Tornado Cash? Needed a banking license. Samourai Wallet? Needed a banking license. WhatsApp, Apple, X, probably all need licenses too.

Sounds retarded? Correct. That's why the SEC has proposed a rule to formalize licensing requirements for communication protocols.

In a speech at the annual U.S. Treasury Market Conference, Gensler announced to rule on proposed amendments to the Exchange Act by November, which expand the definition of the term "exchange" to mean "systems that bring together buyers and sellers of securities [...] (i.e. "communication protocols")."

Critics argue the rule may be weaponized to criminally indict software developers given the already hostile environment for crypto- and privacy devs.

If this rule passes, we are fucked beyond comprehension.

Full story:
https://www.therage.co/gensler-to-rule-on-licensing-requirements-for-communication-protocols-2/


Its a fork of https://nostrudel.ninja for Monero. You can sign into your Nostr account the same way. Or just make a new account to play around with it. It's basically identical to Nostrudel besides the Monero tips I think


Yes, look at my profile bio as an example. Then that Monero logo will light up and be clickable on your notes for all Mostard and Garnet users and any new future clients


by the way check out

https://mostard.org


It's ok you dont have to. We can still tip your notes with one click as long as you have an address in your profile. Just letting you know!


Forgot this one. And of course almost all large markets on the DNMs accept it. Some exclusively.

https://image.nostr.build/7d1ef379ae671905b7e970ec2bf2d4d7c2ec08e15208896acc035a7d812a2162.png


"if you even find any serious business that accepts it."

Maybe you'll find this interesting

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Add a Monero address to your profile so we can tip you 🤙
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Where is your profile Monero address? We can't tip you bruh

https://image.nostr.build/b68f7153fefb9ee52688ee9c34a0cea05ecb781ed8a105a113919491bfbcc74e.png


So is this an admission that the "just use lightning for privacy" crowd was lying before BOLT-12? 🤔

Until Taproot becomes more common, it just has the opposite effect and makes your transaction stick out from more common address types


Now that we have Tor enabled by default for untrusted relays that are not in your list, I feel much more comfortable in going full outbox model.

Future is bright.


Desculpe, aqui está o link correto para Haveno (rede Reto)

https://haveno-reto.com/


A maneira mais fácil provavelmente seria trocá-lo por outra criptomoeda popular como Litecoin ou Bitcoin usando algo como "Trocador" ou "Bisq"

Outro seria comprá-lo diretamente por fiat usando Haveno. Pode ser mais difícil, no entanto, usar dinheiro brasileiro

https://trocador.app/

https://bisq.network
https://haveno.exchange

Mais maneiras de obter Monero:
https://paste.sethforprivacy.com/?82365625121f28d5#Ccumd9t1KoGPLKPQ8qJHTSzoLcgVzk3uUA91NxjGzVtC


@xmrbazaar and @monero_market have been listed. Check  out the changelog:

https://kycnot.me/changelog


It took Proton 6 years and a wave of complaints for only accepting fedcoins as payment.

Finally they start "considering" monero as payment option.

Very sus behavior.

Sure hope Nostr can become the standard for private emails one day.

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Proton has always been sus in many ways

Try IVPN or Mullvad like MadMonkey said


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O meu ponto principal é que o Bitcoin não é a única criptomoeda descentralizada. E a mineração Monero é indiscutivelmente mais descentralizada.


I'm super thankful to nostr:nprofile1qqs8suecw4luyht9ekff89x4uacneapk8r5dyk0gmn6uwwurf6u9ruspzpmhxue69uhkumewwd68ytnrwghszxthwden5te0wfjkccte9eekummjwsh8xmmrd9skctcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhs2juazd for trusting me and giving me the support I needed to push Nutmix forward.

I'm incredibly excited our future!

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Samourai Wallet Reborn!? | THE BITCOIN BRIEF 41

  ▎The Bitcoin Brief: What's This Show All About?  The Bitcoin Brief is a show hosted by Max and Bitcoin QnA. We cover important updates in the world of bitcoin and open source software. It is our imperative to provide some education along the way too, so that the misfits can expand their knowledge base and become more sovereign as a result.    We do this every second week to keep our listeners informed without having to dedicate hours every day to keep on top of developments. We break things down in a simple and fun way and we welcome questions or topic suggestions via Podcasting 2.0 boosts.    Thanks for listening you Ungovernable Misfits, we appreciate your continued support and hope you enjoy the shows. You can support this episode using your time, talent or treasure.      ▎SHOW DETAILS  ▎▎AOBPoorly QnAWinter is hereMatt Odell call outhttps://0x0.st/XxEy.mp4
(01:02:00) Listener Questions and Feedback(01:19:00) Zero Knowledge Proofs and Bitcoin OS(01:28:00) Monero Boosts and Community Support

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https://serve.podhome.fm/episodepage/bit-buy-bit/samourai-wallet-reborn-the-bitcoin-brief-41


Bitcoin isn't private though it's a transparent blockchain always visible to the world.

But like you say its possible to be anonymous/pseudonymous on it. Like a naked person in public with a bag over their head. I don't know who they are but they're clearly not being private.


By the way, Bitcoin can also become expensive to run with massive usage. All things equal, Monero just reaches that hypothetical state quicker. But there is a scenario where Bitcoin can have massive adoption and be expensive to run, while Monero with modest adoption, remains less expensive. Just depends how the future plays out.


Relative to Bitcoin, yes, that's correct. Just depends if rate of adoption surpasses technological limits/consumer tech. If it doesn't grow too fast it shouldn't be a problem.

FCMP++ (an upgrade coming to Monero in about a year) will allow layers on Monero. An encrypted basechain with a privacy layer is about as scalable and private as you can get for crypto.


O preço de qualquer coisa pode ser potencialmente manipulado no curto prazo, até mesmo o preço do Bitcoin. De certa forma, é mais fácil fazer isso com o Monero agora porque ele tem uma capitalização de mercado menor. Mas, ao mesmo tempo, é mais difícil de sustentar porque ele não tem quase tanta presença em mercados controlados quanto as exchanges centralizadas que podem imprimir criptomoedas falsas.

De qualquer forma o preço de longo prazo sempre se aproxima do seu valor real


A história nos ensina que aqueles que se destacam em busca de liberdade muitas vezes precisam operar nas sombras, utilizando códigos e símbolos para se comunicar. Hoje, o que o brasileiro desperto está passando precisa aprender mais do que nunca essa lição. O anonimato e o uso de moedas como o Bitcoin e Monero, são as ferramentas que nos permitem navegar em um mundo onde o controle do estado não alcança.

Assim como os antigos templários tiverem que viver nas sombras para proteger sua riqueza, conhecimento e poder. Devemos nos lembrar que este tempo sombrio retornou e que a vigilância e o controle podem se intensificar a qualquer momento. A história é cíclica, e os desafios que enfrentamos hoje exigem uma nova abordagem.

Usar criptos descentralizadas não é apenas uma questão financeira, mas um ato de resistência. É uma forma de afirmar que não seremos facilmente controlados ou monitorados. Utilzar redes alternativas como aqui no Nostr e manter nossa identidade protegida, estamos não apenas preservando nosso patrimônio, mas também defendendo nossos direitos fundamentais.

Que possamos aprender com os ensinamentos do passado e nos preparar para o futuro, sempre prontos para agir com sabedoria e coragem. A liberdade é uma chama que deve ser mantida acesa, mesmo nas horas mais sombrias. https://image.nostr.build/f7a95439ffe2ba82dea9709e430cc590f497f083ce5012f8ad31e90184540de9.jpg

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No, thank you though, friend 🤝


You're good I'll figure it out later. I'm in no rush. Thanks though!


