eles o baniriam de todas as bolsas, assim como o que está acontecendo com o Monero agora.

Stablecoins são a criptomoeda de escolha na América Central, Ásia e África. O Bitcoin teve a oportunidade de atrair esses usuários, mas optou por se abster de inovação. Tudo o mais que você diz é especulação.

A falta de forte anonimato e privacidade do Bitcoin não foi intencional. Foi pensado que era o suficiente naquela época. Satoshi queria mais anonimato e privacidade no Bitcoin. Ele até falou sobre provas de conhecimento zero. É claro que os cypherpunks antes dele foram fortes influências sobre ele, até mesmo mencionados no white paper e em suas postagens no fórum. A tecnologia simplesmente não existia naquela época ou ainda era muito nova. Aqui ele está falando sobre toda a tecnologia de privacidade que foi eventualmente implementada no Monero.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770.msg9074#msg9074
 https://image.nostr.build/1d76ce41f9e58aaa100484d22356101b72ffc9b70cf7984032af2e23d2d77a7f.jpg


New versions of Stack Wallet (2.1.7) and Duo (1.2.3) out now. Release notes for SW below, for SD just remove anything non-XMR or BTC.

Release notes:
- Added XMR/WOW coin control
- Added Cardano
- Updated to latest Flutter
- Updated to latest Frost (more on this later)
- Updated underlying monero_c
- Updated themes server with fixes
- We didn't release the last Duo even though it was ready, so everything in previous Duo post applies too (sorry all!) All platforms.

Have fun!

https://mastodon.stack.black/system/media_attachments/files/113/268/507/661/371/598/original/6f4d4d6b1dc4d37d.jpg

https://mastodon.stack.black/system/media_attachments/files/113/268/507/656/614/143/original/5fdfeb6a60a45864.jpg


"XMR Price F.Y.I. - a new Monero price API with unbiased street price data from multiple sources, including Haveno-reto and Bisq"

https://monero.observer/ki9-starts-work-xmr-price-api-data-haveno-bisq/


Se você acha que certos objetivos serão mais eficazes, vejo que você traz alguns pontos interessantes. Eu tenho que pensar mais nisso.

Bitcoin e Monero estão tentando táticas diferentes.. Transparência vs privacidade. Apelo em massa versus minoria zelosa. Vamos ver qual deles funciona. Talvez ambos sejam um sucesso à sua maneira.


I don't know if I was clear, but they must have a Monero address somewhere on their profile or it won't work. Look at my profile for an example.


Strange. Was it on your phone browser or desktop/laptop browser?


Ok, agora entendi o que você quer dizer


Mesmo que não concordemos em tudo, gosto das nossas conversas, amigo 🤝


Um hardfork de privacidade certamente significaria que as pessoas que se juntassem a ele perderiam dinheiro.

Pessoas e empresas normais (a maioria do valor de mercado) permanecerão no Bitcoin “amigável à regulamentação” pelo mesmo motivo pelo qual seguem tais leis agora.


Ecash can trivially be fashioned to work with any crypto (send mint crypto, dispense tokens). It's not exclusive to Bitcoin. There is already a Bitcoiner developing Monero Ecash and a bounty for it.

Doesn't matter. A mint can covertly print as many tokens as they want. Bitcoins fixed supply doesn't limit that in any way.

https://njump.me/nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqmajvcqjcvqgxql9ftj4zs95d9t7n9uqnpqpmk357nvjrgn4h79mqyw8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnsdae8getddahx2un09e3k7mf0qyd8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnndp5hgen0wf3k2tn0dejj7qpqqeraqwjgqv7an4l28pz4wtwvxeg4swrwyx7gmat7k45gfsysdggstfxxdq


1- Talvez proibições não sejam uma coisa boa, mas devem ser esperadas ao enfrentar essa fera do governo fiduciário. Se sua criptomoeda se tornar inútil ou não funcionar após uma proibição, ela nunca iria funcionar de qualquer maneira. A proposta de valor central é que ela funcionará apesar das ações do governo e sem permissão.

2 - Liberdade, soberania e privacidade são nichos. Esse sempre foi o caso. O Bitcoin só foi realisticamente atraente para um pequeno grupo de humanos no planeta. A maioria das pessoas simplesmente segue em frente sem pensar. Mas tudo bem, todas as ideias revolucionárias foram iniciadas por apenas um pequeno, mas fervoroso, punhado de pessoas.

3 - Só porque aqueles que detêm o poder possuem Bitcoin, não significa que eles permitirão a você o mesmo privilégio. Os governos podem impor impostos onerosos sobre você e até mesmo tornar ilegal para cidadãos normais manter Bitcoin.

Com o tempo, acho que os governos usarão o Bitcoin como uma moeda neutra entre si, enquanto impõem restrições aos seus cidadãos sobre o uso do Bitcoin (se eles os deixarem usá-lo) porque é uma ameaça ao seu controle. Somente cidadãos não conformes que utilizam mercados negros e sistemas anônimos/privados poderão usar o Bitcoin sem impedimentos.


It would be accurate to say Monero is less scalable than Bitcoin, but effectively there is no practical difference in regards to large global adoption on-chain. Both can't without centralizing or failing completely.

It's like arguing about whether a semi-truck is better at trying to stop a train, versus a car trying to stop a train. Technically the semi-truck offers more resistance, but in the end it makes no real difference. The end result is both smashed to pieces and the train barely noticing.

Layers definitely help with scaling both. FCMP++ upgrade for Monero begins to enable L2s on Monero. But both Monero and Bitcoin are still a long way from being able to properly scale globally.


Unfortunately no it doesn't. It's an easy fix but the developer has been AWOL for awhile and Garnet has fallen way behind Amethyst in the meanwhile. There is a small bounty for someone to bring it up to date: https://bounties.monero.social/posts/147/2-004m-garnet-maintenance-sync-upstream-new-icons-resolve-amethyst-dual-install-conflict-etc

In the meanwhile If you're looking for a clean, simple alternative client for Monero tipping that also works on phones nostr:npub1saessfmtu5xwnwh60e0rwnj0e067npv6yxgc7d96algqqart056s5gkuqh created https://mostard.org/


For long term holding I would look at one of the hardware/offline/paper wallets at the bottom of this link.

