E as pessoas são livres para negociar moedas que os outros não gostam em um mercado livre

Você possui alguma dessas moedas fiduciárias de merda que os governos imprimem? Então você também é um shitcoiner


The real price of a cryptocurrency will be revealed once the state makes it illegal. Thus, monero's current price is far closer to its true price than the bitcoin's one is. Unless, of course, you believe that the state is willing to share its power over currency with you, because "we are the state" 😆


They can ban Bitcoin from white markets (or impose any arbitrary restrictions or artificial burden they want on it)

Bitcoins advantages are only constant and fully realized on black markets. But a little coin you may have heard of is taking over there...


Bitcoin is surveillable past, present, and future. It's also not inflation-bug-exploit proof.


Por que os maximalistas do Bitcoin sempre têm medo do livre mercado? Se você não gosta, não use.

Eles estão trabalhando na implementação do lightning, a propósito


Your favorite #Monero mobile wallet? Let's go 👇


nvm saw you said mobile


Phone or desktop/laptop?

https://featherwallet.org/


Block reward is transparent so you can literally count it up from genesis.
Or run a node.


@schmidt1024
#Banks
Trust us without verification.

#Bitcoin
Don't trust, verify.

#Monero
Don't trust, verify.
Nothing to see here.


I would. Use Bisq or Haveno preferably. Break into different amounts though not in a single trade.


Amazing panel at nostr:npub1j0yy96lj8cye7wu9ycezudnng363ymtguwc0t97xvvw8xlss25jstf0hd9, you get monero extra street creed points if you know who is who in this photo:
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Answer: Articmine, Justin Berman, Luke Parker, jeffro256, and Tuxsudo.


No I didn't. If you merely did what I said above you could easily be scammed. I would assume both parties are identifying themselves if they're making a transaction that large and getting contracts/lawyers/notaries (third parties) to confirm addresses to identities, but all that occurs off the blockchain.

Transparency does open you to attack. The difference is Monero is optionally transparent, only if you want it to be, and only for a specific transaction. Can't do much with just that. They still don't see your balances or who else you've transacted with. Bitcoin is always transparent and you're tying your identity to your history and future transactions that have nothing to do with those counterparties and third parties you're involving.


If you were able to monitor texts of some random phone number, you might not know their identities at this moment, but given enough time you would have enough info to figure it out. Who else they text, what time they text, the actual content of their texts, etc

Public transactions is an attack vector. Everyone you transact with can at least see partial balances, see where it came from, and follow it going forward. Even if you coinjoin every single transaction you have to forever maintain it. One future consolidation mistake undoes everything. Even bitcoin privacy wizard make mistakes.

99% of people aren't going to coinjoin let alone every transaction.


"Boltz Now Supports LNURL for Swaps" from Ungovernable Misfits "R.I.P. BITAXE | THE BITCOIN BRIEF 44"

https://cdn.satellite.earth/c99948755cb55baa954453ec7ddbccb6530bffc4b115cee018a9bd9ed2655dc2.mp4

Listen on Fountain
https://fountain.fm/episode/JcafeApxLpRjDPfeITCp


GM 🎧

https://fountain.fm/episode/jbdl627D9BbrFifzxja3


*because it is actually private and fungible

Monero could have smaller transaction sizes too if it wanted to be a surveillance blockchain


Btw seeing 5 Bitcoin move from one address to another proves nothing by itself. There's nothing on the blockchain that says "this proves it was for a house" or "this address belongs to the person selling me the house". Seller could simply say you didn't either: "Sorry, you mustve sent it to someone elses address by mistake. Tough luck."


Another hypothetical 🤷♂

It doesn't mean it won't always be smaller either.

One thing is for sure: It is smaller than bitcoin right now. So saying "its impossible for the average joe to mine it as it requires way too much data space" makes no sense (even ignoring the fact that you can still mine it without doing that using Gupax)


They're called viewkeys.

Monero is optionally transparent. That's how you would prove you sent the payment.


The bigger guns win. Why even invite that when you can completely avoid it unless necessary?


Are you kidding? Here is how

https://github.com/jlopp/physical-bitcoin-attacks/blob/master/README.md


"CockLi needs your support. Few bucks in Monero (XMR) will help them. Check their main page - cock.li for more info."
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Remaining PayPal subscriptions are being canceled in order to store less data about our customers.

https://mullvad.net/blog/remaining-paypal-subscriptions-are-being-canceled


Yea I'm talking about reality not hypotheticals. Monero has less transactions and it's blockchain is smaller.


You poor soul...don't tie your identity to your Bitcoin. Use a no-KYC DEX like Bisq, Robosats, Asgardex, etc.


"Joinstr App v0.1.1" from Ungovernable Misfits "R.I.P. BITAXE | THE BITCOIN BRIEF 44"

https://cdn.satellite.earth/ceb563a0929e6976cc42f0d95ec2d00b4947f402dbc828f0d89b7be9397f7020.mp4

Listen on Fountain
https://fountain.fm/episode/JcafeApxLpRjDPfeITCp


Damn it!!! 😂


You going to keep chimping out and getting all emotional or address anything that was actually said? There are Bitcoin maxis on here who actually have strong arguments. You're never one of them.


"These methods allow a network-level adversary to identify and censor payments in the Lightning Network"
https://xcancel.com/callebtc/status/1856679659523490046#m


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It's interesting that some bitcoiners hate monero so much.


Whats taxed?


Aftermath of the Canadian trucker protests. I misremembered though. It was actually his friend who was raided not him. Nonetheless Bitcoin keys were taken by the government.

He talks about what happened around 42:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGnOz7KlUbg


Payment apps are zero fees and "instant". Normies don't care about how long it takes to actually clear behind the scenes. They can still speculate and hodl Bitcoin for gains on exchanges.

You're right Bitcoin is better money than fiat in a fair fight. Obviously when you're playing in white markets it's not a fair fight. Everything is artificially dictated by the state. They can place burdensome capital gains taxes to reduce or nullify your Bitcoin gains and tax you when you transact with it too like they already do. Bitcoin advantages are only constant and fully realized on black markets.

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Mullvad accepts Monero. Make use of it!

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Monero has a smaller total blockchain size than Bitcoin so no clue what you're talking about. And you can even mine it using Gupax so you don't need to download the chain if you want.

Who cares what nation states think. The whole point is you can use Bitcoin/Monero without their permission.


Ecash doesn't remove trusted third parties

Liquid doesn't hide sender/reciever and has almost no anonymity set if you look at their mempool. Like one transaction per block if you're lucky.

Lightning seems to hold the most promise, especially if BOLT12 gains more adoption, but suffers from a lot of other UX problems. For instance, it requires you to run your own node for best transactional privacy, it leaks data on-chain, can be force closed, can lose your money if you're offline too long and via replacement cycling attacks, has an upper limit on amounts you can send, routing failures, etc


Can't use cash to transact instantly with anyone in the world


Mullvad seems to be the most well known and larger of the two I believe


I didn't know the last thing about about IVPN. Doesn't really bother me if Mullvad accepts BCH, as long as they offer a way to pay with Bitcoin/Monero. IVPN has less servers than Mullvad I think, but are legit, can speak from my own experience.


Yep, it does. FCMP also improves on this. Optional transparency is great and should be just like cash.


Why would you want to enable what Monero does if your claim is it enables "shameful things"?

Enuts is ruggable and less verifiable than Monero.
Lightning requires users to run their own nodes for full privacy and suffers from other disadvantages that Monero doesn't. You can't get stolen from on Monero for being offline for awhile or through replacement cycling attacks. Monero transactions also don't have an upper limit or routing failures.

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IMHO monero is wonderful ecash, (cash as in an immediate exchange vehicle) but a shitty asset as these things are quite different, which seems to be under appreciated in general.

Furthermore, I think bitcoiners and moneroeans(?) are mostly on the same team. I want to see more collaboration than shit-slinging personally.


What makes it a failure? It's used more than Bitcoin per capita
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Yes, IVPN and Mullvad are probably the only ones I would recommend.


PSA: Some of you use nostr without a VPN and that's very very very bad. You should use a VPN, at all times, on you're phone and on your computer, especially on nodtr. Treat it as a gift to yourself and get one now, I recommend Mullvad, don't get a random VPN that is likely to be infiltrated by the gov.


Just wanted to say MimbleWimble and Nano are very scalable blockchains. So not all blockchains. Although some may disagree with the tradeoffs they make.


Self-custody didn't help BTCSessions from the government kicking down his door and taking his keys. You need anonymity + privacy to have max resistance to confiscation.


It's just a tool. All tools can be used for bad things just like Bitcoin.

Comes with the territory if you want to have a permissionless neutral money. The only other option is a permissioned CBDC surveillance panopticon


I didn't make Nostr
I didn't make Linux
I didn't make GrapheneOS
I didn't make Tor
I didn't make VoIP
I didn't make Bitcoin
I didn't make Monero
I didn't make Arweave
I didn't make Session
I didn't make SimpleX
I didn't make XMPP

So when you shit talk, there are limits to what I can do.  But,

Tomorrow I'll begin posting about our team's original work.

There will be praise.  There will be criticism.  Either way, many critical issues will be solved, and if I can convince you to use it, we can both be part of the solution.


99.9% of people don't and won't use Bitcoin other than a speculative investment. Bitcoin transactions on white markets make little sense, since you're following the arbitrary rules of the state on there anyway, why no just use fiat for that? faster, cheaper, not taxed, no regulatory uncertainty, and much larger network effect.

It only makes sense when you want to make a transaction that breaks the rules and can't be stopped AKA free markets AKA black markets (doesn't necessarily mean immoral, just illegal for your jursidiction). And while you're making that transaction it only makes sense that you don't want the state to know who you are and what you're doing through anonymity and privacy.


If you study Bitcoins pre-origin history leading to it's creation, cypherpunks of old, it is very obvious that their north star was private, anonymous, untraceable money. It was a major goal, if not *the* goal. A proliferation of BOLT12 adoption will definitely make lightning better, but it still has many different disadvantages...even if Monero only exists to competitively push Bitcoiners to create more private payment layers that usurp it, that don't require trusted third parties, it's still a win imo

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Sim, há mais Bitcoiners. Não era esse o meu ponto. Estou dizendo que a comunidade Monero é bem grande aqui. Provavelmente a maior além do Bitcoin. E alguns desses Bitcoiners também usam Monero.