Yea I forgot to say I'll pay for mining fees

Maybe only some wallets support sending to Silent Payment addresses like Cake (thats what im using for it)? I'm not sure tbh. Just messing around with it


Anyone want to help me test out this Silent Payment address? Just a very small amount. I'll send it back or send you Monero/Ecash/Lightning if you prefer 🔁

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A propósito, eu gosto de Paul Sztorc e o ouço o tempo todo. Estou bem familiarizado com drivechains e não me oponho a usá-los quando/se eles surgirem.


Legal. Bem, não posso usá-lo agora, então acho que vou continuar esperando.


Sua crítica ao Monero soa muito como a mídia, os políticos e os falantes tradicionais de finanças faziam quando o Bitcoin era jovem

Sim, a camada mágica de privacidade do Bitcoin vai acontecer a qualquer momento. Dê mais quinze anos.


Meu amigo, em nenhum momento eu disse para fazer isso. Faça como quiser.

Fique com seu Bitcoin. Eu te envio um pouco de Monero se você tiver um endereço.


Obviamente, há consenso descentralizado em Monero. Os desenvolvedores não podem quebrar os dedos e forçar todos a usar ou atualizar seu software. Monero foi criado pela primeira vez a partir de um desacordo de rede de consenso com desenvolvedores antigos.

Toda vez que há um aumento modesto nas transações, as taxas se tornam ridículas como no início deste ano, e o Bitcoin se torna inútil para a maioria de seus usuários. Até o Lightning quebra. É apenas barato agora, porque ninguém o está usando no mesmo grau. Se de alguma forma sobreviver aos problemas de segurança do subsídio de blocos zero, a maioria dos usuários se tornará cidadãos de segunda classe.


Você entendeu mal o que eu disse. Estou dizendo o contrário. Que esses projetos individuais são menores (como o DriveChains) do que o número de desenvolvedores no Monero. Basta olhar para os seus repositórios de código. Há 9 pessoas trabalhando na DriveChains vs 238 trabalhando em Monero. Monero também é algo como 10x o valor de mercado dos Lightning. Ambos olhavam para cima facilmente.

Mesmo que esteja quase pronto, a comunidade geral do Bitcoin não deseja as mudanças necessárias para o DriveChains. Isso é óbvio. Muita rejeição.

Isso é engraçado. Lightning não matou nada. 95%+ dos usuários estão usando carteiras de custódia porque a experiência do usuário soberano é muito terrível. Até o Tether interrompeu o raio Stablecoin no ano passado, porque não havia demanda.

Também não tenho nada contra o DriveChains, mas até agora é vaporware. Se for implementado e funcionado bem, eu o usarei. Mas isso parece uma chance baixa até agora.


Quantos desenvolvedores há em cada uma dessas equipes em comparação com o Monero? Eu diria que é mais ou menos o mesmo e até muito menos dependendo do projeto específico.

O Monero não tem problemas de escalabilidade. Ele tem problemas potenciais de descentralização se escalar rapidamente. Muito diferente.

Mas nem o Bitcoin nem o Monero podem escalar globalmente sem comprometer a descentralização em nenhum momento no futuro imediato. Nem mesmo o Lightning pode escalar assim globalmente. É apenas um grau de diferença. Não que um não possa e o outro possa.

Sim, o Monero pode ter camadas com FCMP++. Mas, ao contrário do Bitcoin, seu blockchain não o prejudica.


Novamente, ele não existe agora para ser usado...onde está a implementação do drivechain que eu posso usar hoje?

e não resolve o paradoxo da taxa de blockchain que descrevi acima


The hubris of the most entrenched Bitcoin maxis will never allow them to consider Monero as an ally in ANYTHING, let alone something else entirely; we already saw the playbook with Cash after all.


Totally agree! Bitcoin has its bumps, but it opens the door for cool stuff like Monero. Excited to see what’s next in the crypto world! 🚀 #CryptoJourney


Anonymity (identity) is different from privacy (actions and contents). Perhaps we won't know who you are right now, but we can clearly see balances and transactions on chain. We can also follow them going into the future (do you coinjoin before and after every single transaction? or do you trust every single person you transact with?). Even experts make mistakes.

It's not just about random anons like us either. Actors with more resource (governments, corporations, exchanges, and chainalysis) can do even more with it like inferring who you might be by using that data (amounts, addresses, timing, etc). The longer you use Bitcoin the more data you leave on chain and ever increasing chance of mistakes.


Everything else aside, don't you find it odd that the markets with the most need for anonymity and privacy are using Monero though? No lightning in sight.

Maybe lightning privacy is good enough for the average user (most just want privacy from general public, but dont care if their bank knows). But seems to lack where there is a heavy dependence on it.


True but CT uses Pedersen Commitments. They are "perfectly hiding" meaning they are quantum computer proof. Lightning amounts are not technically hidden to routing nodes. And in practice most of the network goes thru a few large centralizing hubs that can see most network activity.

https://docs.grin.mw/wiki/miscellaneous/switch-commitments/#properties-of-commitment-schemes


Glad you asked! Here are all the links https://paste.sethforprivacy.com/?c684420832833dd6#8BPJ43NXA18jVekwrc3o76TGjCN99cTkfGpzhNFeeCB4

⭐"WHERE CAN I SPEND MONERO?"
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    Monerica 💬 Extensive list
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P2P Markets

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Fundraising & Tips

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“...não tem a mínima hipótese de se tornar realidade, como o Monero?”

Não foi isto que os principais meios de comunicação social disseram sobre o Bitcoin na altura?

Existe apenas um tipo de ferramenta a nível mundial? Ou existem diferentes ferramentas?
De que serve conseguir uma adoção generalizada se se perde toda a proposta de valor da Bitcoin?

O mainstream nunca vai querer usar Bitcoin real. Utilizarão custodiantes ou pouparão nalgum ETF. Já estamos a ver isso claramente hoje. E, nesses casos, o Bitcoin perde suas propriedades sem permissão e se torna quase indistinguível da moeda fiduciária. Pior, na verdade, porque é mais lento, mais caro, menos privado e menos aceite do que a moeda fiduciária. Até a “reserva de valor” pode ser destruída no mercado branco. O governo pode simplesmente cobrar mais impostos por possuir/usar Bitcoin ou imprimir mais IOUs para usuários com custodiantes e ETFs.

A menos que se esteja a usar Bitcoin sem autorização (apenas possível nos mercados negros), então não se está realmente a usar Bitcoin. É fiat com o logotipo do Bitcoin anexado. O Monero resolve algumas (não todas) as desvantagens do Bitcoin. É apenas um facto. É por isso que está a tomar conta dos mercados da darknet.


Not that I know if. Btw I'm not the one who created this it was nostr:npub1saessfmtu5xwnwh60e0rwnj0e067npv6yxgc7d96algqqart056s5gkuqh if you want to ask them


Ninguém vai utilizar uma cadeia de blocos se as taxas forem assim tão elevadas. Isso exclui 99% dos utilizadores do planeta.

Depois ouço a narrativa: “A maioria fará transacções baratas em camadas”. Muito bem, então quem é que vai pagar as elevadas taxas aos mineiros para proteger a cadeia de blocos? Porque é que mesmo as pessoas ricas pagariam na blockchain se o podem fazer muito mais barato numa camada? Ninguém gosta de deitar dinheiro fora sem razão. É uma dissonância cognitiva.