There are a lot more options if you don't like Cake below. You might like Stack Wallet or Monerujo for a phone wallet

https://paste.sethforprivacy.com/?456b25459c08b9fd#Fi6CWPQYERKH2ZJxSW2nvUzS4qTGaRED4Euobmnn6yxr


bitcoin maxis use religious exclusivism. in order for BTC to be good, XMR has to be bad. it is impossible for BTC to be good if XMR is good. so XMR is bad.


> [Read the original blog post](https://test.com/p/monero-history)

Bitcoin enthusiasts always rightly remark how much value it adds to Bitcoin not to have a face, a leader, or a central authority behind it. This particularity means there isn't a single person to exert control over, or a single point of failure who could become corrupt or harmful to the project.

Because of this, it is said that no other coin can be equally valuable as Bitcoin in terms of decentralization and trustworthiness. Bitcoin is unique not just for being first, but also because of how the events behind its inception developed. This implies that, from Bitcoin onwards, any coin would have been created by a known entity, consequently having an authority behind it. For this and some other reasons, some people refer to Bitcoin as "[The Immaculate Conception](https://yewtu.be/watch?v=FXvQcuIb5rU)".

While other coins may have their own unique features and advantages, they may not be able to replicate Bitcoin's community-driven nature. However, there's one other cryptocurrency shares a similar story of mystery behind its creation: **Monero**.

## History of Monero

### Bytecoin and CryptoNote

In March 2014, a Bitcointalk thread titled "*Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012*" by a user under the nickname "**DStrange**"[^1^] was created. DStrange presented Bytecoin (BCN) as a unique cryptocurrency, in operation since July 2012. Unlike Bitcoin, it employed a new algorithm known as CryptoNote[^1^].

DStrange apparently stumbled upon the Bytecoin website "by chance" while mining a dying bitcoin fork, and decided to create a thread on Bitcointalk[^1^]. This sparked curiosity among some users, who wondered how could Bytecoin remain unnoticed since its alleged launch in 2012[^2^] [^3^].

Some time after, a user brought up the "CryptoNote v2.0" whitepaper for the first time, underlining its innovative features[^4^]. Authored by the pseudonymous **Nicolas van Saberhagen** in October 2013, the CryptoNote v2 whitepaper[^5^] highlighted the traceability and privacy problems in Bitcoin. Saberhagen argued that these flaws could not be quickly fixed, suggesting it would be more efficient to start a new project rather than trying to patch the original[^5^], an statement simmilar to the one from Satoshi Nakamoto[^6^].

Checking with Saberhagen's digital signature, the release date of the whitepaper seemed valid, which would mean that CryptoNote (v1) was created in 2012[^7^] [^8^], although there's an important detail: *"Signing time is from the clock on the signer's computer"* [^9^]. Moreover, the whitepaper v1 contains a footnote link to a Bitcointalk post dated May 5, 2013[^10^], making it impossible for the whitepaper to have been signed and released on December 12, 2012.

As the narrative developed, users discovered that a significant **80% portion of Bytecoin had been pre-mined**[^11^] and blockchain dates seemed to be faked to make it look like it had been operating since 2012, leading to controversy surrounding the project.

The origins of CryptoNote and Bytecoin remain mysterious, leaving suspicions of a possible scam attempt, although the whitepaper had a good amount of work and thought.

### The fork

In April 2014, the Bitcointalk user **`thankful_for_today`**, who had also participated in the Bytecoin thread[^12^], announced plans to launch a Bytecoin fork named **Bitmonero**[^13^] [^14^].

The primary motivation behind this fork was *"Because there is a number of technical and marketing issues I wanted to do differently. And also because I like ideas and technology and I want it to succeed"*[^14^]. Bitmonero did things different from Bytecoin: there was no premine or instamine, and no portion of the block reward went to development.

However, thankful_for_today forced controversial changes that the community disagreed with. **Johnny Mnemonic** relates the events surrounding Bitmonero and thankful_for_today in a Bitcointalk comment[^15^]:

> When thankful_for_today launched BitMonero [...] he ignored everything that was discussed and just did what he wanted. The block reward was considerably steeper than what everyone was expecting. He also moved forward with 1-minute block times despite everyone's concerns about the increase of orphan blocks. He also didn't address the tail emission concern that should've (in my opinion) been in the code at launch time. Basically, he messed everything up. *Then, he disappeared*.

After disappearing for a while, thankful_for_today returned to find that the community had taken over the project. Johnny Mnemonic continues:

> I, and others, started working on new forks that were closer to what everyone else was hoping for. [...] it was decided that the BitMonero project should just be taken over. There were like 9 or 10 interested parties at the time if my memory is correct. We voted on IRC to drop the "bit" from BitMonero and move forward with the project. Thankful_for_today suddenly resurfaced, and wasn't happy to learn the community had assumed control of the coin. He attempted to maintain his own fork (still calling it "BitMonero") for a while, but that quickly fell into obscurity.

The unfolding of these events show us the roots of Monero. Much like Satoshi Nakamoto, the creators behind CryptoNote/Bytecoin and thankful_for_today remain a mystery[^17^] [^18^], having disappeared without a trace. This enigma only adds to Monero's value.

Since community took over development, believing in the project's potential and its ability to be guided in a better direction, Monero was given one of Bitcoin's most important qualities: **a leaderless nature**. With no single face or entity directing its path, Monero is safe of potential corruption or harm from a "central authority".

The community continued developing Monero until today. Since then, Monero has undergone a lot of technological improvements, migrations and achievements such as [RingCT](https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/ringCT.html) and [RandomX](https://github.com/tevador/randomx). It also has developed its own [Community Crowdfundinc System](https://ccs.getmonero.org/), conferences such as [MoneroKon](https://monerokon.org/) and [Monerotopia](https://monerotopia.com/) are taking place every year, and has a very active [community](https://www.getmonero.org/community/hangouts/) around it.

> Monero continues to develop with goals of privacy and security first, ease of use and efficiency second[^16^].

This stands as a testament to the power of a dedicated community operating without a central figure of authority. This decentralized approach aligns with the original ethos of cryptocurrency, making Monero a prime example of community-driven innovation.