That's your perogative. Though it leaves me unconvinced unsurprisingly.

That quote applies to you just as equally. You're obviously strongly invested in the lightning network and have a bias as well.


Tirando o último parágrafo, concordo basicamente com tudo o que você está dizendo


So you say, but you didn't refute any of his arguments. In fact, by saying "areas of improvement" and "technical challenges" it sounds like you are conceding that it is all currently true


Last part is simply not true. There are ways to censor and steal from others on LN that don't exist at all on-chain (like being offline for extended periods or the recent replacement cycling attack)


Lightning isnt able to scale to global commerce though...

https://www.truthcoin.info/blog/lightning-limitations/


You can Monero "zap" already but requires using a different client

https://mostard.org/


1. Sim, mas tecnicamente Tor é apenas um protocolo também. O roteamento Onion não precisa necessariamente da internet para funcionar. E a criptografia é frequentemente usada para que a internet funcione. Veja o NIST, uma agência dos EUA que define padrões de criptografia em geral e para a maior parte da internet. O Bitcoin usa SHA-256, que se enquadra na família SHA-2, criada pela NSA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2#Applications
2. Ponto justo, mas não acho que isso necessariamente significa que eles podem controlá-lo ou subvertê-lo.
3. Isso geralmente não acontece quando um local físico é invadido pela polícia para que eles possam acessar fisicamente o computador do alvo ou suas credenciais? Mas ok, vou dar uma olhada.
4. Na verdade, eu uso alguns forks de software do Google que são de código aberto e voltados para a privacidade. O GrapheneOS é um deles. Estou dizendo que se o código for verificável e você estiver executando esse software, especialmente construído a partir do código-fonte, ele deixa menos espaço para subversão. Por que não torná-lo de código fechado? Por que dificultar que eles façam seu trabalho?
5. Se isso fosse verdade, todos os operadores do mercado darknet e seus fornecedores seriam presos imediatamente. O bloqueio da China é sobre censurar conexões identificáveis ou suspeitas, não 0-days. A esteganografia é um jogo de gato e rato, e é por isso que o Tor agora tem uma nova maneira de contornar essa censura com algo chamado "webtunnel"
https://blog.torproject.org/introducing-webtunnel-evading-censorship-by-hiding-in-plain-sight/


Há uma comunidade bastante grande de usuários de Monero no Nostr. E muitos deles também se sobrepõem à comunidade Bitcoin. Você só precisa estar em uma bolha, sem ofensa

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Não dê ouvidos a esse cara. O Liquid não esconde o remetente ou destinatário. O Monero sim. O Liquid também não tem uma multidão para se esconder atrás porque ninguém o usa. Basta olhar para o mempool deles: liquid.network

Se você precisa de privacidade séria, use o Monero


So you're telling me Liquid had the name recognition with Bitcoin and this huge headstart...and Monero *still* outpaced it in every way, like hiding senders/receivers, implementing network level obfuscation, and growing a massive anonymity set vs the graveyard that is Liquids mempool

The market has spoken. No one that wants private transactions uses Liquid. No one uses Liquid for anything, period.

liquid.network


1 - A internet e os padrões modernos de criptografia que você usa o tempo todo também foram criados pelos Estados Unidos
2 - Veja acima
3 - O que você quer dizer? Como?
4 - Qualquer um pode executar um relay e o projeto é FOSS, então não tenho certeza do que você quer dizer
5 - Em certos casos extremos, com atores direcionados e ataques sofisticados, é claro. Eu nunca diria que é perfeito.

Tópico um tanto relacionado: Você conhece o Nym mixnet? E se sim, qual é sua opinião sobre ele?

https://nymtech.net/about/mixnet


Qual é o seu problema com o Tor? Sei que ele não é perfeito e tem seus próprios problemas, mas é a melhor alternativa realista até agora. Talvez o I2P ou alguma outra mixnet seja melhor? Acredito que o I2P está sendo integrado.

Se ao menos a CIA usasse o Tor, seria inútil para eles, não é? Eles precisam de uma multidão para se esconder atrás de suas operações obscuras também.

Além disso, o Monero não é completamente dependente do Tor. O Dandelion++ esconde a origem da transação de outros nós na rede e isso não tem nada a ver com o Tor.


And even where you can technically exit, it only makes sense if the amount is significantly greater than onchain fees. Fees will have to continue rising with more adoption, usage, and a decreasing block reward. In practice those users won't be able to exit.
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1. Banks want to keep you using banks

2. Keeping Bitcoin blocks small, makes Layer 1 unusable as real world cash

3. Non-Custodial Layer 2 is complex, the average person won't do it or pay for it

4. Custodial Layer 2 is the new Banking

5. Fiat Banks and insurance companies funded Blockstream.

6. Bitcoin Core devs also worked for Blockstream, which sells layer 2 solutions.  That's a conflict of interest, they are solving the problem they create with the "small block" routine.

7. By having Maxis do the shitcoin routine on good alternatives, it forces the unrealistic solution of self-host Layer-2 hot wallets with a 1k minimum to play... or use bank custodial accounts.

8. Keeping the blocks small does NOT decentralize it, as lightning routes only work with large players acting as facilitators.  And you can't even receive lightning unless you've already got funded channels.  This is literally inequality: You need money to get money.

Therefore,
Nobody uses Bitcoin in the Real World.  And Banks win.

What part of this are you disputing?


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The block size is fine for now, but needs to scale with adoption and better technology.

Without the ability to conduct bank runs, custodians are free to fractionally reserve Bitcoin.

I'm not suggesting to give up on Bitcoin and go all in on monero, but it has a place to challenge complacency and force Bitcoin to be competitive.

The optimistic game theory for Bitcoin is that nation states will preference Bitcoin and suppress privacy coins. Once Bitcoin grows it will strangle the money printer and diminish the power of nation states. The powerful are then the wealth, who will desire privacy to avoid popular uprisings.

The wealthy will desire the rest to be dependent on their banks and resist attempts to increase the block size. The block size could be increased by the majority of nodes and miners reaching consensus, but with a small block reward keeping mining from being profitable, mining could be captured by bankers who run it at a loss to control the network.

This could be Moneros advantage. Tail emissions keep mining profitable. Variable block sizes allow increased transaction throughput allowing bankruns on any custodian. Without a large custodian control the incentives between miners and users are stronger.

Moneros future is to keep Bitcoin accountable. If Bitcoin gets captured and used as a weapon of control, monero will grow as the coin of the people. By the time Bitcoin reacts, it may be too late.

I'm buying Bitcoin for me and some monero for my grandkids.


Não entendi. O que há de tão irônico no site clearnet do Monero? Não tem relação com a privacidade das transações reais do Monero.

E aqui está se você quiser visitar o site via Tor:
monerotoruzizulg5ttgat2emf4d6fbmiea25detrmmy7erypseyteyd.onion


As Bitcoin becomes more and more a part of the system it was designed to overthrow—because people would rather see 'money go up' than stick to its original cypherpunk manifesto and bake in privacy at a protocol level (as Snowden has been cautioning the devs to do for years).

Similar to election cycle gas price manipulation, I am confident that this ATH bull run was not an accident.

I am reminded of the parade scene from Batman, where the Joker attempts to lure the citizens of Gotham by throwing money at them in a sinister plot, just before he gasses everyone.

https://file.nostrmedia.com/p/4eb88310d6b4ed95c6d66a395b3d3cf559b85faec8f7691dafd405a92e055d6d/cfe016cd1d300dfe3adac4cc42ee7d01e2686d1dd98b6771f5db5137296bcf1f.mp4

Don't get me wrong, I am a Bitcoiner. It has proven to be an historically well performing commodity/asset, and has certainly been a benefit (mostly on an individual level) in countries with high inflation or unstable currencies.

However, I have the awareness to see what is happening—and I am not alone in this sentiment—which is why I also believe in and USE #Monero—a true privacy-focused digital CURRENCY.


Liquid doesn't hide sender/receiver and it's anonymity set is abysmal

https://liquid.network/


Justo


Tudo tem desvantagens, incluindo Bitcoin. Você parece inteligente, e eu sei que você sabe disso, então eu acho que você está apenas preso à ideologia e sendo desonesto.


-Avid Monero bro

😉


- worked on the apollo missions
- killed his dad
- started mcafee software
- forbes top 100
- presidential candidate
- wanted in 3 countries
- survived 50+ assassination attempts
- married a prostitute who was hired to kill him
- behind edward snowden
- bitcoin billionaire
- hacked hillary clinton’s office by sending her staff free computers
- killed a few people in belize
- lived on a boat in the caribbean sea with armed guards
- never paid income tax because he blackmails the us gov
- escaped captivity in guatemala by faking a heart attack
- committed suicide in a spanish prison
- may still be alive

https://m.primal.net/LzhN.jpg


On GrapheneOS

Mullvad VPN
Orbot in power mode
Amethyst over tor using Orbot


It would be useful if the airplane mode toggle required authentication in GrapheneOS.


No, but it has it's own advantages over other crypto. You already mentioned one, privacy, but there are others like stronger fungibility, mining censorship resistance, and very low fees.

I'll send you some to play around with if you'd like and places to spend it. Just post a Monero address


Eu também nunca conheci um maximalista de martelo ou chave de fenda 🤷♂

Qualquer pessoa mart ou honesta sabe que cada ferramenta tem uma vantagem


Realizing that I screwed up this explanation

The Eve-> Alice -> Eve attack I describe is always possible and has nothing to do with a malicious node>
That is to say
if the person you receive the Monero from and the person you send it to are colluding
they can eliminate the decoys in the ring signatures and see the true outputs

The danger with a malicious node is just that if you connect to broadcast a tx without hiding your IP somehow they can see that IP sent that transaction.
Which is usually true with other chains anyway
but Monero uses dandelion which prevents knowing what node broadcasted what transaction in most cases

🙇


Snapshot 2024-11-10

Monero Nodes:
12535
(Source: monero.fail)

Bitcoin Nodes:
18863
(Source: bitnodes.io)


Of course. Imo the criticism is more towards the tunnel vision and obsession with price at the expense of all else, like the only thing that makes Bitcoin special to begin with (removing trusted third parties), by a growing community within Bitcoin.