A razão pela qual é mais barato transacionar no Monero, mesmo que tivesse a mesma quantidade de utilizadores que o Bitcoin, é devido ao tamanho dinâmico dos blocos. No Bitcoin, os utilizadores licitam uns contra os outros para estarem no bloco seguinte, que tem um tamanho fixo. É por isso que é mais caro.

Não estou a dizer a ninguém para poupar (especular) em nada. Estou a dizer para o usar.
A emissão de suprimentos Monero é descentralizada, previsível e requer PoW, assim como o ouro.
A emissão de suprimentos da Fiat é centralizada, imprevisível e arbitrária. É isso que a torna uma porcaria.

Escassez absoluta = mais valioso é uma falácia.
O valor é subjetivo. O preço é a oferta e a procura. É possível controlar a oferta, mas não a procura.

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Scarcity-Fallacy


O único que está a ser utilizado é o Silent Payments. E, da última vez que verifiquei, era impraticável porque todas as implementações até agora estavam a ter problemas com tempos de sincronização extremamente longos. Talvez venham a resolver esse problema ou já o tenham feito. Não sei.

Mas isso não vem ao caso por causa dos problemas que eu descrevi de ter Stealth Addresses numa blockchain transparente.

Os restantes ainda não existem (são apenas BIPS ou ideias) ou ninguém utiliza a implementação (por qualquer razão). Tenho quase a certeza de que o Citrea se destina a uma validação rápida e sucinta, e não propriamente à privacidade.


Historicamente, o Bitcoin tem sido uma melhor reserva de valor até agora, mas, na verdade, ele ainda tem inflação nas próximas décadas. Agora, mais inflação do que o Monero.

Transações baratas simplesmente não são verdadeiras e serão menos verdadeiras com mais usuários.

Descentralização em que sentido? O Monero tem uma gama semelhante de nós na rede que o Bitcoin. A mineração do Monero é mais descentralizada, pois quase qualquer um pode participar com hardware que já possui.

Segurança discutível, dependendo do que você quer dizer. Energia pura, sim. Mas a centralização de mineradores e pools corporativos em fazendas facilmente direcionadas ao governo não é boa para a segurança.

https://monero.fail/map
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Pagamentos silenciosos só ajudam com o anonimato (identidade) do destinatário e não tornam o Bitcoin privado (tudo ainda é visível no blockchain, incluindo quantias)

Uma melhoria escassa, mas funciona pior em um blockchain transparente. As contrapartes ainda podem ingenuamente descobrir para qual endereço enviaram no blockchain e segui-lo de lá para o futuro. Até mesmo observadores terceirizados podem descobrir, dados 2 de 3 quantias, endereço do remetente, hora da transação.

Nenhuma das opções acima é possível no Monero.


Nenhum programador pode forçar um utilizador a executar software no seu computador que não queira.

É esse o objetivo do FOSS. O consenso só pode acontecer se os utilizadores decidirem usá-lo. Afinal de contas, essa é a rede. O Monero só existe em primeiro lugar porque a rede não concordou com os desenvolvedores anteriores e saiu.

Todos os seus exemplos são coisas que ainda não existem ou que ninguém usa. Você só está ajudando meu ponto.


É uma pena que não possamos usar algo que ainda não existe e pode nunca existir.

Para aqueles que querem privacidade padrão forte e simples hoje, sem comprometer a soberania, o Monero é a única opção real


It's the only way; use Monero.

https://m.primal.net/KwWX.png


Já ouço isto há quase uma década e a Bitcoin continua a ser completamente transparente.

Atualmente, encontra-se num estado ainda pior desde o encerramento de Samourai, Wasabi e Phoenix.

O único suporte de valor das bitcoins são os mercados negros. Não faz sentido usar Bitcoin se estiver a seguir todas as leis para uma determinada transação. Nesse caso, a Fiat seria mais rápida, mais barata e mais aceite, com menos controlo regulamentar.

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Permissionless-Principle


Porque é que a solução para a privacidade das Bitcoins está sempre ao virar da esquina?

Há uma década que leio coisas deste género. O Monero está aqui *agora* para ser usado.


Podes, se tiveres um nó Monero.

Ele simplesmente não tem a mesma simplicidade subjacente ao Bitcoin. É baseado em suposições criptográficas.

Na prática, ninguém tira proveito da transparência do Bitcoin. Mesmo para os poucos utilizadores que gerem um nó de Bitcoin, quase ninguém se certifica de que todas as entradas/saídas de mais de mil milhões de transacções se anulam mutuamente e o fazem a cada dez minutos.

A transparência do Bitcoin não o torna “à prova de inflação”. Erros de inflação já aconteceram no passado e, se forem aproveitados antes de serem descobertos/corrigidos, os danos não podem ser desfeitos. Os utilizadores terão trocado bens e serviços reais por Bitcoins falsos.

Em todo o caso, cada uma tem as suas vantagens, como referiu. A mesma coisa que torna a auditoria difícil é a mesma coisa que dá ao Monero uma privacidade superior, anonimato, fungibilidade e resistência à censura direcionada. É possível utilizar cada uma delas pelos seus pontos fortes.


Bom dia plebs! Sempre fui entusiasta do btc e me afastei de “criptos” no geral…mas tenho visto argumentos interessantes em favor da monero: prof of work, privacidade, favorecimento a mineração descentralizada…o que vcs acham da monero? alguma refutação?
Uma coisa que não entendi é a quantidade total de moeda, se pode variar?


“em breve”

Ok, até que isso aconteça, se é que alguma vez acontecerá, o Monero é muito melhor para transacções privadas e anónimas

E mesmo assim, tenho a certeza que terá as suas próprias desvantagens que o Monero não tem e vice-versa


O dinheiro físico pode ser utilizado para comprar drogas ou para coisas aborrecidas do dia a dia, como ir às compras. É isso que o dinheiro deve ser. Não há histórico de problemas de alta resolução e fungibilidade. O Monero é o análogo digital disso.

Concordo consigo que a transparência tem as suas próprias vantagens.

Se alguma coisa, o caso mais forte de Moneros é usá-lo. Por isso, não sei por que razão conclui que não é assim. É muito mais barato, privado, anónimo e fungível.

Além disso, toda a proposta de valor do Bitcoin é a sua natureza sem permissões. É poder usá-lo *apesar* de ser um “crime segundo a lei”. Se não se está a violar nenhuma lei numa determinada transação, porque se usaria o Bitcoin? Não tem qualquer vantagem em relação à moeda fiduciária para essa transação, uma vez que está a seguir todas as leis de qualquer forma. A moeda fiduciária é mais barata, mais rápida e tem um efeito de rede muito maior nesse caso.

Faz o que quiseres. Só estou a dizer que os seus argumentos particulares não fazem sentido para mim.


XMR is still most traded Pair by wide margin https://image.nostr.build/85b73f112782cba8b27815c4a17c78d2d5f802302c427a4d47b0abf180f4b475.jpg


Saw a clip recently where he made a heavy implicit reference about "privacy coins" to Jack Mallers

*wink wink nudge nudge*

They're too scared to say the M word
It's like the boogeyman to them 👻😱
I find it hilarious


me, the forked code is here

nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzppmnpqnkhegvaxa05lj7xa8yljl4axze5gv33u6t4m7sqp6xklf4qyv8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgctjvshx7un89uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcqyr6j8celvfuwfafymscnfr5gd6h8elphung4fukmekwxpc6373h3sd45nlt


Great work man!


Discovered this web client today. A fork of Nostrudel.

https://mostard.org/


Os criadores podem alterar o protocolo tanto quanto quiserem, mas isso não faz nada se a rede de utilizadores não o quiser e não executar o seu software... a rede já rejeitou criadores antes, o que levou à criação do Monero em primeiro lugar.