### Sources of interest

* https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/211/history-of-monero
* https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/852/what-is-the-origin-of-monero-and-its-relationship-to-bytecoin
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monero
* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0
* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.0
* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=233561
* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.0
* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0
* https://monero.stackexchange.com/a/1024
* https://inspec2t-project.eu/cryptocurrency-with-a-focus-on-anonymity-these-facts-are-known-about-monero/
* https://medium.com/coin-story/coin-perspective-13-riccardo-spagni-69ef82907bd1
* https://www.getmonero.org/resources/about/
* https://www.wired.com/2017/01/monero-drug-dealers-cryptocurrency-choice-fire/
* https://www.monero.how/why-monero-vs-bitcoin
* https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/u8e5yr/satoshi_nakamoto_talked_about_privacy_features/
* https://moneroj.net/merchants_increase/
* https://moneroj.net/social5/

[^1^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.0
[^2^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg5901770#msg5901770
[^3^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg5950051#msg5950051
[^4^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg5953783#msg5953783
[^5^]: https://bytecoin.org/old/whitepaper.pdf
[^6^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770.msg8637#msg8637
[^7^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg7039536#msg7039536
[^8^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg7039689#msg7039689
[^9^]: https://i.stack.imgur.com/qtJ43.png
[^10^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112
[^11^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg6265128#msg6265128
[^12^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg5711328#msg5711328
[^13^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg6146717#msg6146717
[^14^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.0
[^15^]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10731078#msg10731078
[^16^]: https://www.getmonero.org/resources/about/
[^17^]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/lz2e5v/going_deep_in_the_CryptoNote_rabbit_hole_who_was/
[^18^]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/oxpimb/is_there_any_evidence_that_thankful_for_today/


I have been seeing more monero people on nostr too.  My take is that Bitcoin is an "anonymous" savings account, and monero is an optional "private" checking account.  I don't know their situation in the world but with KYC creeping into bitcoin I feel their concern.


:monero:


Bitcoin has scaling issues. Even Lightning has scaling issues.

There is no scaling solution for Bitcoin that exists right now aside from ecash custodians (doesn't "scale" Bitcoin, it scales IOUs) which can be trivially implemented on Monero or any crypto for that matter


Sure, I'm just saying the "need" isn't there on white markets in general which is why hardly anyone uses it there aside from use true believers

Much less friction to use fiat money to do things you are allowed to do anyway (faster, cheaper, convenient, no legal ambiguity, larger network effect, etc)

It's only when you want to do something that isn't allowed, possible, or places great burden on you, within the fiat system, that Bitcoin/Monero/Crypto suddenly stand out


Really? I actually don't know of any ecash right now that requires KYC 😅 and the protocols are permissionless so anyone can spin up a mint that doesn't require it.

Ecash provides very strong privacy and anonymity within the mint (even from the mint itself), but one big caveat: It requires some trust since they are custodians. They can steal your Bitcoin or issue unbacked tokens (fractional reserve).

I sent you some ecash in a message you can claim and play around with

You can use a VPN to get around any geoblocking. I use Minibits but here are a few that don't require KYC:
https://www.minibits.cash/
https://www.enuts.cash/
https://wallet.cashu.me/
https://nutstash.app/


Here it is I think

https://github.com/rafael-xmr/nostrudel/tree/mostard


I had it saved somewhere, but cant find it atm

Can you point us in the right direction nostr:npub1saessfmtu5xwnwh60e0rwnj0e067npv6yxgc7d96algqqart056s5gkuqh ?


I don't think it has a built-in Monero wallet.

It works like this: When someone has a Monero address in their profile the Monero tip button will be "lit up". If you click it, an address/QR code will pop-up so you can tip from an external wallet.

I think it's actually a little more elegant in design than Garnet, since Garnets built-in wallet slows down the app quite a bit compared to Amethyst.


if you want a nostr client on laptop with Monero integration for tipping, check out moStard
https://mostard.org


Qualquer uso de Bitcoin no mercado branco depende de políticos para proteger o Bitcoin, então derrota todo o propósito. Já temos dinheiro fiduciário que depende de política.

Se eles controlam as regras, e você está seguindo essas regras, você não pode evitar impostos mesmo que seu dinheiro não tenha inflação. Eles podem simplesmente continuar aumentando os impostos para compensar, *ou* proibir a posse direta de Bitcoin (então seus "custódios regulamentados aprovados" podem inflar o fornecimento de IOUs).

Se você não está seguindo essas regras, é isso que chamamos de mercado negro


Você não precisa de dinheiro sem permissão para coisas que você já tem permissão para comprar


With the proper knowledge, time, and money you can remain anonymous on Bitcoins blockchain. But you can *never* be private because everything is visible to everyone in the world even if they don't necessarily know who you are.

Yes, ideally you would buy no-KYC and Coinjoin often (but that will be relatively expensive and time-consuming). Most transactions are naively traceable because hardly anyone Coinjoins.

If you want anonymity *and* privacy, the future ultimately boils down to making your transactions on a second/offchain layer (ecash, lightning, drivechain, zkrollups, etc), or a privacy-focused blockchain (Monero, LitecoinMWEB, etc). Each thing has it's own advantages.

https://image.nostr.build/bedb0c335cbb50d62a4b9fe8a4fa8948b6be78d550040688fe088827d2c74d7e.jpg


legend nostr:nprofile1qqsynpxmr0lc00m8ev7almuyvfwu4y30kmajas6r6k06qfhuns5ctjgpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwd4hhxarj9ec82cspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mq80tqjq ✌

Now I understand why the appeal of Monero as a privacy transaction. 🤔

It makes sense! 💯


You don't need permissionless money for things you already have permission to buy


Bitcoin Brief recording about to go down. 🎤


"The transactional solutions are arriving to the Bitcoin stack which has a verifiable fixed supply."

This is about Ecash vs Monero, sir, and last I checked Ecash doesn't even pretend to have a verifiable fixed supply. Mint has the centralized ability of printing unbacked tokens form thin air (at least Monero requires PoW and anyone can participate in issuance)

"It’s the only money I care to use."