Bitcoin rises on Trump

Bitcoin fell on Samourai wallet devs being jailed

Bitcoin rose on BlackRock ETF

Bitcoin fell on SEC crackdowns

Monero remains the same

We all agree value is subjective, but be careful who is doing the deciding


Dave talked about Ross the day after the election. Great show about where that came from. #FreeRoss

(Wish

(Wish he had zaps)

https://fountain.fm/episode/5WzBOcjVcDa4ieT2vhIU


Tested various other approaches for this lightning-to-Monero payment bridge & shortlisted two for the project: one for the initial release and another for the long term.

1. Fixedfloat: This is the simplest option to implement, with direct support for BTC-LN/XMR pairs, decent swap speeds, and a user experience that aligns well with expectations.

Con: It relies on the Fixedfloat DEX API. While this is a decentralized exchange, this API reliance still introduces a single point of failure.

2. Atomic Swap: This enables a truly decentralized swap between Bitcoin and Monero, functioning in a peer-to-peer manner without any intermediaries or third-party APIs.

Unlike Fixedfloat, however, it’s more complex, requiring a solid understanding and running nodes for both the Lightning network and Monero blockchain. But once set up, Atomic Swap becomes a far superior option.

I already have a working version of the Fixedfloat implementation, so I'll release an initial version soon for testing.

Atomic Swap is my real focus it will take some time to learn and implement, but it’s the solution I want in the long run, and I plan for it to eventually replace Fixedfloat entirely.

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"9. We don't need privacy! That's asking for trouble! 🤡

Bitcoin must have some subversive element – or else it will go to zero.

This is not a matter of preference – it’s the cold calculated reality of comparative advantage. Venmo / WeChatPay, CBDCs – these have the upper hand when it comes to compliance. They have the upper hand in tech as well (“blockchain” is very inefficient, compared to the databases used by Venmo et al). Bitcoin cannot compete with them, unless it has some “edge” that they lack."

-Paul Sztorc


I should also correct myself for anyone reading this. Monero anonymity set of all it's users only applies to receivers right now. But FCMP will put sender privacy at the same level eventually.


"Larger amounts most likely have less good privacy properties, due to their token denominations being rare. Cashu uses fixed (power-of-2) token denominations to create a hide-in-the-crowd effect. But the larger a token gets, the more likely it is that fewer and fewer of them exists, and at some point there is no crowd to hide anymore. If there is only one token of a specific denomination, it can always be linked back to its creation."

https://docs.cashu.space/faq


LocalSend

lets you connect directly over your local Wi-Fi network with full E2E encryption. No internet, no tracking, no ads—just private, seamless transfers.

For Android, iOS, Linux, macOS, and Windows

https://localsend.org/
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New Robosats release v0.7.2-alpha

First step to client Nostrification!

*What's New*

- Nostr order books
- Recovery robot form improved
- Fast generate robot -> fast generate order
- Many small bug fixes
- Add coordinator Alias to invoice description

https://github.com/RoboSats/robosats/releases/tag/v0.7.2-alpha


Yes


The new Haveno site is looking nice 👀

https://haveno.com/


You can also use periodic turnstiles too. Not sure if that is better or worse though, since it would potentially screw honest users if bad actors get through first, but would definitely guarantee sound supply if thats what was truly desired I guess? But it's an option

I too think a supply bug would eventually be discovered either indirectly through severely negative price action, devs/honest users finding it eventually themselves and reporting it, and malicious actors telling their friends and so on. The old saying that two people can only keep a secret if the other is dead. People cant help running their mouth.

Nothing can be done about the aftermath of a supply bug that is taken advantage of whether it's Bitcoin or Monero. Your only option to fix it requires having to screw over people who gave away real goods and services for "fake coins". Or leave the fake coins in the supply. Either thing does damage to users. The only advantage Bitcoin has is potentially finding it sooner. The 2018 Bitcoin double spend bug was not caught via noderunners. A single honest anon secretly reported it to devs.


Then wouldn't it make sense to increase the cost/difficulty via the best possible privacy so that further shrinks the pool of users they can realistically go after?

I think ecash is neat, it's the best form of custodial so far, and use it too for zaps on here, but it gives away one of the core attributes of Bitcoin (doesn't remove trusted third parties) so I don't think it's usecase replaces Monero. Even Calle the creator of Cashu has said the same thing.

What I meant was Monero has a global anonset of all users it's users, while ecash will always be smaller since it fractures by the nature of being split among many different mints. Additionally, the anonset is further split inside each mint since token values have their own anonset buckets (1,2,4,8,16,32, etc). Yes, I believe its called multi-mint payments. I don't think it's out yet either. Definitely another improvement.


"R.I.P. BITAXE" from Ungovernable Misfits "R.I.P. BITAXE | THE BITCOIN BRIEF 44"

https://cdn.satellite.earth/c73455260b681eb5a48723f703c068665299a53ac92644fb8a1b26915e4873fb.mp4

Listen on Fountain
https://fountain.fm/episode/JcafeApxLpRjDPfeITCp


Did you get my zap comment? Testing if it worked


Bitcoin/Monero can't replace the dollar or any national currency for it's citizens. All white markets transactions are controlled by the arbitrary rules of the state (which can artificially offset any gains or inflict burdensome economic costs via taxes/regulations/capital controls that handicap it). Bitcoin won't change that. It's advantage only manifests as between distrustful nation states and black markets.


>"if the FBI or other 3 letter agencies want to find out all your financial activity they'll probably be able to no matter the source of money you're using."

Then why are you trying to attain privacy at all if you believe this?
Unnannounced channesl ironically gives up plausible deniability and doesn't offer you privacy from your counter party
Ecash anonset is fractured between mints and is custodial, so you introduce the ability to get rugged, fractionally reserved, or shotgun KYC'd
Everything else you listed like Silent Payments only solve part of the problem (receiver privacy - and is less effective without the others). It's a mishmash with no comprehensive solution.


Technically true, but upcoming FCMP upgrade will bring Monero to par with Zcash privacy


Roman Sterlingov, the alleged operator of the Bitcoin mixer Bitcoin Fog, has just been sentenced to 12.5 years in prison.

The government is now seizing the little Bitcoin he has left (hint hint that's how your strategic bitcoin reserve gets built), while the Billions of Dollars he allegedly made operating Bitcoin Fog continue to remain unaccounted for.

Here's a primer on the wild story of his prosecution and why it shook the chain analysis space – full story coming when more info on the sentencing is available.

https://m.primal.net/LxGX.png
https://www.therage.co/bitcoin-fog-sentencing/


Here is a few quotes from Mises and Rothbard about the necessary quality of money. Hint: Its not store of value
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https://image.nostr.build/ccf181ed168942446d16535fa01942fcb9f471b7b689c9d9f8d12839df0b629c.jpg
https://image.nostr.build/18459d728b1bbad4099cbb2f4980c06c22d12274dd46812fa098daf0fa16cca0.jpg
https://image.nostr.build/0f0150dfab9b18705528d59b928e44fada6843c483f95cb5f4717ffb91140f85.jpg


No, asymptotically ideal money is a concept from John Nash - famous for the often touted term "game theory" that Bitcoin maxis always use

You can never avoid the tx fees completely for Bitcoin even with an L2 (force-closes and eventual settlement) that will always translate into the cost of the L2. You can compare them if you want, but an L2 can never be a full replacement for Monero because they have different advantages and disadvantages. An encrypted chain + L2 will also always be better for privacy, fungibility, and mining censorship resistance.

You act like everyone is using Bitcoin. We're all in a niche within a niche bubble. At least Monero is dominating darknet markets, the only place permissionless transactions are possible, the only place relevant for Bitcoins value prop. All white market transactions are permissioned by definition - the majority of the economic activity in Bitcoin - white market txs are no different to fiat since you must follow the same arbitrary state rules anyway (and taxes can easily offset your gains). In fact it is worse since it is slower, more expensive, less convenient, and smaller network effect than fiat. You give up Bitcoins only advantage there.

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Permissionless-Principle


I understand how the halving works. I was just saying currently ~19.7 million BTC is still less than 21 million BTC. Bitcoin is still technically inflating until ~2140
Yes, Bitcoin will eventually have less/no inflation to Monero, but Monero's inflation as a % of total supply is always decreasing. Blockchains need to pay miners in some way or it doesn't work . You can pay them with inflation, tx fees, or a mix. Depending on tx fees to secure the chain, along with a fixed blocksize, leads to ridiculously unusable fees when it is even moderately used (see $100+ tx fees earlier this year - will get worse the more it is used). It's a trade-off.

>"Monero’s rate of inflation is similar to gold, but that means it is not as good of a store of value as bitcoin. "
The same thing that supposedly makes Bitcoin a better store of value arguably makes it a worse money:
Gold/Monero tail emission + periodically lost/burned coins = reality: roughly stable supply = asymptotically ideal money
Bitcoin fixed supply + periodically lost/burned coins = reality: constantly decreasing supply = incentivized never to use (more analagous to a digital asset)

'Such expectancy creates reluctance for bitcoin investors (hodlers) to spend their bitcoin, since they believe it a sensible probability they’ll be surrendering future growth in doing so.'

>"Blockchain transparency is a feature, not a bug. Bitcoin is superior in every way."
Depends, superior for what ends? Definitely not superior for privacy, fungibility, and targeted mining censorship.

>"How does buying Monero with a debit card offer any more security than transacting on a Bitcoin L2 that mimics Monero?"
You don't necessarily need a debit card to get Money. You can work for it, sell goods for it, or buy it with cash. Those transacations have to eventually settle on-chain at some point. A liability for whoever is managing those channels. They can also be force-closed against their will leaking data on chain.

It's kind of apples and oranges to compare a blockchain to an L2 anyway since they have different advantages. Would be more analogous to compare an eventual Monero L2 to a Bitcoin L2.


Iirc roughly sometime mid/late next year. Will be more concrete the closer it gets of course.


https://www.getmonero.org/2024/04/27/fcmps.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tw5VJNynfw


What does that have to do with inflation? But sure, whenever that happens I'll re-evaluate.