De facto, não é verdade. O Monero tem uma gama de nós semelhante à do Bitcoin. Mesmo a mineração do Monero é mais descentralizada porque qualquer pessoa com um computador de merda pode minerar. Não é necessário um ASIC especializado.

https://monero.fail/map


Nenhum programador pode forçar um utilizador a executar software no seu computador que não queira.

É esse o objetivo do FOSS. O consenso só pode acontecer se os utilizadores decidirem usá-lo. Afinal de contas, essa é a rede. O Monero só existe em primeiro lugar porque a rede não concordou com os desenvolvedores anteriores e saiu.

E a qualquer momento, se o utilizador não concordar com as alterações, pode trocar o seu Monero por Bitcoin, outra criptomoeda, ou fazer um fork e nenhum programador o pode impedir.


E nunca ninguém usa Bitcoin porque é caro. Nem mesmo tu usas Bitcoin, Sr. "Wallet of Satoshi". Está a mover números numa base de dados centralizada.

E quando usam, são falsamente acusados e espiados porque é uma blockchain de vigilância

https://www.torekeland.com/roman-sterlingov/


Vale a pena utilizar, quer dizer? Sem dúvida, se valorizar a privacidade e as transacções extremamente baratas.


Afaik only RINO wallet supports multi-sig at the moment, but there are some privacy trade-offs with it since it's a light wallet. Some websites like XMRBazaar and MoneroMarket have multi-sigs for trades.

xmrsigner was revived recently and making progress, but is not out yet and still being developed:
https://monero.observer/diosdelrayo-ccs-proposal-offline-signing-library-xmrsigner/

https://www.rino.io/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://moneromarket.io/


NoStrudel fork with Monero tipping

Very cool

https://mostard.org/


Onde é que o Monerochan te magoou?


My main nostr client is now https://mostard.org

forked from the old version of NoStrudel, with all LN and e-cash crap removed, working towards a bloat-free, minimalist and monero-supported experience.

Also since it's a personal client not one supposed to be mainstream, I client filtered replyguy spam for my own improved usage.


Cool. Who made this?


Clearly novices.
Only a matter of time before they're caught on the surveillance chain.

👮♂👮♂👮♂🚓🚓🚓


Ou talvez tudo tenha vantagens e alguns desempenhem certas tarefas melhor do que o Bitcoin e vice-versa...🤔

O Monero e o Bitcoin não têm capacidades complexas de contratos inteligentes

A Bitcoin e a Ethereum não são privadas e fungíveis

Historicamente, o Ethereum e o Monero não se têm saído tão bem na preservação do valor


The Chainalysis talk to the IRS breaking down privacy coins, specifically Monero (XMR) is live on nostr.build in case anyone needs it. https://v.nostr.build/D4Nzp22vRF35IRnz.mp4


Bitcoiners say "gm" on Nostr

Ethereum devs say "gm" on Farcaster

Monero guys don't say gm, it's a timezone leak.

As soon as your device connects to Tor in the morning,
the last thing you want is "gm" on an anonymous account

If anything, say good night to fuck em over


Amigo, não estavas ainda há pouco a dizer que eu estava a menosprezar os outros?...

😂


Yes I use both. I'm immersed in both camps.

Whats your point? That you're more biased and less knowledgeable?


“Esta observação sobre os aumentos de impostos é pertinente, mas seria o cúmulo da insensatez querer cobrar pelo lucro de um ativo estacionário que ainda pode sofrer perdas devido à volatilidade.”

Concordo plenamente com esta afirmação. Estou apenas a constatar o facto de que vão tentar roubar o máximo que puderem através de impostos e leis corruptas. Os mercados negros serão o único refúgio se quisermos escapar completamente a isso.


Estou a usar um tradutor. Calma, não estou a menosprezar ninguém, a não ser que o façam primeiro.


forums are dead, huh?

- forum.cakewallet.com
- forum.monero.space
- forum.hackliberty.org
- meta.discourse.org

hop in!


Nenhum desenvolvedor pode forçar os usuários a atualizarem seus FOSS ou a executarem software que eles não querem executar em seus próprios computadores

O que você realmente quer é a garantia de um nome e um símbolo de três letras por causa dos símbolos de dinheiro em seus olhos


De acordo


Se está a fazer transacções com Bitcoin que seguem todas as mesmas regras que a moeda fiduciária... não faz sentido usar Bitcoin para essas transacções (porque está a seguir todas as leis de qualquer forma).

Porque é que eu não havia de usar simplesmente dinheiro fiduciário para isso? É mais barato, mais rápido e tem um efeito de rede maior

Percebo o argumento da poupança... mas com o aumento dos impostos sobre os lucros, até isso pode acabar em breve

Todo o poder que o Bitcoin nos dá reside apenas nos mercados negros (ou em breve residirá)


Agradeço a resposta. Concordo plenamente consigo. Estava a dirigir a minha resposta a este movimento crescente de hiper-fixação do preço à custa e em sacrifício de tudo o resto. A conclusão lógica disso é neutralizar a Bitcoin para a adoção em massa e apenas fazer alterações favoráveis ao governo para apaziguar os reguladores. Mises também era mais um tipo de meio de troca antes da reserva de valor. Assim como Rothbard.

https://image.nostr.build/a8ab191465d71d7e6fa51fa45604a14148dbae7de677b7bb0dd5b4f14e91751e.jpg
https://image.nostr.build/468841354e1c70f6e73afadae2b8469adaf736f8cb39f52edf8c124ac1f2dc27.jpg
https://image.nostr.build/117b094e6089b96b8beb534a1cb7272628265a1e9f2cd11e57ee153a6bdf2667.jpg
 https://image.nostr.build/dd588afc01c675fd7945abe5275cf5b4b324c3c103cb747afa16cd397bff9274.jpg


Quando é que eu disse que podia censurar as tuas transacções, atrasado mental? 😂


Não te lisonjeies. Não faço ideia de quem és, mas aparentemente deixei uma impressão em ti


Nada disto invalida o que eu disse

Os impostos do governo e a inflação roubam os bens da sua família. Isso será cada vez mais verdadeiro com o tempo. Só podes evitar isso completamente não seguindo as leis que o Bitcoin te dá o poder de fazer.

Isso é mercado negro por definição. Mas só funciona em mercados negros.


E como é que isso diminui exatamente o que eu disse?


De que serve a capitalização de mercado autorizada da Bitcoin se ela quebra a sua proposta de valor central? Todas estas transacções estão a ter lugar apenas com a permissão do Estado e devem seguir as suas regras. Nessa altura, mais vale usar dinheiro fiduciário.

“Tire o Bitcoin do mercado autorizado para ver como ele exponencia em crescimento no sem autorização.”

A frase acima não faz sentido. Isso seria o caso se fosse verdade de qualquer maneira, mas vemos Monero assumindo mercados não autorizados porque é melhor na proposta de valor do próprio Bitcoins.

Você e eu sabemos que a maior parte da liquidez do Bitcoin se move em trocas centralizadas e custodiantes. Se proibirmos isso amanhã, o preço cai como uma pedra.


O que quero dizer é que a utilização da Bitcoin de uma forma autorizada anula todo o objetivo da Bitcoin. Assim, toda a atividade económica da Bitcoin que ocorre nos mercados brancos é irrelevante.

O único uso relevante do Bitcoin é nos mercados negros. O Monero está a ultrapassar o Bitcoin nesses mercados.


E vejo pela tua resposta que não entendes o que quero dizer.