Why cloak yourself behind half-baked arguments then? Just say that from the start


In episode 7 of season 2, nostr:npub1yxp7j36cfqws7yj0hkfu2mx25308u4zua6ud22zglxp98ayhh96s8c399s comes on the Outlaw Crypto Podcast to debate privacy on Lightning vs. Privacy coins like XMR!

https://podcast.paranoiamachinery.com/@paranoia_machinery/episodes/supertestnet-lightnings-privacy-episode-7-season-2-outlaw-crypto-podcast


Run a node, mine on p2pool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkphgF6Hn4w


Other issues with cash:
-Can't transact instantly with anyone on the planet.
-More difficult to verify authenticity on-the-fly.
-Not as easily divisible (Need to carry specific denominations and change)
-Can't trustlessly exchange for crypto (no atomic swaps)
-Can't have multiple people with simultaneous ownership and control over the same cash (multisig)

"HOW DO I GET MONERO?" 👇
https://paste.sethforprivacy.com/?e839f39d0171a97b#Cx6NMmUdH25dmkq2ux54gu6h4vEND28hkPohQY9aEEej
"WHERE CAN I SPEND MONERO?" 👇
https://paste.sethforprivacy.com/?3eac26d0ca24bfa7#8eeQGJMxpFxz4cYXPBZhH5pcLNWzUSVzArErXqcndGqj


Earn:
XMRBazaar, BitcoinTalk, MoneroMarket(io), MoneroTown, Monerica, Nostr

Spend:
CakeWallet, CoinCards, Bitrefill, MoonPay

The issue with credit cards is:
--Full surveillance
--You own nothing, government is your master
--Banks urinate on you with inflation
--FDIC is worthless in an interest rate financial crisis, look at what happened when the Fed jacked last round.  Cali banks went bust.
--World Bank and IMF trap the third world in perpetual debt.  And you're enabling this slavery by placing value on the promises of the oppressor

The issue with cash is:
--You're carrying a large amount of paper
--Easy to lose it
--Easy to get robbed
--Harder to track & control your spending
--Still inflation urinates on you, and you get 0 interest.
--Counting large amounts sucks, you're literally all day counting paper from one hand to another?  Your hands hurt, you can't jack off.


Not necessarily. Cash-by-mail is the most anonymous way. But even using payment apps like Zelle, Revolut, Venmo, Paypal, Cashapp, etc they have no idea you are buying Monero. They just see you sending/receiving money like anyone else. They don't know why.

You can also work for it directly or sell stuff P2P


Even if it was banned from every single exchange on the planet it is impossible to stop people from buying it.

Every crypto is one simple swap away from Monero (e.g. Litecoin, Bitcoin, Ethereum)

You can also still buy it directly with fiat using DEXs like Bisq or Haveno

In the US you can still buy Monero using traditional exchanges like Kraken or KuCoin for now if you don't care about KYC

https://paste.sethforprivacy.com/?e839f39d0171a97b#Cx6NMmUdH25dmkq2ux54gu6h4vEND28hkPohQY9aEEej


Exactly. Time is also money.

I'm losing time finicking with keeping to best privacy practices of lightning and maintaining it going forwards (running your own node, CJing before/after opening and closing channels, choosing who I want to have receiver privacy from: a proxy node wrapping invoices for me or the general public. Hopefully will get better once BOLT12 gains more adoption). Same thing with coinjoining with the addition of high fees. Ecash is the best UX of those, but I have the possibility of being rugged 100% of my money (accidentally or intentionally) hanging over me especially at these early stages.


If you mostly save with Bitcoin and have a small stash of Monero that you are constantly using up and replenishing periodically, your exposure when this happens is fairly negligible

I'm not telling you to do this. I'm just saying it really is not a big deal in my experience.

I experiment with the tools you mentioned too like ecash, lightning, and coinjoins. Each one has it's own advantages and downsides. I like the simplicity yet strong privacy of Monero personally and that is what I use the most for transactions.


Can't a Monero/Bitcoin user just say the same thing?

"I don't keep my retirement money in Monero, just the money I intend to spend that month"

They can even completely avoid the potential 100% loss from being rugged

Btw I think ecash has it's own advantages over Monero and vice versa. I use both.


I think everything you say is reasonable long-term if historical trends continue...

But as for the exposing yourself to loss on the scale of minutes comment is kind of silly. I don't think short term is the same. For example there are years, months, weeks, and days where Monero outperforms Bitcoin. Most of 2020 and all of the year of 2022 you would have made money if you swapped into Monero (it shows this in your own chart). The last 5 months straight (before September) Monero outperformed Bitcoin this year.

For swapping short term it is anyones guess which will do better. Sometimes you will be up, sometimes down. It pretty much cancels out on short time scales.


Everything has trade offs 💯


Halloween masks, costumes, accessories, and decorations

Looks like they accept Monero 👻🎃🕷🕸

https://horrifiq.com/


Between those two definitely Brave

Librewolf and Mullvad browser too (pros and cons to all)

https://privacytests.org/


Monero (XMR): the best of the best privacy-focused cryptocurrencies.
https://nostrcheck.me/media/abceb85a61a39fdc0ae65cf64043fd5bad7e0031f9429859856b6db9a8d2f303/d01aa733f53b18e9d39b4f8af13a45f593489dd8176024e06080007bbcee3b8e.webp


Monero is the way


:monero:


Lmao you're right. It could be just fine, but I'm leaning towards those with more more reputation, transparency, and vetting in the space. Also, if it doesn't have many users, you wont have much of a crowd to hide in. Just my opinion. Try it if you want. They don't accept Monero, but looks like they accept Bitcoin/Lightning and only require an email.


One can just as easily argue that "custodial solutions" are low time preference behavior


By the way, you can also have Monero-based ecash. There is someone already potentially working on it.

https://njump.me/nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqmajvcqjcvqgxql9ftj4zs95d9t7n9uqnpqpmk357nvjrgn4h79mqyw8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnsdae8getddahx2un09e3k7mf0qyd8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnndp5hgen0wf3k2tn0dejj7qpqqeraqwjgqv7an4l28pz4wtwvxeg4swrwyx7gmat7k45gfsysdggstfxxdq


This makes complete sense to me...

How about it, #Monero people? Bring your A-game argument to refute this?🤔 #asknostr
nostr:nevent1qqsq4fk0n6yevm2fmsh0rzawlr50u9aydlkstmxljv4m3jkze5t53qgpzdmhxue69uhk7enxvd5xz6tw9ec82c30qgs8t0er2vdwn7vvv2v4hgr3j8jg36k5wkt4xuwk847l634auxl639grqsqqqqqp7h75mz


He already admitted the *major* difference.
One requires trust in a custodian (ecash), the other doesn't (Monero)
It's can never be a full replacement for Monero because of that.