Bitcoin + L2 will never be as private as Monero + L2 since the basechain can still leak data. FCMP brings L2s to Monero.


Politics are everywhere. You can't stop it especially in an open system.


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All value is subjective

Before you didn't have the option to NOT use custodians and ask permission with electronic payments. Now you do.


As if criminals and terrorists don't use Bitcoin, or almost everything that exists.

Why are you using the internet? Don't you know criminals and terrorists use that too? 😱


Even if what you're saying is true gold was THE money for most of human history and you still can't verify the supply. So obviously that didn't matter for money - only that it was scarce and you couldn't arbitrarily print it


⚠WARNING⚠ "AIoha" Haveno network. Shady hotheads.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/s/RoWcH9TilW

#xmr #monero #haveno #p2p


This is the only #hardwareWallet you need, the rest is expensively unnecessary. And it’s valid for #bitcoin and #monero
https://m.primal.net/LwsV.jpg


In a recent discussion, crypto enthusiasts expressed their appreciation for Bitcoin and Monero, highlighting their unique roles in the crypto landscape. Bitcoin is seen as a robust store of value, while Monero is favored for private transactions, showcasing the potential for coexistence within the cryptocurrency ecosystem. #Bitcoin #studybitcoin


This is how separating money from the state looks like:

Monero Delistings
👇🏻
2024 Oct - Bit2Me (global)
2024 Oct - Kraken (EU)
2024 Jul - Kraken (Germany)
2024 Jun - Kraken (Ireland, Belgium)
2024 May - LocalMonero shut down
2024 Feb - Binance (global)
2024 Jan - OKX (global)
2022 Sep - Huobi (global)
2021 Nov - Kraken (UK)
2021 Jan - Bittrex (global)
2020 Nov - ShapeShift (global)
2020 Aug - Coinspot [AU]


Sounds based


FCMP++ upgrade will open up L2 designs for Monero. A lot of work is being put into it by Luke Parker. Should be out sometime next year.


Wanted to like it, but last commit was 3 months ago. It is WAY behind Amethyst now. Check out Mostard, you can use it on your phone too.


Lightning to Monero Payment Bridge

Seamlessly transfer funds from your Lightning wallet to a Monero wallet.

Simply enter the recipient’s Monero address. A Lightning invoice will be generated.

Once paid, the received sats will be automatically converted and sent to the recipient’s Monero wallet.

Thoughts?
https://video.nostr.build/2baf8a37e1fe4664fd1cfdc6937ce51e3af6a72e3453250d6b4c012f05970fd0.mp4


Looks useful. Where can I find this?


Yes, it's a better form of custodial use, but obviously that means it isnt a full replacement for Monero


Ecash is custodial so it's not a full replacement for Monero.

Ecash also has a major catch-22: Public mint runners are potentially more trustworthy but easier targets for the state to shutdown (and would be considered money transmitters). Anon mint runners are more diffcult for the state to shutdown, but can rug it's users with little to no consequence.


Ecash: custodial

Liquid: doesn't hide sender or receiver

Lightning: Chock-full or UX issues which is why the average lightning user goes with custodial options or permissioned LSPs like Phoenix


Legit criticisms of Monero in comparison to Bitcoin: uncapped total supply, potentially undetectable inflation bugs, smaller community, smaller liquidity, more difficult to acquire, easier to attack, large tx sizes so the chain grows far quicker and potentially harder to run nodes (there are also counter arguments for all of these)

vs Lightning: Not instant, not as cheap, it's blockchain is a public global ledger that is forever (FCMP upgrade will change this)

vs other privacy tech: Although ring signatures have worked well enough so far, they aren't good enough for edge cases and in the longrun (FCMP upgrade will change this)


Transacting privately on a transparent bockchain is impossible

Maybe you mean anonymously, which is a different thing


Outside of Bitcoin, Monero is the only crypto coin I have a real soft spot for. I don't want it to fail—they’re at least trying to solve a genuine problem.

I also think Bitcoin and Monero can coexist well. Each serves a distinct purpose: Bitcoin as an ultra-sound store of value, and Monero for quick, private transactions.

Also, if you don’t mind, feel free to share your biggest criticisms of Monero. I’d love to hear them.
#AskNostr #Bitcoin #Monero


Monero is less inflationary than Bitcoin right now...less circulating supply too

lmao


What a shame

I switched to Addy.io couple years ago they let you pay with Monero directly. I didn't like how Proton and Simplelogin were "consolidating" either...


A maioria das carteiras ou projetos Monero tem Tor integrado

O que é que está a falar?


https://image.nostr.build/632cf319210df5667d0ee214816403eb744073c7f98ae619bf69ae05b1ed8b16.jpg

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Blockchains require paying miners. Without that incentive they don't work. Alternatively you can have no block reward and hope tx fees are enough to make up for it. But even if you succeed with that you eventually end up with something like below. This is only a small taste of Bitcoins future:
 https://image.nostr.build/9f76e4c0f830601c97c152d2b5336ab3a18630c758d0a4ae48b454c08199af30.jpg


Hackers Demand $125K in French Bread in Crypto Ransomware Attack

A ransomware gang insists on being paid with $125,000 worth of baguettes, though reportedly the hackers would be happy with Monero too.

https://img.decrypt.co/insecure/rs:fill:1024:512:1:0/plain/https://cdn.decrypt.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Ransomware-gID_7.jpg@png

https://decrypt.co/290728/hackers-demand-125k-french-bread-crypto-ransomware-attack


In which Amir says he tell his friends disenchanted with Bitcoin
"come home to #Monero"

and gets excited about Moneros full chain membership proof upgrade to provide "perfect privacy" (coming soon™)

nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzp7v96vy3jlyqtct3n3e3sk6hflp7usra0sdkz477axwx4n39nxamqyt8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytncd4ezuun0vd4hxtcqypxz5nztnwyl24vlpew8upt5hj9r8zj6rd3t4jmt6j9wy9x82ezvz6c6tqf


Reto just announced that they will remove trade fees and add #USDT with the next update. #monero #xmr #p2p #decentralization #reto
 https://image.nostr.build/abd2748c76a13d6bc5241364b66274c63589e4e3bd26d030b231fc858ebb25ea.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1gku3gl/reto_just_announced_that_they_will_remove_trade/


No vi nada sobre el precio en el documento técnico de Bitcoin


GM,

Some progress on #xmrsigner for #Monero

Thanks to the dev team!🔥

https://xmrsigner.github.io/docs/


Yep, gold, cash, and crypto each have their own advantages. Use what makes sense for your situation.


A teoria subjetiva do valor é mutuamente exclusiva da ideia de que o suprimento fixo sempre será uma reserva de valor

Se esse fosse o caso, "42-coin" ou "Nano" seriam mais valiosos do que o Bitcoin. Um tem menos suprimento fixo. O outro não tem inflação, enquanto o Bitcoin ainda tem inflação tecnicamente a cada bloco. Obviamente, outros fatores estão envolvidos.

https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/42-coin
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/nano


Eu uso ambos. Mas o resultado natural do Bitcoin é que quase ninguém o usará privadamente se não for padronizado e exigir que você gaste tempo, dinheiro e energia mental extras para isso. O dinheiro deve simplesmente funcionar.

A emissão de ouro é um recurso imprevisível, como você diz, enquanto o Monero é previsível (0,6 XMR por bloco)

Justo, companheiro


Com Silent Payments, sua outra parte também sabe o que você fará com esse pagamento no futuro. Em outras palavras, eles podem se envolver em suas transações futuras que não têm nada a ver com eles.


É parcial porque não é anonimato verdadeiro. É pseudonimato.


Isso é ridículo de se dizer. O Silent Payments emula apenas 1 das 3 partes da tecnologia de privacidade do Moneros (privacidade do destinatário - e é menos eficaz sem as outras duas)

O Bitcoin ainda não tem Valores Confidenciais para ocultar valores (não apenas ofuscar) e privacidade do remetente.


A mineração de Bitcoin tende para economias de escala da mesma forma que está a descrever. É por isso que isto é feito de forma mais eficaz em grandes locais de mineração de armazéns corporativos (que, aliás, são facilmente alvo do governo).

As diferenças são que, uma vez que uma entidade maliciosa como um governo obtém hashrate suficiente, é mais provável que o mantenha, uma vez que os ASICs são escassos.

Também é mais fácil ficar fora do radar com a mineração de Monero, uma vez que é de uso geral e não há nada suspeito sobre isso. Comprar um ASIC torna-o um alvo óbvio, todos sabem porque o está a comprar. O consumo de energia, o ruído e o calor são também grandes sinais de alerta.

"Police raid a concealed #Bitcoin mining operation, initially mistaking it for an illegal marijuana farm due to the heat signature"
https://twitter.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/1721359382745874489


Você sabe quais outras propriedades o dinheiro teve ao longo da história humana? Privacidade e fungibilidade. O Bitcoin não tem ambas.

O ouro serviu bem à humanidade como dinheiro por milhares de anos e continua a ser minerado até hoje. Um suprimento fixo não é necessário nem garantido que seja mais valioso.

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Scarcity-Fallacy


Great now you can finally stfu for another 4 years
https://image.nostr.build/11bd67ccb21d6391d64830a216a011fc36515cd728518c5f25a31b4467b5fe26.png


I use Mullvad too. I'm just saying Nym has a lot of potential.

https://nymtech.net/about/mixnet
https://nymtech.net/about/zk-nyms


Only took 15 years to achieve 1 out of 3 aspects of Moneros privacy, but I believe in you guys. Maybe in another 15 years you'll get to Confidential Transactions.

Make Bitcoin Monero Again


Nevermind, figrued it out!


Tried that and a few other ways too. It's not working for me either. Just a heads up.

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They can abolish cash.

But they can't abolish Monero.


They have a Youtube channel and did a few Monero-related videos recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWMoE7kDE14


New Amir Taaki interview on a pod Ive never heard of.

The guy is brilliant and completely right on in everything he says.
10/10 no notes

its the 720p version
https://v.nostr.build/L7ek0UVCjMY2yg0m.mp4
#monero
#freedom
#bitcoin


"CPU based ASIC" is an oxymoron and you are just a normal moron.