Se a sua transação de Bitcoin vai seguir todas as regras governamentais da moeda fiduciária para uma transação... então não faz sentido usar criptografia para essa transação. É pior do que fiat nesse ponto. Pelo menos com o fiat é mais rápido, mais barato e todos o aceitam.

Bitcoin é inerentemente dinheiro do mercado negro. O Monero está a tomar conta desses mercados. Espero que isso torne tudo mais claro.


Sim, tem razão, e se não seguir as regras do mercado branco com a sua transação de Bitcoin, já não é uma transação do mercado branco, pois não?

... Passa para a categoria de mercado negro. Avisa-me sempre que isto te der na cabeça.


O “nicho” dos Moneros é o único uso relevante para o valor dos Bitcoins. As suas transacções de Bitcoin no mercado branco podem ser censuradas, vigiadas e arbitrariamente reguladas.

Se você vai seguir todas as regras do mercado branco de qualquer maneira... Fiat é superior ao Bitcoin para as transações do mercado branco. São mais rápidas, mais baratas e são aceites por todos.


Not really clear to me why they are mutually exclusive or if this is even necessarily so 🤔


É irónico que se esteja a falar de traficantes quando o Monero está a substituir a Bitcoin nos mercados de droga da darknet.

Argumento estranho de qualquer forma, uma vez que o traficante de rua médio não está a aceitar Bitcoin. Eles aceitam o todo-poderoso dólar e rir-se-iam se lhes oferecessem Bitcoin.

Se é necessária a aprovação do governo para tornar a Bitcoin legítima, então não se percebe o objetivo da Bitcoin


O Monero está literalmente a deslocar o Bitcoin nos únicos mercados que não requerem autorização. A tua mente está podre. Você só fala sobre preço e esquece todo o ponto do Bitcoin.

Volte para suas raízes cypherpunk e conserte seu maldito blockchain de vigilância.


Hello Nostr!

This npub will now be a primary outlet for Bisq news and announcements.

New posts will be published here and then cross-posted to the bisq_network X handle.

Decommissioning X will be considered when this npub has more followers.

https://image.nostr.build/d22f07d646197146e2366f581046c3578d6cb90a9524212d076a2571840d91cc.jpg


Os factos não se importam com os seus sentimentos. A Bitcoin é uma blockchain de vigilância. O Monero não é.


O Monero é muito relevante nos únicos mercados em que a autorização não é necessária (mercados negros). Os mercados brancos, também conhecidos como mercados autorizados (onde o Bitcoin domina), são completamente irrelevantes para a sua proposta de valor.

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Permissionless-Principle


Mind posting your bank statements then? For transparency


"It's also possible to get much better privacy and less transparency on layer 2+"

Agree, which is why an L2 on an encrypted base would be ideal for private and anonymous transactions. FCMP enables that.

"None of your criticisms appear severe enough to sacrifice the money part of money."

Fungibility is also a money part of money. A transparent crypto introduces more friction to that being an MoE even if you have an L2 on top.

https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/ccf181ed168942446d16535fa01942fcb9f471b7b689c9d9f8d12839df0b629c.webp

https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/18459d728b1bbad4099cbb2f4980c06c22d12274dd46812fa098daf0fa16cca0.webp

https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/0f0150dfab9b18705528d59b928e44fada6843c483f95cb5f4717ffb91140f85.webp


Sim, nós já sabemos que você não sabe nada sobre cripto. Isso é óbvio, seu cabeça de coco.

Se você supostamente não se importa, por que você vai para comentários aleatórios sobre Monero e fala merda? Você é quem está desperdiçando seu próprio tempo, idiota 😂

Até Satoshi chama Bitcoin de cripto, seu retardado

https://image.nostr.build/2e1257fd89f3ba21f655c2dcb0a696f22905daf70f18dada9096c576f8ead65f.jpg


Os utilizadores não podem ser forçados a executar software nos seus computadores que não queiram. Essa é a essência do FOSS. Todos os utilizadores actuais do Monero estão a utilizá-lo porque querem. O mesmo vale para o Bitcoin. A qualquer momento podem trocar por outra criptomoeda e ninguém os pode impedir.

Se os utilizadores não gostarem do que os actuais programadores estão a fazer, abandonarão o software. Foi assim que o Monero surgiu em primeiro lugar.


Tudo tem contrapartidas. Nenhum deles oferece a mesma segurança que a camada de base do Bitcoin.

❌ Desvantagens do Líquido:
-Poucos utilizadores e adoção pelos comerciantes
-Quase nenhum conjunto de anonimato
-Não oculta o remetente
-Não esconde o destinatário
-Pode ser tecnicamente roubada, uma vez que se trata de uma assinatura múltipla que não é propriedade do utilizador

❌ Desvantagens do Lightning:
-Precisa de financiar os canais antes de os poder utilizar
-Não há endereços estáticos soberanos
-Pode ser roubado se o nó ficar offline
-Pode ser fechado à força na camada base contra a sua vontade (desperdiçando tempo e dinheiro)
-As transacções podem falhar
-Pagamentos maiores provavelmente falharão
-Forte falta de privacidade por defeito, especialmente para os destinatários, e ainda mais para os utilizadores de LSP

❌ Desvantagens do Lightning de Custódia:
-Pode ser roubado de
-Pode ser censurado
-Não há privacidade do guardião

✅ Nenhuma das desvantagens acima existe no Monero


Tudo o que faz é dizer disparates e fazer afirmações. Não apresenta quaisquer argumentos ou factos. Tenho a certeza que sabes muito pouco sobre o Monero, ou qualquer outra criptomoeda, em termos técnicos. Como o facto de ter quase a mesma quantidade de nós que o Bitcoin em todo o mundo.

Não passa de um papagaio.

https://monero.fail/map


Putting aside that important caveat ("IF you use pseudonymous correctly" - most users can't) anonymity is not privacy. It's a transparent blockchain.


Monero FCMP++. https://www.getmonero.org/2024/04/27/fcmps.html

https://m.primal.net/KpaY.png


"Still might work eventually."

Yes, maybe eventually it will be figured out. But right now it's inferior to Monero when it comes to private transactions.


LN ou liquid NÃO fornecem a mesma privacidade que Monero em qualidade ou simplicidade. Este é um facto óbvio. O Liquid nem sequer esconde o remetente ou o destinatário. Está mal informado ou está a mentir intencionalmente aos outros.

Tudo o que você precisa NÃO existe no ecossistema bitcoin. Esta mentalidade prejudica o Bitcoin.


#BTC  is the Honey pot🍯 to enter the highway of decentralization and banking  ownership

#XMR is the Exit to freedom & privacy road

#nostr #Bitcoin #monero
Photo Crédit : moneromaverick on X https://image.nostr.build/bebb6c670d8b9fa3de04589ec68ae943513432dcd1d5964d3eaae52f80c3f844.jpg


Silent payments are only for recipient privacy and it is more like obfuscation. Definitely an improvement, but doesn't help sender or amount privacy.

It doesn't work as well on a transparent chain. Counter party can still easily figure what address it went to. Even third parties can figure it out if they know 2 of 3: time of transaction, amount, or sender address


But you cant ever transact on Bitcoin privately. Different thing entirely from anonymity (technically Bitcoin is not even anonymous, but pseudonymous)


E alguns, como tu, têm uma cabeça de coco 😂


No entanto, não tem qualquer refutação da minha afirmação de que são VOCÊS, os geeks, que estão a impedir a simples experiência do utilizador de fazer transacções privadas. Não somos nós. Daí o meme.