That being said they each have their own unique advantages. For instance, ecash is: instant, free to transact, and can be used offline.

Different tools and use-cases.

The Monero "debasing" Bitcoin part makes zero sense


With our anonymous domain name registration service you can choose between hundreds of supported TLDs available at reasonable pricing and free DNS Managment! No personal information required. Pay with Bitcoin, Lightning, Monero and other cryptos
https://mynymbox.io/domainregister

https://image.nostr.build/e543d0e794a865e9b49575991af2eaa911abb31b608a222961d842c89a3bcf73.jpg


Bitcoin's lack of privacy features makes mixers ineffective, positioning Monero as the premier privacy coin. Critics urge not to conflate Bitcoin with political figures, emphasizing its power to defund corruption. Memorable seed phrase management enhances wallet security, promoting user sovereignty. #Bitcoin #studybitcoin


Never heard of it. Better off with Mullvad or IVPN.

No identification required for either one (not even an email). Pay with cash, Monero, or Bitcoin.


Most used and battle-tested privacy coin especially in the most hostile environments (i.e. Darknet Markets). Was banned from another major exchange again last week.

Closest to the cypherpunk spirit imo. More emphasis on private/anonymous transactions, less on price/speculation/hodling.


https://image.nostr.build/41384c59e31f3b41b1a2f49aa1ccea041d72ffc852207c653d3a05c0e3e64e21.png
https://xcancel.com/renepickhardt/status/1841412120870555675#m


Satoshi on improving Bitcoins privacy and zero-knowledge-proofs:

"This is a very interesting topic. If a solution was found, a much better, easier, more convenient implementation of Bitcoin would be possible..."

#Monero #XMR #FCMP

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770.msg8637#msg8637


It doesn't surprise me that,

SimpleX is under attack by corrupt liar Wired:

"Neo-Nazis Are Fleeing Telegram for Encrypted App SimpleX Chat"
https://www.wired.com/story/neo-nazis-flee-telegram-encrypted-app-simplex/

What DOES surprise me is the reaction of developer Evgeny Poberezkin,

Here's the quote from the article:

<quote>
"And Poberezkin believes that the current limitations of his technology will mean these groups will eventually abandon SImpleX.

“SimpleX is a communication network, rather than a service or a platform, where users can host their own servers, like in Open Web, so we were not aware that extremists have been using it,” says Poberezkin. “We never designed groups to be usable for more than 50 users and we’ve been really surprised to see them growing to the current sizes despite limited usability and performance. We do not think it is technically possible to create a social network of a meaningful size in the SimpleX network.”"
</end quote>

This is surprising because Evgeny told us that groups could scale by reducing the reliance on a single invite link, so anyone could enter via any group member or "super members".

In fact, even from his own tweets, just 2 days prior:

<quote>
"We agree that once group can scale, they will help growth."
</quote>
Source: https://xcancel.com/SimpleXChat/status/1841561127320199583#m

This is the danger of doing cypherpunk stuff, with government money venture capital and registered LLCs.  At the slightest push from the mainstream media, he changes his tune.

I like Evgeny.  He's a good guy.  And I DON'T blame him for trying to stop his company from being associated with bad actors.  But we need to be honest here, he's trying to have his cake and eat it too.  He wants to be a cypherpunk, but collect the paycheck of a corporation.

What he should have said to Wired is: "This technology is like the printing press.  It improves our lives and offers all of this freedom.  But once it's made, the inventor can't control what people say.  Do you really want to live in a world without the press, Wired?"


I mean it is still pretty relevant to the topic of using public nodes. Unless you're someone who plans on never broadcasting transactions.

But looks cool


What "buzzwords" were said?


Isn't BIP158 for querying a node without exposing all your addresses? I don't think it hides sender/amount/receiver from the public node when you broadcast the transaction does it?

Correct me if I'm wrong


Sure, ideally, but realistically the vast majority of users are not going to ever run a node. There are millions of Bitcoiners, yet only ~50,000 node runners at best. And the privacy implications are not as detrimental to Monero users for using a public node as they are for Bitcoin since amounts and receivers are still not visible to malicious nodes. Monero syncing is relatively fast even when using a public remote node, so not sure why it's so much slower for Bitcoin SP.

Cake and Silentium are the only wallets that I know of right now that have Silent Payments

Silent Payments also allow you to post a public address and still prevent third parties from knowing what addresses payments/donations are going to. It's essentially the Bitcoin version of Monero Stealth Addresses.


Bitcoin Silent Payment syncing is shit compared to Monero. Even after recent improvements. I attempted for the 3rd time to give it a chance. Extremely slow.


Privacy was one of the core goals of cypherpunks that predated and led up to the creation of Bitcoin

As for advantages of using Monero over cash...
-Can't use cash to transact instantly with anyone on the planet.
-Can't carry arbitrarily large amounts.
-More vulnerable to confiscation and theft.
-More difficult to verify authenticity on-the-fly.
-Issuance is centralized, unpredictable, and doesn't require PoW.
-Not as easily divisible (Need to carry specific denominations and change)
-Can't trustlessly exchange for crypto (no atomic swaps)
-Can't have multiple people with simultaneous ownership and control over the same cash (multisig)

note12acrktner7qftvhwnrnsgket3cgywk8dkrkmyfaq6rrlts2vfh5s33l9gh


Time to try out https://mostard.org (if you haven't already)


:monero:


I think it's just the trade-off of both designs. Haveno is decentralized, but requires a deposit. LocalMonero was convenient but easy to take down because it was centralized and operators were known.
I suggest just leaving the deposit on Haveno so you don't need to find some Monero every time you want to use it. And you can take it back any time you want anyway.

I think it would be cool if someone brought back something like LocalMonero, but Tor-only. That would at least make it harder to take down (maybe implement optional multi-sigs too?). It would just have to build trust with the community over time similar to DNMs. Would help those who need to get their first Monero for the deposit, or those who value the convenience more.