But you're free to break RandomX and make a lot of money you can swap for Bitcoin at any time if you think it is that easy.

https://image.nostr.build/6d55283c174b3d540571b65ce8b4b95522b5d0e8ccf1d3e81051a721dc4f7732.jpg
 https://image.nostr.build/36e0242587a802d1c66ef0647991a7a97b861207533bdb3b1d733ebe6c1965d1.jpg


don’t let the election circus distract you from the fact that

zcash & monero are pumping

while bitcoin is dumping


I too agree that most people, even when given the option, will choose not to actually hold/use Bitcoin. Like you said, most people aren't needed for radical change.

But it is also true that until it is in your possession through self-custody, or ability to unilaterally enforce, it's not Bitcoin. It's an IOU with the name "Bitcoin" attached to it. Nothing is special about an ETF or custodial solutions. Thats just normal traditional finance that we already had before Bitcoin.

Defeats the entire purpose for Bitcoins creation - getting rid of trusted third parties. Nothing is special about Bitcoin without that.


A custodian *can* debase their users Bitcoin

You remove all the guarantees Bitcoin offers and can't restrict money printing without self-custody

Just take it to the logical conclusion. If everyone used a custodian, why wouldn't they be able to print more? They're just IOUs after all


What's the point in a #Monero local node? https://kewbit.org/whats-the-point-in-a-monero-local-node/


Who? Mullvad and IVPN definitely do not.

Nymtech?
Use a burner email 🤷♂


You didn't even read the title of the article YOU linked?

"Leaked Chainalysis video suggests Monero transactions may be traceable"

🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂


This one maybe? Not sure tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouo7Q6Cf_yc


Someone didn't watch the video 😂

Monkey brain fall for clickbait 🐒


2018

Desperately scouring the web for outdated articles? Lul


Yea, Amir is an OG, one of the first to try and get privacy into Bitcoin, and a big Monero advocate. His project DarkFi is interesting too.


You mean useful for their own operations? Sure. But I meant for compromising others.

Encryption definitely had and still has heavy government involvement. In fact, they were the first ones to make major use of "modern" encryption during WWII. It has a long history of government involvement and creation stretching very far back. For current examples look at NIST. They're a government agency that sets standards that are widely used. You mean armor piercing rounds? There is almost no difference between the government issued M14 and AR15s, but now were getting lost in the weeds...


You can literally sum up every single block reward since the creation of Monero. It's very simple math for that part.

For bulletproofs and commitment, yes, it does take a higher level of math, but it's still verifiable.

You can't say the same thing for the current state of voting at all regardless of your level of math (that's assuming you think voting is morally legititmate to begin with i.e. a group of rapists or theives could just out vote their victim)

People like to throw around blockchains as the solution for everything, but it definitely could improve this area. Make it open source, throw in ZK proofs to hide who you are and who you voted for, while still making it verifiable that your vote was counted in the final result, and total number of votes cast for each candidate. It would have to require KYC/ID and would still have problems. But it could definitely be much better.


Oh, I thought you were joking about the Mossad comment. I see now that your are serious...

1. What makes you think it is a "deep state project" and where is the evidence since you are the one making the claim? Why are you using Nostr if it is a "deep state project"?
2. I'm not saying Tor is perfect, I'm saying it is better than current alternatives. Why would they want to make their job harder? Why allow Tor at all? Btw, a well-known Monero community member nostr:npub1saessfmtu5xwnwh60e0rwnj0e067npv6yxgc7d96algqqart056s5gkuqh created Mostard if that helps.
3. All true. Encryption and the entire interent are government-affiliated creations. It doesn't necessarily mean they have absolute control over it or it didn't slip out of their hands to varying degrees. The popular AR-style rifle, that governments are trying to ban, was also a government creation.

Again, why do you use all these things if you think they are compromised?


I'm having too much fun. But you're right I should probably stop it's going nowhere.


I said you can verify this yourself if you run a node (which I do)...you can't run a node to verify votes

I was just showing the website for your convenience


NanoGPT now accepts Monero and doesn't require an account

https://nano-gpt.com/


"block reward: 0.600000"

You can see this too if you run your own node. It's transparent briefly when it is first mined so you can manually verify the entire history of mined Monero.

https://www.p2pool.io/explorer/block/3273953


Not sure a Nostr client that you can use over Tor and only has Monero tips would be particularely useful for Mossad 😂


I just canceled my VPN. Which new provider can you recommend and why?

#asknostr


If nostr apps removed zaps, how much would you care?

Anyone think posts would be better without money totals on them?


Definitely something to consider

Some clients allow anonymous zaps or zapping without nostr network knowing
i.e. Amethyst

Btw Pubky looks really interesting. Can't wait to check out the public beta.


Check out Mostard too

https://mostard.org/


VPNs require some level of trust, but you can do better/worse. Like people are saying below Mullvad or IVPN are great since they offer some plausible deniability at least (allows you to pay with Monero/Bitcoin on their website over Tor and don't require an account or personal information)

Keep an eye on Nymtech too. They're in beta but doing some neat things it seems like decentralizing servers, injecting noise to obfuscate your activity, and offering ZK payments that will be unlinkable to which customer paid them.

https://nymtech.net/


Amounts and addresses are completely hidden on Monero

Amounts and addresses are completely visible on Bitcoin

Does that help?

Try searching my Monero address in my profile in any Monero block explorer

Find tell us any amount incoming or outgoing from it and addresses involved and you'll prove me wrong


He doesn't know that every new Monero mined is transparent so you can literally count them or how bulletproofs and commitments work

But even if that wasnt true he likes his crypto unverifiable anyway just like hit voting 🗽


Volume on Haveno is going up.

Decentralization ❤

Go Monero

https://image.nostr.build/41e3b21edc4d23b5aed7d55fc47658bf678cbd657bb5fa0b3f2a49357c828059.png


A maneira mais rápida e fácil é usar Gupax

https://gupax.io/

Caso contrário, use o CLI/GUI "oficial"

getmonero.org


Before you murder me don't forget to get approval from your overlords and vote on it first 🗳


Instead of me not voting now your vote will mean absolutely nothing once I cancel it out.

Thanks for convincing me to vote 🙏🗳🗽


You're supposedly MAGA but act like such an unhinged shit-lib with your spam replies and seething


 Did they give you your good little cuck sticker yet?

https://image.nostr.build/ccc8fa6bf006d9839fca5955685795c040e68db86c5c6bec2ee75ce754faf809.jpg


You can't address what I said because deep down you know it's true

Cope and seethe


Monero is a million times more verifiable than your proprietary unverifiable blackbox elections 🙈🙊🙉


You're so low IQ it's painful

A website telling you something is not verification. You can't necessarily prove someone didn't use someone elses vote or illegals aren't voting (i.e. "dead people" voting in 2020). And you can't prove what happens in between you voting and who gets elected.

"When registering to vote, individuals must affirm their U.S. citizenship under penalty of perjury. ***Although the registration form does not require proof of citizenship***, it warns that providing false information can lead to severe consequences, including deportation for non-citizens" LOL

You don't believe BBC (rightfully so) but believe "vote.org"

LOLOLOLOLOL


You're on nostr all day posting edgy shit with us too, retard 😂


Dude is unhinged. Left 28 replies below your message.

Shit-Lib behavior


Monero Matteo!

https://youtu.be/7UN-1Nq3VJs


Exactly, we dont live 250 years ago. Voting has changed, so any arguments you have about the history of voting is irrelevant.

30%-40% is done electronically on Dominion black box machines no one can verify

#trustharder


BBC is defending Dominion voting machines in that article trying to dismiss their involvement in Trumps 2020 loss. If you don't believe them (rightfully so), then you are agreeing with my criticisms. Who is the dumbfuck now? LOL!!!!

Stop trying to steer the conversation away from the central point

30-40% of voting happens on Dominion voting machines that are unverifiable black boxes. It only requires a fraction of that to turn an election because voters at the margins are the only ones that matter.

I also have no clue how you are in the Bitcoin/Nostr space and still are ok with closed source code and unverifiability 🤦♂


Says the guy impotently typing from his keyboard at home how hes so much better than everyone because he checks a box once every few years. Truly heroic.

You're not doing shit to help anyone you larp. You're all talk. You want to outsource your agency to others to magically solve all your problems becuase youre a child.

I had no intention of voting, but now I'm thinking of voting Kamala simply to cancel out your vote

Congratulations

LOL


SaberhagenTheNameless

If Monero only ever served as an antagonistic impetus to hasten future sovereign privacy solutions for Bitcoin...then it's still a net positive

Until that happens 👇

XMR: 88dBVb7aZxAB963WBr86jhScsNSf54PEY9Bvwv46cb7kdsAjstpyiCSVBfXgPR3EhoLFCUXhwiDJuJ5mEPtVFQ765ojEnZK


I'm sure that 5-year old is comforted by the fact that you're checking a box or pressing a button once every 4 years. What a hero.

Go actually do something actionable instead of thinking big daddy gov is going to solve every problem in society you larp


Saw an official advertisement for Ripple at the Frankfurt Main Station.

Looks like the establishment finance is pushing forward. But its not real crypto. Its not pro-individual. Its not pro-freedom.

Monero is being delisted, not talked about. Nevertheless, the true crypto revolution is in XMR. Join the grassroot movement that simply won't go away. Getmonero.org


to add your #monero address for tips on #mostard #nostr client. [left pane] Profile > [Top right] Pencil icon (Edit profile) > #xmr address at the bottom. THAT TOOK DAYS TO FIGURE OUT. WOW.


Furry porn and pedos are constantly on your mind. You have something to tell us?


No one is a liberal here but you're acting like one


Because we live 250 years ago, have no modern electronic voting, and there are no other factors involved

Common midcurve take

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54959962


Sure, but when you want privacy for amounts greater than petty cash?