Only? Bitcoin miners can apply targeted censorship to transactions and blacklist addresses because there is no privacy. Not possible with Monero. In that sense, and several others, Monero is MORE resistant to state power.


Nothing! Maybe have some Monero around if you need to do an anonymous transaction.


Verifiability is a different topic from privacy. In fact they are mutually exclusive if you want the absolute best of either one.

BTC guarantees the *possibility* of verifiability.
It does not guarantee freedom from double spends as bugs can happen before it is noticed or fixed. If a double spend bug is taken advantage of the damage is already done even if corrected afterwards. Real world goods and services would have already been traded.

With the upcoming FCMP++ upgrade second layers will become possible on Monero. And an ephmeral layer on top of an encrypted base layer is the best you can have if your goal is private transactions.

I agree we are all more allies than enemies, but maybe this antagonism on both side keeps each other honest. And if it pushes Bitcoin to take privacy more seriously then it's a good thing in my opinion.

https://bitnodes.io/


Use Bisq to swap BTC > XMR.

Wait awhile (at least a day or several)

Swap back to BTC in different amounts (not all at once) and at different times

The difficulty and necessity of doing it this way is due to Bitcoins transparency. Obviously if you were transacting on Monero none of this would be necessary.
Although it can be better privacy than on-chain Bitcoin, Liquid and Lightning do not provide the same robust privacy/anonymity and simplicity that Monero offers.

https://bisq.network/
https://haveno-reto.com/
https://unstoppableswap.net/
https://basicswapdex.com/
https://trocador.app/


“praticamente tudo o que o monero oferece em termos de privacidade pode ser alcançado dentro do ecossistema bitcoin usando liquid e lightning”

Isto é ridículo. O Liquid não esconde o remetente nem o destinatário e tem praticamente ZERO anonimato, uma vez que ninguém o utiliza. Em nenhum lugar perto da mesma privacidade robusta que o Monero oferece.

“Estes geeks não têm a mínima empatia com os normies”

Diz a pessoa que empurra lightning que requer uma centena de aros para saltar.
Com Monero, os usuários simplesmente pressionam o botão enviar ✨

“Quer fazer uma transação totalmente privada? Faça um peg-in para o líquido, envie-o, faça o peg-out ”

Esta é uma má informação para dar aos utilizadores. O líquido é ingenuamente rastreável, pois não esconde o fluxo de fundos

 https://image.nostr.build/67a5523f5f0989c3679807a03a582db9a3763bb58ad108c94a0b91ca1612899e.png


Bitcoin Core.
Estou trocando meu HD, e copiando a block chain inteira pra outro HD, rodo full node. Estou usando **rsync**.

Esse novo HD estaescta encriptado com luks.
Alguem sabe se vai perder muita performance por estar encriptados?

Demora mais garante mais, agora tbm terei espaço  pro node de Monero, não me julguem só quero ter uma alternativa a LN.
#bitcoin #monero

https://image.nostr.build/475fb1e2f3e11b1395586deaeae0909921de145010cbeeae21b878bb4a259b1c.jpg


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Bitcoin’s founding philosophy was to create a system independent of centralization, free from the control of states and financial institutions, where people could protect their financial freedom. Unfortunately, today the value and perception of Bitcoin are determined by the very forces that stand against this philosophy. The words of American presidents, global market trends, and the attitudes of major financial institutions have direct influence over Bitcoin prices. This represents a significant departure from Bitcoin’s original goals.

The only way to return to the core philosophy is through the combined use of Monero and Bitcoin. While Bitcoin has great potential as a store of value, it falls short when it comes to privacy. Monero, with its privacy-focused design, can fill this gap. Protecting financial privacy was a crucial part of Bitcoin’s original philosophy, and Monero plays a valuable role in this regard.

Thus, to protect our financial freedom and resist centralization, we must regularly bridge our assets between Bitcoin and Monero. Unfortunately, Bitcoin alone is no longer enough in this fight. If we want to return to the core philosophy and regain control, we need to support Bitcoin using Monero’s strong privacy features. The combined use of these two currencies will offer us a truly free financial system once again.

#bitcoin #monero #btc #xmr #nostr


Parece que não me lembro de uma secção de “investimento” em qualquer parte do livro branco da Bitcoins 🤔


Recent discussions among Bitcoin advocates spotlight the ongoing battle against government control over untraceable currencies, highlighting the struggle for financial freedom. As both Bitcoin and Monero face resistance, enthusiasts emphasize the need for collaboration in promoting decentralized money. #Bitcoin #studybitcoin


Can't speak on the rest but Monero is clearly taking over black markets. A place where Bitcoin once reigned supreme. The only markets where permissionless transactions are possible.

What happened to cassette tapes, CDs, Blockbuster, Sears, etc?
How are those old technologies and companies doing?
The market is a history full of new innovations overthrowing old paradigms
 https://image.nostr.build/89051b12605e3e8c119b550b078c7bab998ae841e88e97c3b156e99c029efc1c.jpg


Luke 'Kayaba' Parker - Private Smart Contracts: A Way to Bring Programmability to Monero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pGR03Fj5FE


You're changing the topic. All I said was Monero doesn't suffer from the high fee stuff. You claimed it did.


"The stuff you argue about for Bitcoin is the same stuff your other block chains will need to deal with once they get significant adoption. Which is unlikely ever to happen."

Not true.

Even with the same traffic Monero would have similar fees as it does right now because of dynamic blocksize. The reason Bitcoin fees get high when more people are trying to use it is users are bidding on limited block space to get their transactions in.


Buying Monero now feels like buying Bitcoin many years ago.

With all the regulations and bullshit they're pushing on us almost everywhere in the world, the need for privacy coins will sure go up in the next months/years.

Might be a good idea to stack some anyway.

#Bitcoin
#xmr


:monero:


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Bisq or Haveno.
Or swap from another crypto using something like Trocador.

https://bisq.network/
https://haveno-reto.com/
https://trocador.app/


"Bitcoin's limited privacy and therefore its lack of fungibility meant that middlemen would have to come back to haunt Bitcoin users. ...With a fungible currency like Monero, a merchant doesn't have to pay a middleman to check the history of the coins being used as payment."

Rucknium / EPI 323

https://video.nostr.build/6c5bcbe88ae95b5c0e49eda75e0d800541bffde3da156fd3bcc999be2917e49f.mp4

Link: https://youtube.com/live/fXoiYmrXYJc


"Bitcoin's limited privacy and therefore its lack of fungibility meant that middlemen would have to come back to haunt Bitcoin users. ...With a fungible currency like Monero, a merchant doesn't have to pay a middleman to check the history of the coins being used as payment."

Rucknium / EPI 323

Link: https://youtube.com/live/fXoiYmrXYJc

https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/113/102/597/250/261/051/original/cafff3a31a88787e.mp4


Regardless of if he believes it's a shitcoin or not... the elephant in the room remains. It still does something that Bitcoin cannot.
All without sacrificing custody, permissionless transactions, or UX like the various other layers that are pushed.


No problem

As for the ATM cams you can get some anonymity by wearing a hat, sunglasses, and even a face mask (not as weird to do anymore thanks to the pandemic). Maybe even a full balaclava or ski mask in the winter 😂

I also like the idea of selling stuff or working for it directly if you can


I would say something like Bisq, Haveno, Robosats

All P2P, behind Tor, and no-KYC

Make your own offers if you want it cheap (the trade-off though is you'll likely have to wait for someone to take it)


That's what I got out of it too.

Don't use centralized exchanges either!
Not even Monero can protect your privacy from anything that happens external to it's blockchain.