So, it looks like you already did it correctly. The "reto_public.asc" is what you should be verifying because the "Reto network" is that teams unique instance of Haveno. Woodser helps them out sometimes but isn't directly involved afaik. I think his keys were just carried over from Haveno when Reto forked it.

You can double check with Reto on their SimpleX group chat (link is on the reto website in downloads section), or ask Woodser/Haveno peeps on Matrix:
https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno?tab=readme-ov-file#keep-in-touch-and-help-out


https://x.com/Narodism/status/1841454533152485757
https://dark.fi/insights/the-coming-storm.html
https://github.com/darkrenaissance/darkfi/releases/


Agree that everything has trade-offs including building with layers. The state of Bitcoins current base cripples it's layers. We see this on lightning every time usage goes up even modestly.

That being said...

FCMP upgrade is just around the corner. Allows the ability for different layers on Monero. Encrypted base + offchain layers = super privacy


These political activists on Twitter and Reddit mouth off,

But if people were using PGP arbitration, Monero/lightning, Nostr/Bastyon, Arweave websites, YaCy search engines, Self-hosted emails & docs, Linux, and XMPP/SimpleX/Session, then:

What does it matter whose in charge?  Governments would have no way to control the population.  The printing money would be meaningless.

Given this technology already exists,

Then:
The main obstacle is cultural.

Therefore:
If you refuse to use freedom technology, or even worse try to haze it, you aid the oppressor in the war for our minds.


I dont know when you first tried using Haveno, but it is fairly simple now

https://haveno-reto.com/


:keks:


Bitcoin’s lack of privacy is not an accident & it’s not the result of negligence.

It’s a deliberate choice, as cowardly devs & sellout community members deliberately ignore a decade of research & experimentation.

This is why I’m making a magazine about privacy. To change the culture, remind readers that there’s still a chapter 10 in the Bitcoin whitepaper, and explain how we can learn from projects such as Monero, Zcash, Litecoin, Nym, Firo, Zano, and more.

I’m not doing this alone: more than a dozen of writers are joining me to explain to you why privacy is important, why you should desire it, and how you can currently use it.

I expect this magazine to get launched on time for nostr:npub1j0yy96lj8cye7wu9ycezudnng363ymtguwc0t97xvvw8xlss25jstf0hd9 next month. So stay tuned! And if you want to sponsor the project, DM me and you’ll get a full page ad.

Hope you like this front cover: it combines the origins of a popular meme with the realities of Bitcoin privacy. Pepe cheers for the pumper in chief, but surrenders his privacy and cypherpunk ethos for some NGU.

And before you jump at me and say that adding privacy to Bitcoin is premature and might lead to hidden inflation, remember that even Dandelion++ (a protocol which hides your wallet’s IP address from the rest of the network, which was built for BTC but adopted by Monero) is currently not part of the software client.

Think about it! And watch out for this magazine next month when it gets released! https://image.nostr.build/312bdc49fc9d54182da9c99f841b5710428c379d7c7d07ed5f6253da2492a80c.jpg


Currently I believe the Signal protocol and SimpleX messengers have quantum resistant encryption

Monero's privacy for amounts are quantum proof because it uses pedersen commitment which are "perfectly hiding". It's receiver privacy is also quantum proof if an adversary doesn't have access to the original address that was given to someone in person or over secure comms (adversary only has access to the blockchain)
https://docs.grin.mw/wiki/miscellaneous/switch-commitments/#properties-of-commitment-schemes

I've briefly heard Amir Taaki speak on quantum resistant "lattice-based" cryptography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice-based_cryptography


I made a Monero podcast that is 100% AI-Driven. I know, this is controversial, AI voices and content. But I had to do it :)

Listen to an episode:
https://pod.xmr.fan/pod/2024-9-4


Cyberpunk spirit on Bitcoin community is long gone it's barely recognizable, but it still lives on Monero privacy advocate communities. https://image.nostr.build/29b21fdb168741052061ed893e0df163a69f9aba13815e6c2e2537c38ab84422.jpg


Ah yes, ecash. It has the ruggable properties that Monero has been missing! 🥳

https://image.nostr.build/8023c863b312e96c929fa313c941ef8bd2e9d3fd74a28d53458bb50ba9ddd481.png


#cryptotips
Bitcoin, Privacy & World War 3: Is Monero The Real Answer?
https://video.nostr.build/b4e477d17949de4ead3bfda6c2c9b3af38c00a5a35b1804c79a5e0a1719d5f9d.mp4


Once #Monero will be delisted from all centralized exchanges, speculators will have left the game and only real users will remain. #XMR price will then mostly be a function of real usage 🚀.


Feb 2024: Binance delists #Monero, drops 30%

October 2024: Kraken Europe delists #Monero, drops 12%

Next will be Kraken US i bet. It will be interesting to see if it drops even less.


We wouldn't know for sure if Satoshi did. They were both nyms. But it's definitely plausible.

https://image.nostr.build/49dd5ccf9c9c1cd84f7361ca494b9121671de08fac993f56c2852045a4bb0cb3.png


>"Sim, onchain é público, todo mundo sabe disso. Estamos falando de lightning e liquid."

>"Todas as ferramentas que você precisa já existem no ecossistema bitcoin! (ONCHAIN, liquid e lightning)"

Não foi você, senhor?

Você pode não saber como a custódia lightning funciona. Os custodiantes da lightning podem ver tudo o que você faz, um terceiro pode. Isso significa que quando ocorre um vazamento acidental (o que acontece com muita frequência), hackers e governos têm acesso, eles também podem ver suas transações "privadas".

Seu gráfico prova meu ponto. Você disse: "Se você mantiver Monero em sua carteira por 2 dias, provavelmente já estará perdendo riqueza."

Olhe para 2022 em seu gráfico e podemos ver imediatamente que você está errado. Não dias, nem semanas, nem meses... mas um ano inteiro em que Monero superou o Bitcoin. Ninguém sabe qual será o preço em escalas de tempo curtas como essa.

O período mais recente em que o Monero superou o Bitcoin foi de abril a setembro de 2024 (5 meses seguidos). Aconteceu há menos de um mês. https://image.nostr.build/a915c119282488571e24e5f21d34581002fa9e323d7b31cd548a999b48f5b11e.png


Você pode ser capaz de ser anônimo no Coinos, mas não é privado se eles podem ver tudo o que acontece (e você não é realmente anônimo se eles têm seu endereço IP). Você é quem está misturando conceitos.