Public mint operators are also vulnerable to the same money transmitter laws that brought down Samourai, Tornado Cash, AgoraDesk, Wasabi, etc

You can solve this with anonymous mint operators, but that means they can rug their users with little to no consequence


"THANK YOU CAKE WALLET" from Ungovernable Misfits "There Is No Institutional Adoption | The Confab 11: Fundamentals"

https://ungovernable-misfits.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/chapter_3_thank_you_cake_wallet.mp4

Listen on Fountain
https://www.fountain.fm/episode/jG0IDd55yG5J9XzIH1Kf


#monero
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bitcoin going up against fiat doesn't mean that the network scales better, that the fungibility issue has been fixed, or that the user experience has been improved.

bitcoin today is not much different than it was 3 years ago. it's technically worse, due to the lightning network becoming more centralized & less liquid, while the liquid federation has even fewer users.

the improvements are marginal and are due to developers figuring out workarounds to compromise on the fact that there's no new soft fork update.

there is some progress in the field of custodial solutions (ecash, federations, etfs), but that's not really bitcoin. it's something else that bitcoin was supposed to replace.

what bitcoin does have is a new wave of institutional investors who pulled some strings to remove some mainstream media fud in order to make it easier for them to dump on retail.

don't fool yourselves: these companies don't report their earnings in btc. they are not here for a new monetary standard and don't hope to one day move into citadels.

once the opportunity arises, they will dump their reserves on the newcomers and cause the next bear market.

and when we finally see the hopium get smoked, once everyone is done pointing fingers to find the heretics who didn't do as they said, the builders will have to step in and pick up the pieces in order to provide new technological legitimacy to the project.

we only have a few months left, and then i hope we return to making bitcoin work much better – not banks, not federations, not ecash mints. bitcoin as peer to peer electronic cash.


Sure, proprietary Dominon voting machine black boxes that no one can verify  always sounded perfectly legit to me

#voteharder
#santaexiststoo


They very likely traced them after they left Monero much like similar to many clickbait articles of the past. It mentions the criminals using credit cards, but authorities are too vague on the details to know for sure yet (probably purposely)


They traced them after they left Monero just like every other article that has claimed this. But "we traced Monero" makes great clickbait.

Cash is great locally but you can't instantly transact with anyone on the planet with cash

-Can't carry arbitrarily large amounts.
-More vulnerable to confiscation and theft.
-More difficult to verify authenticity on-the-fly.
-Issuance is centralized, unpredictable, and doesn't require PoW.
-Not as easily divisible (Need to carry specific denominations and change)
-Can't trustlessly exchange for crypto (no atomic swaps)
-Can't have multiple people with simultaneous ownership and control over the same cash (multisig)


Dread is the most known forum on Darknet.

Bicoin: 220 subscribers
Monero: 53752 subscribers

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"They followed the flow of funds after they left Monero and cashed out on completely traceable credit cards - so that means they traced Monero!!!"
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IGNORE THE ALL CAPS AND EXPLETIVES WHILE I CALL SOMEONE ELSE TRIGGERED

#NOTTRIGGERED

💯💯💯


"The Grind: 1996-2024" from Ungovernable Misfits "There Is No Institutional Adoption | The Confab 11: Fundamentals"

https://ungovernable-misfits.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/chapter_8_the_grind_1996-2024.mp4

Listen on Fountain
https://www.fountain.fm/episode/jG0IDd55yG5J9XzIH1Kf


It's cool, but requires trust in a third party so breaks the problem Satoshi was trying to solve with Bitcoin


Lol just 250 more years of politics and it will work bro trust me


Checks mempool…
Oh yeah these to stats look wonderful… https://image.nostr.build/2246da92eae1cf6e51b37ceab9d959842c1fb0c4196fe00046d671bb00d43469.jpg https://image.nostr.build/82d78eac99d87168caeec9afa57577e66293a4f2d7fd23cb75d5ea07cf355837.jpg


Isso é chamado de "compartimentalização" e ser o "homem cinza" e é sempre uma boa ideia praticar


Here are a few place you can use Monero

https://paste.sethforprivacy.com/?4bdfd5e9ff0b7550#35bgDRVThQfAKRGGYwoW6Ga1xdrYbnpVXXE7zgTN7y6o


Bitcoin também não é dinheiro. Não é o bem mais vendável.

Toda a narrativa de "reserva de valor antes do meio de troca" é uma falsificação do que os austríacos realmente acreditavam.

A rede lightning dificilmente é utilizável por pessoas normais. Recentemente, até mesmo Tucker Carlson estava criticando a usabilidade e privacidade do Bitcoin. Então, lightning está fora de questão se você quiser usá-lo soberanamente e sem permissão.

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A privacidade tem sido o padrão para o dinheiro por quase toda a história humana.

Sem privacidade, você não tem fungibilidade porque sua história única (ou a história equivocada de outros) se torna inseparável do seu dinheiro e adiciona atrito na aceitabilidade. Isso só vai piorar com a IA, pois ela “achata” o tempo e o torna trivialmente observável para todos.


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Sorry to keep tagging you, raf, lol just bringin this to your attention


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5ZeAP_i_s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tw5VJNynfw


Sorry, I meant if you want to implement privacy tech onchain (not merely obfuscation). Trying to understand your idea, but not sure how it is different from Silent Payments.


https://www.logicalincrements.com/
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/


Definitely easier than Monero

Any person you transact with can at least see partial balances. They can also follow what you do with that money going forward unless you coinjoin before and after every single transaction. Doubt you do.


Sure, that's why I mentioned you can do that, but BCH runs into the same problem as XMR sender privacy. Obfuscation isn't enough. That's the entire reason XMR is switching to FCMP because of statistical attacks.

I admit BCH is more scalable. But whether we hit that scalable "bottleneck" depends on rate of adoption and tech advances. If we never hit it, that advantage doesn't entirely manifest. FCMP also allows layer to be built on top of Monero.

I think crypto will grow, but I don't believe most people are going to actually use crypto even if given the option tbh. It's just worse than fiat if you don't care about sovereignty and privacy which seems to be the feeling of most people. You also don't "need" to use permissionless money for things you already have permission to do anyway.


A criptomoeda nano tem inflação zero agora. O Bitcoin ainda tem inflação tecnicamente. É melhor que o Bitcoin e o Monero? Não necessariamente.

Você não pode julgar com base em uma única métrica.


Dois algoritmos de hash completamente diferentes. Você não pode compará-los diretamente. É como comparar 23 metros contra 5 quilômetros e dizer que 23 metros é mais longe porque é o número mais alto.


Sounds like he's looking for Monero

Tucker Carlson: "Well, wait a second, I thought the promise of Bitcoin was autonomy?...Well, how about you make it easy for me to conduct business in Bitcoin - simple transactions...and keep it private because it's my money, I made the money, and there is no reason why the government should have any role in it at all. I should be able to do it secretly. And that's what you told me I was going to be able to do. It's not just a pump and dump scheme you sleazeball. It's not just about you getting rich and moving to Puerto Rico to pay no taxes. It's about returning freedom to the population...that's what you told me it was."

02:04:05

https://podcastindex.org/podcast/6711332?episode=29690338799


"We don't like crypto, but we like money. And Monero keeps us safe."

Irem Kuyucu & Laurynas Cetyrkinas / EPI 330

📺 Watch Full Epi Here: https://youtube.com/live/Rq0N5zwmegg?feature=share

https://m.primal.net/LmEJ.mp4


You can do some cool things with Ecash, but ultimately it is custodial and trust-based. The mint can turn malicious and rug you, or be forced to close down by governments and keep your money.

It's not a replacement for Monero

"Cashu isn't an alternative to Monero. Monero is cool." -Calle creator of Cashu


I think the major difference (in addition to everything I first listed) is governments have a captive populace and can force acceptance of their fiat. Monero/crypto devs can't force anyone to use it. And if enough users don't like what devs are doing it will be forked and take most of the network with them (You can't fork government fiat). This was Moneros origin story to begin with.


I think I see what you're saying now. But when people are normally talking about fiat in this space this is not what they mean. They're talking about government issued legal tender.


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Structure of our society is corrupt