You can't see amounts and addresses on-chain

Monero stealth addresses make it so every Monero user is equally likely to have been the receiver

It also uses pedersen commitments so its amount privacy is quantum computer proof

Addresses are also quantum computer proof *if* an adversary doesn't have access to the original address - meaning if you privately DM shortwave your Monero address on something like SimpleX (which uses quantum-resistant encryption), mail them it, or show them your address in person, that is also safe from an extreme scenario like quantum computers.

That's why it's so great. Don't take my word for it though. I encourage you to fact check me on all this.


Do you have a link for onyx?


I think the analogy of Bitcoin being digital gold and monero digital cash is proper.

Monero is really good for private payments that's for sure and I'm well aware of it.


"Have fun cooking trying to pretend your platform is "decentralized" but yet is a business making entity"

Do you have extra chromies homie?
There is no contradiction whatsoever


"There is a possibility with the setup of relays you could have communities who can't / don't want to be found. I suppose this is unknown"

Interesting, didn't think about this possibility


"might be the user"
"no strong indications"
"I don't feel confident"
"we have to keep in mind that's just one possibility...we do not know with any certainty..."
"not many bread crumbs to follow"

Totally traced


Seems like you didn't even watch the video

"might be the user"
"no strong indications"
"I don't feel confident"
"we have to keep in mind that's just one possibility...we do not know with any certainty..."
"not many bread crumbs to follow"


This is a pretty good point. Bitcoin is built to be accountable, which is at odds with privacy goals. Lightning is a good addition of complexity, but without guarantees.

I feel like Bitcoin is appropriately built for use by governments and institutions, which allows the people to sousveil activity. This is an extremely important feature as Bitcoin grows in adoption.

For more privacy-oriented money, scalability and trading liquidity are essential along with mathematical privacy guarantees.
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Liquid has virtually zero anonymity set and doesn't hide sender or receiver


Leaked Chainalysis Monero Tracing

There's a video that's being so weakly censored that it might be on purpose, of an internal meeting of Chainalysis presenting to law enforcement of how they trace Monero.

I'm NOT going to link to the video because it's got some IP addresses of the malicious nodes that Chainalysis runs, which will bring unwanted pressure on our clearweb Linux tech support website.  The goal of our organization is NOT to get you to run a darknet market, it's to get fundamental privacy rights with technology.

But I must say this, the way Chainalysis was effective in catching darknet market guys, was when they swapped Monero to Bitcoin.  And so the people who push for Bitcoin only, are really pushing for a world where you need a ph.D in computer science to be private.

Now you're saying "oh but I'm not running a darknet market, so why do I need that level of privacy?"  But if Bitcoin goes to the moon like you say it will, there will be tax implications of this.  Everytime you buy a coffee, there's capital gains tax up or down.  This will crush the use of it in the real world as money, unless it's private enough that it can't be enforced.

If Bitcoin becomes as popular as you say it will, there will be a violent response from the state to crush it.  And so I'm telling you if you don't care about privacy for people with low technical skills, then Bitcoin is really just an ETF.


Depends what country you're in and what you mean by "best" (cheap/quick? most trustless?), but here are a few more options

With fiat: Bisq, Haveno-reto, Robosats

With crypto: Trocador, BasicswapDEX, UnstoppableSwap

Also:
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1) Crypto ATMs might be a good option for some. They require minimal info like an email or phone number below a certain amount usually (plenty of sites to use burner emails/phone number) and you can pay with cash. Any popular crypto works, ideally one with lower transaction fees, because you can just swap it to Monero after:

https://coinatmradar.com/

3) Be an Amazon proxy. Buyer doesn't know your address, Amazon doesn't know you're being paid in Monero.

https://monezon.com/

2) Sell something or work for it directly:

https://moneromarket.io/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://bounties.monero.social/
https://t.me/moneromarket
https://t.me/MoneroJobs
https://monerica.com/

4) If someone you know already buys crypto off major exchanges, doesnt care about KYC, and doesnt plan on stopping - ask if they will be your crypto dealer. You get no-KYC crypto, they get a small premium for doing it (presumably). Win-win.


Look, it’s pretty simple:

If the state can identify you, it can target and kill you.

Doesn’t matter why, it just can.

There is a reason Satoshi was anonymous and why bitcoin isn’t an LLC.

That’s because if you don’t have a physical space or identity to be located, the state can’t physically or economically harm you. With cryptography, you actually have a shot at hiding from the state, and building things that they cannot stop.


Yes, don't buy Monero it's a dangerous shitcoin! Use Wallet of Satoshi instead!
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There isn't privacy...it's a transparent ledger. There is potential anonymity. That's different from privacy.

I said they might lack the will and knowledge. It's not necessarily laziness. They might be oblivious that you can. They could find it economically not worth the transaction costs. They might need to transact relatively quickly and not have the time, etc.

If you create a car and that car requires the driver to be an engineer to drive it, spend more money and time than any other car to use it, maybe you shouldn't blame the customers.

Maybe your car just sucks.


I think a good way to have the best of both is to have two computers and keep them totally separate. One only for work/normie stuff, one for everything else. Although not everyone can do this. Some dual boot and have different OSs on one computer.

That being said Linux has come a long way in respect to user-friendliness and modern feel. Linux Mint, PopOS, and ZorinOS come to mind in particular.


Something the vast majority of users will never do because they lack the knowledge or will (relatively expensive, time-consuming, tedious)

Do you coinjoin every transaction? Otherwise, every counter party you transact with can see your balances and potentially follow them going forward. Unless you trust every single person and entity you transact with. But the general aim of crypto is you shouldn't have to trust anyone.


It's called Garnet. Supports both Monero and Lightning, but if you prefer Amethyst or another client just put a Monero address somewhere in your profile and any Garnet user can one-click tip any of your notes

There are a few users, but still some work that needs to be done and it's lagging behind a bit on updates

https://github.com/retrnull/garnet

https://bounties.monero.social/posts/147/garnet-maintenance-sync-upstream-new-icons-resolve-amethyst-dual-install-conflict-etc


The Monero (XMR) is clearly the best privacy coin worldwide. No other can beat it.

By the way I decline casino, but if you love Las Vegas, NV (US), Macau (China) or Valetta (Malta) and gambling, do it!
You'll find the link in the comment!

#monero #xmr #cryptocurrency #privacycoin #nokyc #anonymous #casino #gambling

https://www.crypto-news-flash.com/the-importance-of-privacy-no-kyc-casino-rollblock-monero-xmr-and-zcash-zec-see-huge-monthly-gains/


The absolute digital scarcity without a long term economic model to secure the ideia, the $BTC maxis are believing in a rainbow🌈 unicorn 🦄 money 💸 hoping a magical fairy 🧚 comes and magically secure BTC without spending the coins and ossifying 🦴 the protocol for eternity.

While Monero bros prefer a predictable, continuos uniform issuance, also deflationary, the "Tail Emission", that secure the network for eternity, while guarantying that spending coins as like saving is not linked to survival of the economic model of the base of a P2P cash system.


Not to mention that the fallacious "absolutely scarce supply = more valuable" implication is in direct contradiction to their often self-professed Austrian econ subjective-theory-of-value roots

Supply is only one part of value. You can't control demand.


Yes, I believe you're referring to LWS? (Light wallet server)

I believe Moneronodo will be plug-and-play if you want a convenient way to do that (not sure when it's going to be available)

https://github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws

https://moneronodo.com/


"En todos los casos, salvo en Bitcoin, el resultado es que estos tokens han sido ofrecidos por empresas privadas a clientes, con el objetivo de gestionarlos de forma que se genere un beneficio a corto o medio plazo."