Se sua "privacidade" não é boa o suficiente para proteger "terroristas do Hamas", como sabemos que é boa o suficiente para proteger uma pessoa comum?

Além disso, escolha um argumento. Privacidade é boa ou ruim? Talvez você deva postar todos os seus extratos bancários e informações pessoais para que possamos ter certeza de que você não é um "terrorista". Um ataque tão idiota ao caráter.

Nem todos que usam Liquid e Lightning estão completamente protegidos. Na verdade, eu diria que a maioria não está. Este é um mal-entendido grosseiro e ingênuo da tecnologia de privacidade por trás de ambos. Talvez você devesse ler sobre como eles funcionam.


Cara, você parece não entender o ponto. Você pode ser privado do público em geral (nós), mas o custodiante Lightning que você está usando pode ver tudo o que você faz. Os governos podem ver tudo. Isso não é diferente da privacidade oferecida por um banco tradicional. Essas são as instituições com as quais você deveria se preocupar especialmente. Não nós.

Com o Monero, você tem privacidade do público em geral e não há "banco" ou "governo" que possa ver tudo o que você faz.


Kraken to delist #monero end of '24
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Monero é a única moeda que pode bater de frente com o estado, totalmente descentralizada, privada e escalável, rode seu node e minere via tor.
#xmr #monero


:monero:


Já expliquei os problemas com o Lightning acima

O Onchain definitivamente não é privado. É um blockchain transparente.

O Liquid esconde quantias, mas não o remetente ou destinatário. então tem um anonimato terrível, pois não tem um grande grupo de usuários para se esconder.

>"Se vc ficar 2 dias com monero na carteira, provavelmente já vai estar perdendo rirqueza."

Isso é facilmente provado errado. Talvez de uma perspectiva histórica de longo prazo você possa dizer isso, mas há anos inteiros em que o Monero supera o Bitcoin. Basta olhar para 2020 ou 2022. Você teria perdido dinheiro mantendo Bitcoin em vez de Monero naqueles anos.

O Coinos é custodiante, permissionado e pode vigiar tudo o que você faz na carteira deles...🤦♂


Bem, você está usando uma carteira relâmpago Coinos custodial em seu perfil. Não podemos ver nada, mas eles podem. Os governos também podem pressioná-los por essas informações. Como isso é diferente de um banco tradicional?


Isso está incorreto. Os pagamentos Lightning estão longe de serem indetectáveis. Eles são conhecidos por terem uma privacidade de receptor terrível, mesmo se você fizer tudo sozinho. Você também vaza informações quando os canais são abertos e fechados.

90-95% da rede usa custodiantes e LSPs para usar o Lightning, então, na realidade, a maioria dos usuários tem privacidade ainda pior do que a descrita acima, pois eles podem ver tudo o que você faz

Se você quer levar sua privacidade a sério e ter uma experiência direta, você deve usar o Monero


Sim. Andei estudando depois de ouvir muito falarem. Há muito preconceito envolvendo a monero por conta da falta de informação. Acabou que ela se tornou o que o bitcoin deveria ser segundo o whitepaper do Satoshi, um sistema de pagamentos p2p e hoje ele é tudo, menos isso (salvo raras exceções). Gosto de ambas, mas monero é a única que tem a privacidade na raiz do código.


the process of downloading the Monero GUI wallet, clicking to run a node from that wallet, then clicking to solo mine using that node, should be the envy of Bitcoin.


Kraken delists Monero in Europe due to regulations.

Any thing that offers privacy will be banned in Europe, a few days ago it was Lightning in Germany, today it is the turn of Monero at the European level.

This is Europe gentlemen, a totalitarian state.

https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/support-for-monero-xmr-in-europe


They can't ban them, and there are decentralized exchanges like bisq which currently has the highest volume of Monero.

But in short they are telling you that privacy is illegal, of course you don't have to comply with the law.


#DontRiskItBisqIt

Europeans already know the score

https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/support-for-monero-xmr-in-europe


Payment Censorship in the Lightning Network Despite Encrypted Communication

"In addition to the LN’s long known application-level centralisation,
recent work has highlighted its centralisation at the network-level which makes it vulnerable to
attacks on privacy by malicious actors. In this work, we explore the LN’s susceptibility to censorship
by a network-level actor such as a malicious autonomous system. We show that a network-level actor
can identify and censor all payments routed via their network by just examining the packet headers.
Our results indicate that it is viable to accurately identify LN messages despite the fact that all
inter-peer communication is end-to-end encrypted. Additionally, we describe how a network-level
observer can determine a node’s role in a payment path based on timing, direction of flow and
message type, and demonstrate the approach’s feasibility using experiments in a live instance of
the network."

https://drops.dagstuhl.de/storage/00lipics/lipics-vol316-aft2024/LIPIcs.AFT.2024.12/LIPIcs.AFT.2024.12.pdf


"Chain Analysis Monero Video" from Ungovernable Misfits "Samourai Wallet Reborn!? | THE BITCOIN BRIEF 41"

https://cdn.satellite.earth/1dc71baa8a6285dfcf2c8e4404b506dc02ad37c44f1b5330bea5e433c3180cb2.mp4

Listen on Fountain
https://fountain.fm/episode/1LHyrYHtktFqeg01FZnh


Did you watch the video yet?

TLDW; It starts off with the Chainalysis person in awe of how private Monero is

Then, despite the user connecting to a malicious Chainalysis node, it ends very anticlimactically with them saying the IP they attempted tying to a transaction was still not 100% certain. He throws caveats through the whole video: "might be the user" "no strong indications" "I don't feel confident" "we have to keep in mind that's just one possibility...we do not know with any certainty..." "not many bread crumbs to follow"

And they still have zero knowledge of the amount of Monero sent or who it was sent to.


Yes, and BasicSwapDEX uses https://github.com/h4sh3d/xmr-btc-atomic-swap

Not sure how Serai and Decred are going to do it


I use both lightning and Cashu. Each has unique advantages and disadvantages, so I can't call them a replacement for the others.