Fiat Money - government typing numbers, which banks get first

CIA - puppet master for murdering dictators

Social media - Censorship Cult

Domain names - government database opinion

SMS - insecure expensive survelliance

~~~~

But it doesn't have to be this way:

All these can be replaced:
Nostr, Bastyon, PGP-contracts, Monero, Bitcoin, Arweave websites, Session, SimpleX

This is Aladdin,
A whole new world!!! For you and meeee


Fiat is an authoritative order or command

No one is commanding or ordering anyone to make Monero money. It's all voluntary and emergent so I'm still not following what you're saying.


Monero definitivamente supera sua categoria de peso
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Fiat: issuance centralized, arbitrary, and unpredictable (also not private if digital)

Monero: issuance decentralized, requires PoW, and predictable

?

Exact opposites


Preaching to the choir. I was just saying they might have different definitions in their mind (i.e. they say capitalism when they really mean crony/state "capitalism"). For instance, I'm sure you're for communes as long as they are voluntary. But I agree, if it requires aggressive force from a central authority (whether a dictator or group) ancom becomes an oxymoron.


Thanks for your answer, but not sure what it has to do with your original topic of scalability


Você é fã de Mises e dos austríacos? Eu também

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Você percebe que tecnologias antigas são constantemente tornadas obsoletas ao longo da história humana, certo? Por que o Bitcoin seria diferente?

Monero está morrendo? Poderia ter me enganado
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When Monero brings FCMP it will begin to allow forms of L2s, what would your opinion be in that case?

Also, I don't think most of the world is ever going to self-custody Bitcoin - much less Monero. The same way most people don't hold cash or gold. They are going to choose not to, even if they can, and opt for the convenient route.


What do you think of Nym? VPN that functions similar to Tor (and superior in several aspects)

https://nymvpn.com


or public wifi


Monero is objectively more scarce than BTC.

* Less circulating supply (until 2040).
* Lower yearly emission of new coins until next halving.
* Almost 100% self-custody without fractional reserved coins diluting supply
* No more CEX listings, where derivatives and futures control spot price
* No more (naked) shorting without buying real coins first
* Incentive to create circular economies

#scarcity


FYI you can swap to Monero from any popular crypto if you like the convenience of central exchanges. It's easy

https://trocador.app/


BCH is legit they're actually usable as digital cash and innovate on that front. Fees are very low and they just implemented "ALBA" blocks (dynamic blocks). Both XMR and BCH are close communities and collaborate sometimes. BCH users are often also XMR users.

They still have the same privacy problems as BTC. But their coinjoins don't have the significant expense that BTC does so you can keep doing them in the background. They also have ZK rollups on the horizon if I recall correctly.

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Ancoms and ancaps always have different definitions of "capitalism" so most of the time were speaking past each other and in circles. It would be more productive to define what that word means to the person.

I think the divide mostly comes down to whether voluntary interactions are at it's core. If it's all voluntary I don't really care as much about the label.


I like Amethyst


Bro...😭
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Or just try monero!

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Monero não é "derivado" do Bitcoin. Ele usa um protocolo completamente diferente (Cryptonote) e é um blockchain totalmente diferente com um bloco de gênese diferente. Não é um fork do Bitcoin.

"...e não mudou de lá pra cá."

Esse é o problema. O Bitcoin deu a seus concorrentes e inimigos de proxy de estado tempo para superá-lo tecnologicamente. Evoluir ou morrer.


# HAHA ! BRIGUEM 😈

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Using mostard 👌
Very cool client for #Monero lovers 💯💯


#Monero ban list

Ban list of IPs to mitigate bad actors, powered by Github Actions

https://github.com/rblaine95/monero-banlist


"BisonWallet will be the first to offer Monero-to- stablecoin atomic swaps. We have successfully swapped XMR on BisonWallet's testnet with a proof of concept app. It's fully implemented using Golang and is completely open-source."

https://nitter.poast.org/BisonWallet/status/1850120518789210525#m


"Defense against AI-guided Traffic Analysis (DAITA) is now available on Android"

https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2024/10/25/defense-against-ai-guided-traffic-analysis-daita-is-now-available-on-android


cashu.me now supports restoring ecash from a seed phrase

https://video.nostr.build/1e4c3ad0d0f87179050087cd9d996424dc2241d6f49d47c5addaeb643a3f0660.mp4


"SaberhagenTheNameless"


"Saberhagen The Nameless"


"If Monero only ever served as an antagonistic impetus to hasten future sovereign privacy solutions for Bitcoin...then it's still a net positive\n\nUntil that happens 👇\n\nXMR: 88dBVb7aZxAB963WBr86jhScsNSf54PEY9Bvwv46cb7kdsAjstpyiCSVBfXgPR3EhoLFCUXhwiDJuJ5mEPtVFQ765ojEnZK"


Monero is fucking amazing. Youbrealky do not have to care about a lot of things when you transact.


:monero:


Once again, most altcoins are getting rekt while #xmr is chilling at -0.18% daily.
Monero is inevitable.


"Bit2Me to delist XMR on October 31 2024 due to 'regulatory change'"

https://monero.observer/bit2me-to-delist-monero-31-october-2024/


Good morning!

https://m.primal.net/Libs.jpg


"mainnet-pat submits CCS proposal to complete XMR-BCH atomic swaps project"

https://monero.observer/mainnet-pat-submits-ccs-proposal-complete-xmr-bch-atomic-swaps/


Yes, gold was the best asset throughout history because it had the lowest inflation rate, but it was also private and fungible. Bitcoin is less so, Monero is more so, so it's not as clear cut as you make it seem.

Also, scarcity by itself doesn't necessarily mean more valuable.
1) There is a cryptocurrency call "42 coin". Is it more valuable that Bitcoin? No.
2) Hypothetically if there was a cryptocurrency had negative inflation (small % of total supply programmatically burned every X amount of time) would that necessarily be better money than Bitcoin? No, not necessarily.

Obviously there are many other factors aside from scarcity that need to be considered. There are plenty of things in this world that are limited in supply, but have little demand, so are not very valuable. Subjective theory of value.

https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/42-coin
https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Scarcity-Fallacy
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Tell me if this correct because im slightly confused

LSP perspective (with blinded paths):

? -----> You
LSP can see amount you received, but NOT who sent it

? <---- You
LSP can see the amount you are sending, but NOT to who

Is this correct? Or are you telling me the amounts are also hidden from the LSP? (but I find that confusing because they are providing liquidity to you so must know exact change in their liquidity when the transaction occurs, no?)


This is the elected Bitcoin Pope, heed his words.

"You're never going to get $100 trillion dollars to flow into bitcoin if its usecase is directly against the interests of a goverment. You don't wanna be that good.

If somebody wants privacy, maybe you need a Monero." https://image.nostr.build/4e9e68847914d83023cdb29f827c26c3186d61c9d1d24c47667bae0fb37be46b.jpg
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Monero has a whole series where people go over it's flaws one by one called "Breaking Monero"

It also has a history of constant improving (RingCT, Bulletproofs, Dandelion, etc). Latest massive improvement on the horizon is FCMP which removes the flaws of ring signatures (sender privacy) and goes from 1 of 16 to 1 of the entire chain

I don't think anyone is getting comfortable


Can Bitcoin and Monero peacefully coexist in the parallel economy?

#BTC #XMR #asknostr


Umm I think gold would like to disagree with your ill-thought conclusion...global money for thousands of years and we're still mining it


So Zeus LSP can only see what you receive, but with blinded paths they don't know who you sent to correct? And Zeus has blinded paths by default now?

Yes, trade-offs abound everywhere I agree. The good thing about the adversarial attitude between both Lightning and Monero camps is leading both to develop better privacy and UX (BOLT12 and FCMP)

Thanks for info


Doesn't Zeus LSP require a minimum deposit + extra fee (besides LN fee)? Monero requires neither

Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik wrapped invoices give you privacy from the general public, but not from the LSP. With Monero there is no third-party that you aren't private from.


Yes, the Monero address you give to the sender is "known" (just like the invoice string you give to the sender for lightning is "known"), but it's unlinkable to the one-time stealth addresses that appear on the blockchain. Functionally the same thing.

Looking forward to FCMP++ replacing rings signatures and potentially bringing an L2 on Monero. One thing I like about lightning is it doesn't have a permanent public global ledger.


This was also about confiscation. Obviously it's more difficult to tax/confiscate something you don't know someone still owns or is harder to surveil. Even when buying Monero from one of the few centralized exchanges left that offer it - as soon as it leaves the exchange the trail is lost by default.

Bitcoin:
You say you lost your keys? "We see it clearly moved after you told us that"
Someone hacked your keys? You sent to the wrong address? "We see you later consolidated Bitcoin from your 'hacked' keys/burnt coins with your current Bitcoin"
Coinjoined to throw them off the trail? "You mixed your funds with these criminal proceeds, so now you're a suspect (even if you're truly not)" i.e. Roman Sterlingov

There are still ways to mess up on Monero too, and you can do things on Bitcoin to avoid the things above (requires relatively large time commitment to learn and constant maintenance going into the future, which you or your heirs can still accidentally mess up later) but there are far more ways to screw up on Bitcoin. All things equal, Bitcoin is much worse for plausible deniability.


In the early days of ecash a common narrative was that it provides "theoretically perfect anonymity", but there's more nuance to this.

It's correct that when the client presents an unblinded signed message, the mint cannot link this to any specific blinded cyphertext that it signed previously.

However, there is still three pieces of critical metadata that the client does reveal:

1. The number of inputs and outputs of the ecash transaction. Transactions with many inputs reveal that the same user got paid many times in the past. Transactions with many outputs reveal that one user is making many payments.

2. The value of each input and output. The mint uses a different key for each denomination value of the tokens. Thus a token worth 5 units is easily differentiated from a token worth 10 units. The anonymity set of a token depends on the number of tokens generated, so if a user is the only one with that specific denomination he has no privacy.

3. The IP address that connects to the mint to send the transaction api request. If the same IP address makes multiple payments, it's likely the same user, and his geolocation is also revealed.

Problems 1 and 2 can be mitigated on client side, but this adds substantial complexity in utxo management and transaction structure. If these mitigation are not specified and different clients have slightly different solutions, this opens up additional client fingerprinting attacks.

WabiSabi is designed to solve problems 1 and 2 on a protocol level. A WabiSabi transaction is required to have exactly two inputs and two outputs, and homomorphic value commitments hide the amounts of each input and output. The tradeoff is that the mint has to issue 0 value credentials, a user needs to make more transactions to prepare his desired amounts, and the proof size and creation time is larger.

Problem 3 is addressed by a client side networking anonymity layer. A VPN at least hides the actual users IP address, but if only one client uses this VPN to talk to this mint, it's still one IP per user. Tor is incredibly useful here, as it allows the creation of anonymous onion routes through the network with different exit IP addresses. A client can get a new IP for each api request! This does however increase bandwidth and latency cost.

We should assume "everyone knows what the mint knows", and so we need to be hardcore about privacy protections best baked into the protocol. If the protocol doesn't ensure the security of the user, client devs have to do an exponentially larger amount of research and development to fix the issues client side.


Thats one of the last things they are planning. Not til the end of 2025.

You can use normal Bisq, Haveno-Reto, or UnstoppableSwap for Monero swaps right now though

https://haveno-reto.com/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