Yes, trustless swaps:
https://basicswapdex.com/
https://unstoppableswap.net/

Coming Soon:
https://serai.exchange/
https://github.com/decred/dcrdex

No-KYC fiat ramps:
https://haveno-reto.com/
https://bisq.network/
https://dex.robosats.com/
https://coinatmradar.com

Kraken, KuCoin, HodlHodl are centralized fiat ramps - KYC obviously


Cashu is custodial, Monero is not

Lightning is a UX nightmare for sovereign users, Monero is not

Not anywhere close to full replacements


"The good things of monero could be build on top bitcoin."

Patiently waiting 🕑💀


In other words the supply of a coin isnt all that matters

A coin can have less supply, but still be absolute garbage


You're holding two contradictory views at the same time. Does max supply matter or not?

Would take you 30 seconds to search and discover that Monero uses PoW just like Bitcoin. Walk me through how the "founder" would inflate supply.

Unless by that you mean they can mine like any other user?


"I know security teams always show their very newest videos so those trying to keep privacy can keep ahead of them"

I mean the video was leaked and attempts were made to scrub it everywhere.
We can speculate on just about anything like your comment above (i.e. Bitcoin private keys being crackable by some shadowy intel agencys secret super computer. If you're going to be consistent you should hesitate about owning Bitcoin then if we can make random claims with no evidence.)

The onus is on those making claims to show evidence for it. So far there is none.


I found a coin with even less supply than Bitcoin. If it's all about supply, here you go start stacking!

https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/42-coin


There are coins out there with a fixed supply of only 4 coins. I don't hear you rallying for them merely because of their "scarcer" supply.

Value is subjective (you would think this would be obvious to an ostensibly austrian econ crowd) and a function of demand. Demand is always changing. You can't fix demand.

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Scarcity-Fallacy
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Did you watch the video? Because it sounds like you didn't

Using a compromised node for any crypto will give them your IP address. Thats just a fact of how the internet works. Monero is not unique in that fact.

What is unique about Monero is that they still had no clue how much Monero was being sent and to whom *despite* a user transacting through a compromised Chainalysis node.
They couldn't even definitively determine if that IP address was the one that sent that transaction.


Ok, I agree with you and that was my point, it is definitely more nuanced than coin X went up or down


Now you're changing the argument from "can buy more stuff" to intraday volume and volatility 🥅

Which is kind of ironic considering those are the biggest arguments against Bitcoin from TradFi normies

Really? Everyone in crypto is cheerleading for something here, buddy. You just happen to be doing it entirely for Bitcoin. At least I don't think Monero is the one and only coin and second coming of christ


Post your Bitcoin xpub for ***U L T I M A T E   T R A N S P A R E N C Y***

Make you private keys public if you really want to be a transparent boss 🚬


I'm not buying anything. I'm just following your logic to it's conclusion to see if it makes sense to you.

Dogecoiners from 2020 and before can now buy more stuff than Bitcoiners can to this day. So according to your own argument you should start looking to get more Dogecoin.

This is why hyperfixation on price and trading pairs is dumb and leads to missing the bigger picture and entire value prop of Bitcoin. Especially when the whole ecosystem is hardly 15 years old. A baby.


They are usually no-KYC up to a limit depending where you live.
Click a machine, click "View Details", scroll down to "Limits and verifications".
Just give them a fake/burner/freshly created email, phone number, or name and pay with cash.
Plenty of websites allow you to do this like JuicySMS or TextVerified. There are some free ones too:

https://coinatmradar.com/


You can say the exact same thing about Bitcoin depending on when you bought it. It was at $18K hardly more than a year ago when you guys were all ready to off yourselves lmao


So time to dump Bitcoin and buy Dogecoin?

https://image.nostr.build/3742ce1f56ac5058803ffa11097bb6221d8101b424cbeace6f2fe0db619fc1bd.jpg


The average user isn't a nerd that wants to manage channels bro

"BUt they caN use An LsP OR CustOdIAN"

In other words, a reduction of privacy to the LSP/custodian and easy centralized target for feds to scare away or shutdown (i.e. Phoenix, WoS)


Another metric where Bitcoin is obviously losing adoption (and didn't have to) to stablecoins outside of western countries. Despite being (mostly) permissioned systems, stablecoins are still very useful and popular in Asia, Africa, and South America (majority of the world). Why is Bitcoin losing in all these different markets? It fell behind and didn't offer a helpful alternative for all these users. I still don't think Bitcoin is going anywhere, but it will continue losing in these areas if it doesn't provide any competitive alternatives. Potentially fatally over the long term.


The long term general trend on the first chart is Bitcoin losing dominance over time with the cryptocurrency market overall. Second one shows it being displaced on specific markets like the darknet (Bitcoins first use case and the only place your can transact without permission). Wouldn't be surprised if Monero has surpassed Bitcoin in the present since that is from 2021. Most DNMs have included Monero and a few of the largest markets have gone exclusively Monero since then.

Besides the darknet, here are a few recent metrics on Monero adoption and decentralization. Nodes count and distribution are in the same ballpark as Bitcoin. Mining can be argued to be more decentralized since nearly everyone has access to a general purpose computer. It doesn't require a specialized equipment:

https://monero.fail/map
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"DiosDelRayo has posted a fourth and final progress report for their CCS proposal to take over and finish the Monero Signer project"

https://monero.observer/diosdelrayo-completes-xmrsigner-ccs-proposal/


Hal Finney:

It seemed so obvious to me: "Here we are faced with the problems of loss of privacy, creeping computerization, massive databases, more centralization - and [David] Chaum offers a completely different direction to go in, one which puts power into the hands of individuals rather than governments and corporations. The computer can be used as a tool to liberate and protect people, rather than to control them."

Still one of my favorite quotes. https://m.primal.net/LCuE.jpg


You're intentionally conflating Monero from what it forked from (Monero didn't even exist). You know better, but despite the truth it's a convenient narrative for sure.


Let's just stop with this weird narrative. Bitcoin is crypto.

Satoshi called Bitcoin crypto. Satoshi even enjoyed other cryptos - he created Namecoin after all. He obviously didn't think Bitcoin would be the only one.

"But because Bitcoin is the first successful digital money, any crypto trying to be money, irrespective of its characteristics, cannot compete with Bitcoin’s established network effects" 👇

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