Yes, for a few years now


If you aren't using your own node, and don't want to expose your IP address to a strangers node, yes

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Evgeny addresses the VC stuff right away around 1:30 and continues for about ten minutes

Use whatever you want. Just presenting to you or anyone reading this his arguments.

https://watchmanprivacy.com/2024/06/05/106-simplex-chat-private-messenger/


I wonder if the twitter crowd ignores nostr like the nostr crowd ignores monero 🤣

PS: not an endorsement of monero, still haven't gone through it enough, I do think it's interesting enough to check out though.


Quero dizer, se estamos falando de privacidade, é melhor ... nem mesmo disputável lol


remember last week when utxo was making up stories about monero bros hard coding specific relays into clients?

to create safe spaces where you dont see material that upsets you?

kinda ironic no?
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Credit card fraud sounds like they traced it when he LEFT Monero

But really none of us know because it's vague and lacking in details

If it's like any of the previous "MONERO WAS TRACED!!!" articles throughout the years, it was when they off-ramped to an exchange or swapped into transparent crypto. In other words, nothing to do with Monero.

Receipts. Onus is on them to prove it since they are making the claim. Until then it's safe to assume its another clickbait article.


Wall Street is notorious for being bedfellows with federal regulators, politicians, and government in general.

It's kind of naive and simple to think BlackRock is just letting the free market do it's thing without artificial influence from government (monopoly on violence) for their advantage and to our detriment.


Claro que não faz sentido para você. Porque você dificilmente usa Bitcoin, e só o mantém na esperança de ficar rico. Então por que o dinheiro eletrônico P2P que age como dinheiro físico (permite privacidade entre duas partes) lhe interessaria?

Não é um mistério para mim.

Você pode querer ler o white paper. Satoshi tinha uma seção inteira dedicada à privacidade e falou nos fóruns de um esquema geral sobre a tecnologia de privacidade que o Monero agora usa. Então era obviamente importante para eles. O Bitcoin era privado o suficiente na época, porque a Chainalysis e as ferramentas disponíveis agora não estavam disponíveis naquela época. Mas isso não é mais verdade.
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AKA they didn't trace Monero. They traced them when they left Monero.


The Mimblewimble protocol applied to Litecoin has many privacy issues, but it is better to do something than nothing.

Monero also has privacy issues but it is better to do something than nothing.

Likewise Lightning has privacy issues but it is better to do something than to do nothing.

Please, Bitcoin developers, stop doing what benefits the miners the most (but he who pays the piper calls the tune, right?), apply spam filters and focus on privacy.

Post: also stop with the shit woke and inclusive language, bitches.

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While projects like litecoin embrace on-chain privacy, Bitcoin developers are more interested in spamming the chain with bullshit drawings.

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If nodes control the network like you say, and Bitcoin is decentralized because of that, then so is Monero:

https://monero.fail/map


Wall Street is a free market? BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street and friends? First I've heard 🤔


Article was vague and lacked any details so we don't know yet. More than likely because they used an exchange to off-ramp or swapped to transparent crypto like always.


They might know you sent it to a swap service address and that you swapped for Monero if they collude with SimpleSwap, but they wont be able to trace what happened after as long as you stay in Monero and spend it directly

If you want to later go Monero -> BTC (or another crypto) use Bisq, Haveno-Reto, Robosats, or BasicSwapDEX. Don't swap it all back in one shot (break into different amounts) and don't use SimpleSwap again for this.


Missed ya buddy


An hour you say? Here is Monero outperforming Bitcoin for a year ( all 2022)

And it just outperformed Bitcoin for 5 months straight hardly a month ago. Short timescales are anyones bet.

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Info is vague and lacking detail

These clickbaity articles of "tracing" Monero are nothing new. They always involve some roundabout way that has nothing to do with Monero directly (exchanges, transparent crypto hopping, on/off ramps, etc)


Testing ecash payments with bearer tokens stored on a physical card. You can see the card being topped up with one phone and pay the other. It feels incredibly fast and smooth.

Tap to pay UX with ecash is as good as it gets for payments. You're literally handing over the money.
https://video.nostr.build/41b9c7bb2306a6b21249a80f1e4d986b4c5663df3f9c60e8fc84ba33abf2ca46.mp4


Uh, awkward...
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I came back from the dead just to call out long time Saylor simps almost a year later:
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"flow of virtual currency was analyzed"

The article is so vague and no detail as to exactly how. Are they including the credit cards, exchanges, and other crypto they were using as "flow"?

Every time these new clickbait articles drop about "tracing Monero" this is always the case. Just going to assume this until more info comes out.


Receipts or it didnt happen

This always involves centralized exchanges or swapping back and forth to transparent cryptos like Bitcoin (and what do you know the article gives zero details)

AKA nothing to do with Monero

#retardsfallforclickbait


maxis : monero fixes nothing

Satoshi :
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Congrats to the nostr:npub1j9qyxka5lck4tw50v7qfrs6gdwczz5ydt7ugqy6nhuva9p6dpy5q8rs2yg team for keeping implementing privacy features of The Other Coins™, since it seems huge chunks of their respective communities have different priorities.

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I just started using https://mostard.org and finally it seems we have a decent nostr client that supports #monero tipping. I installed it on my grapheneOS device as PWA and for now it works flawlessly. The tipping process is imho way better than Garnet: instead of having an integrated wallet that was heavy on your device battery you can simply connect an external wallet of reference, like cake wallet or stack wallet and use it to receive/send tips.
Just give it a try, monero community!
#XMR


Cake Wallet version 4.20.0 introduces MWEB for better Litecoin privacy, wallet groups to help keep things tidy, and many more improvements across the board. Enjoy it  #mweb #litecoin

To read about all the changes (there are many!) visit our blog: https://cakelabs.com/news/cake-wallet-MWEB/
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Sembla que encara tens molt per aprendre llavors. Monero, Bitcoin i fora de la cadena tenen compromisos fonamentals amb diferents avantatges.

Cap és un substitut de l'altre


Seems like keystone is in line as well

https://xcancel.com/KeystoneWallet/status/1838254938935427175


ideally, yes


What can malicious Monero nodes that you connect to learn about you?
1) IP address
2) Last block synced
3) Manipulate your decoys when creating a transaction to reduce your sender anonymity

Solution for 1: use Tor or a VPN
Solution for 2: use Tor or a VPN (change your VPN server often and/or switch to a different node often)
Solution for 3: If your transaction ever fails/errors out (very rare), switch to a different remote node and try again to be safe.

What can malicious nodes **NEVER** learn?
1) amount being sent
2) address you're sending to
3) previous transactions you’ve sent/received
4) amount of Monero in your wallet


Was looking forward to this when they first announced it over a year ago. Unfortunately it seems like progress has halted. Bitcoin QnA said it's on the backburner recently with no ETA.

Silver-lining is XMRSigner project has been making crazy progress and is already out (though not completely finished)

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It's always ideal to use your own node of course, but even if you connect to a remote public node behind Tor you'll still be okay. Unlike Bitcoin, despite using a malicious node, it still can't see amounts or addresses when you make a transaction.

More info:
https://localmonero.co/knowledge/remote-nodes-privacy?language=en


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🔒💰 Apresentando o Monero: Sua Criptomoeda Privada e Segura! 💻🔍

Você já ouviu falar sobre o Monero? É uma criptomoeda que coloca a privacidade em primeiro lugar. Vamos explorar mais sobre essa moeda digital revolucionária! 🌐💰

O que é o Monero?
O Monero é uma criptomoeda descentralizada que se concentra em garantir a privacidade, a segurança e a fungibilidade de suas transações. Ao contrário do Bitcoin, que possui um livro-razão público, o Monero utiliza tecnologias de criptografia avançadas para ocultar informações sobre remetente, destinatário e valores de transações.

Por que Usar o Monero?
🔒 Privacidade Forte: O Monero usa assinaturas de anel e endereços stealth para garantir que todas as transações sejam privadas e não rastreáveis.
💼 Fungibilidade: Todas as unidades de Monero são indistinguíveis umas das outras, o que significa que cada moeda tem o mesmo valor e é aceita em todos os lugares.
⚡ Transações Rápidas e Seguras: Com uma rede descentralizada e algoritmos de consenso eficientes, o Monero oferece transações rápidas e seguras em todo o mundo.

Como Usar o Monero?
📱 Instale uma Carteira Monero: Baixe e instale uma carteira Monero em seu dispositivo para armazenar e enviar XMR.
💳 Adquira Monero: Compre Monero em exchanges confiáveis ou troque outras criptomoedas por XMR.
🔄 Proteja sua Privacidade: Ao realizar transações, certifique-se de usar recursos de privacidade disponíveis na carteira Monero.

Por uma Economia Digital Privada e Segura!

#Monero #Criptomoeda #PrivacidadeDigital

Experimente o Monero e descubra uma nova dimensão de privacidade e segurança financeira! 💸🔒

Você sabia que o Bitcoin não é anônimo? Tem vídeo no canal sobre este tema:
https://youtu.be/QMEwCJF_O7c


ppq.ai is very convenient


Legal, agora você só precisa esconder completamente os valores da quantidade e quem o envia e podemos aposentar o Monero 👌


we are so fucking back
#Monero

(this is an untested wallet and should not be trusted)
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Saylor is an idiot who doesn't understand (or knowingly misleading others) the core value prop of Bitcoin (removing trusted third parties)


Absolute fucking nimrod.

This makes me want to side with #Monero over #Bitcoin. This is not why Bitcoin was made. Fuck these people nostr:note1nccng726g42dvc2ahyxj6rjmu9cke308uzhtnxykxquxdknauy8qq4ngt6


Paranoid crypto anarchists write code.


These are all the same reasons I said fuck that and just use ecash for lightning stuff right now


The more I actually try to use Bitcoin Lightning, the more I hate it. I just want to send and receive digital shekels. All of this shit about channels, inbound/outbound liquidity, etc is a pain in the ass and gets between me and what I want. The fact that channels can arbitrarily get closed, leaving money in limbo for days is even more shit.

AlbyHub closed a new channel I opened after 13 fucking minutes... now I need to fund another one if I want my wallet to work, but I can't the funds in AlbyHub because they're too few and stuck in closed channels anyway.

I have an embedded node Zeus wallet on a phone with enough sats to do the job, but oh no! The channel's stuck as Inactive, and even if it does activate properly, there's too many zombie channels so any attempt at payment times out and goes nowhere.

I won't pretend Monero hasn't given me headaches and borderline heart attacks in the past, but it's got nothing on this Lightning shit. When it works well it works well, but just one piece out of alignment and it all goes to shit. Lightning fucking sucks, and I'm not willing to pretend it doesn't.


There are more technical details about "Carrot" in Monero. #xmr #monero  https://github.com/jeffro256/carrot/blob/master/carrot.md


https://m.primal.net/LcuA.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1g82047/malicious_node_ips_discovered/


based. tell them to use https://mostard.org the monero nostr web client


The spooky M-word is so irrelevant it's always on your mind, huh?

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F*ck sh*t ! I tried to have a break then I see Saylor talking more sh*t !

I’m pretty much the same age as Saylor. I’m not a multi billionaire, I’m a standard Pleb, of which I’m very happy to be alongside many of you, and Bitcoin to me is THE alternative to a vile corrupt warmongering system of theft.

HOLD YOUR KEYS
STACK HARD

This whole BS take that we all need f’ing Fink and Saylor is crap.

I was stacking before them and I never wanted them.

We create our own narrative, fuck being force fed this constant fiat version of the best sound money ever created. Yes they’re here, yes they’re buying loads but that’s it. It was always going to be that way.

Never give up your keys  … EVER !
🤙