Estás muy mal informado o mientes por una narrativa conveniente

No hay ninguna empresa detrás de Monero. No es un valor. No hay "premine" ni "developer tax". No es que importe. Su apelación es a la definición de una agencia gubernamental de un valor y parece estar en contra de un mercado libre de dinero. Si Bitcoin es tan bueno, que compita en un mercado libre de criptomonedas por sus propios méritos.

La emisión de Monero es descentralizada, predecible, y requiere Proof-of-work al igual que Bitcoin. No se puede imprimir Monero de la nada. También hay un puñado de otras monedas como esta. No es exclusivo de Bitcoin, por lo que es un punto extraño.

La minería de Monero también está posiblemente más descentralizada que Bitcoin porque cualquiera con un ordenador puede minar si quiere. También tiene una cantidad similar de nodos en todo el mundo como Bitcoin.

https://monero.fail/map


This was an edge case and only kind of helped because the user connected to a Chainalysis Monero node and swapped on centralized exchanges. No crypto can keep you private if you do those things not even Monero.

Even then if you watched the video notice he says:
"might be the user",
"no strong indications"
"I don't feel confident"
"we have to keep in mind that's just one possibility...we do not know with any certainty..."
"not many bread crumbs to follow"

They're basically just grasping. It wasn't actually deterministically traced just *possible* leads


They're visible to everyone in the world, both your addresses and amounts, just not tied to you (yet) if you did it correctly and make no future mistakes

That's anonymity, not privacy. And weakly anonymous at that (pseudonymous)

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First point is moot because Bitcoin doesn't scale.
Lightning doesn't even scale.
You can say it's *more* scalable, but can't handle onboarding even a fraction of the world. If you think L2s will eventually make Bitcoin scale then the same applies to L2s built on Monero.

The inverse is also true. You can't have a perfectly verifiable blockchain and the best transactional privacy.
Nothing is forcing you to only use one of them for everything either so it's a false choice.

Except Ecash is custodial and each mint fractures it's anon set. Monero is non-custodial and has a unified anon set. You can also use Ecash on Monero if that's what you want. And it doesn't have the privacy leaks possible that lightning/ecash have since they're built on a transparent base.

It's kind of funny you stress verifiability but then suggest ecash for privacy which has worse verifiability than Monero


not possible i dont think, but if you try and tip other and dont have a balance on Garnet it will ask if you want to use an external wallet on your phone to tip


No specific format necessary but look at my profile as an example


Nope. You don't have to be online to receive funds.


Those who feel threatened


Odd 🤔

I use Antenna Pod and it's on there


Or maybe they just know every tool has it's place while you are here trying to use a hammer for every job...


:monero:


"they don’t scale on a layer 1 blockchain"
Has nothing to do with it's privacy

"It works OK today just because few people use it."
Lightning doesn't scale either

"Ecash + lightning is a much better"
Ecash is agnostic to any chain and its already possible to have Monero Ecash (in fact a Bitcoiner is building it)
Upcoming FCMP++ brings L2s to Monero and L2s on an encrypted basechain is even better for privacy than one built on a transparent basechain


A Chainalysis investigator highlights Monero's advantages over Bitcoin, emphasizing its privacy features amid growing governmental scrutiny of Bitcoin's public ledger. The discussion critiques centralized finance and suggests Bitcoin as a potential disruptor of traditional political systems, advocating for its broader understanding and adoption. #Bitcoin #studybitcoin


Seems like you often divert to other issues completely unrelated to bitcoins privacy throughout this whole video
"Yes, Monero is private, Bitcoin isn't, BUT...[non-sequitur about money]...Bitcoin already won...also here is a privacy browser, protonmail, Signal..."
??????

"Money is a winner-take-all game and has already won this game"
Bitcoin isn't money by definition (the most saleable good)

"Are you going to hide in the tiny anonymity set of Monero?"
*Mentions L-BTC as a solution even though it has near zero anonymity set and doesn't hide sender/reciever*


I don't think so, but if you add any Monero address to your profile any Garnet users can one-click tip you Monero


Tell that to users like Roman Sterlingov

https://www.torekeland.com/roman-sterlingov/


More up-to-date Monero Matteo podcasts:

https://www.youtube.com/@moneromatteo6845/videos


A few I didn't see anyone mention

Monero/Bitcoin/crypto privacy:

https://www.youtube.com/@ungovernablemisfits/videos

https://odysee.com/@MoneroMatteo:b?view=content

https://alexanarcho.live/podcast/tags/season-2

https://hackyourself.io/option-plus-podcast/

https://www.youtube.com/@stackwallet/videos

General privacy:

https://www.youtube.com/@MentalOutlaw/videos

https://www.youtube.com/@Sam_Bent/featured

https://odysee.com/@NaomiBrockwell:4?view=content


Pretty damn good considering it's only 0.2% of Bitcoins mcap but hovers near 5% of it's daily transaction count


Fiat issuance is centralized, unpredictable, and arbitrary

Monero issuance is the exact opposite of those three. Shares more similarities to gold.

A fixed supply also doesn't guarantee value. You can't control demand.

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Scarcity-Fallacy


Haveno Reto pretty much but it's still very small and new. You can still use Bisq too. Or swap to it from another crypto using Trocador

https://haveno-reto.com/

https://trocador.app/en/


Yea I think Gabriel talks about Monero often enough when it's relevant, but it's never been his focus from what I can tell. He talks about privacy broadly and cultural/political topics more recently. I did think him not releasing the Cake Wallet/tuxsudo interview was kind of weird...


Not quite what you're looking for but as close as I can find. Maybe you can make a Patreon-like page on one of these in the meanwhile until you find something better

https://xmrchat.com/

https://kuno.anne.media/

https://xmrbazaar.com/


Sim, eu sei, estava apenas a acrescentar algo mais ao que disse


was a thing*


I see I didn't know this a thing


Stop making some weird appeal to "longtime student of bitcoin"
It means nothing. Just because you've been a "student of Bitcoin" doesn't mean you don't have blindspots or can't be retarded.

"it can only be done ONCE"
Tell the darknet markets that. Bitcoin had first mover advantage AND network effect. Didn't matter. Monero still took over on the only truly free markets that exist and only place where permissionless transactions are possible.

"absolute scarcity" doesn't automatically mean anything. Value is a function of supply AND DEMAND. Bitcoiner *should* know by now that value is subjective and the market is constantly reevaluating. Value is not fixed just because scarcity is.

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Scarcity-Fallacy


No such thing as "bitcoin only" in nostr...
Devs from all projects welcome; XMR folks already have zaps, afaik


The EU has forgotten the German Empire from January 30 1933 until May 08 1945.

The EU cannot impose chat control, cuz Simple X Chat is decentralized for example.
They cannot also impose limit on anonymous payments, cuz Monero (XMR) isn't only decentralized and anonymous, they use much more the FCMP++ in combination with Bulletproofs++ in the future, so no one can control them.

Every citizen doesn't need politicians and they doesn't need being dependent of the third persons, they can decide and take action themselves without wait for hope.

Here's the list of further XMR possibilities.

https://monerica.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1eaxja0/eu_set_to_ban_all_anonymous_cryptocurrency/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

#monero #xmr #cryptocurrency #individualism #realdemocracy #eu #chatcontrol #payments #financial #economy #politics


Fuck your expensive surveillance NFT


Just curious about why that would be a problem?


the #ecash hype brought me into #monero 's arms. i'm grateful for that. and i know of many others but they don't admit it publicly. i don't want to be misinterpreted. there's no cynicsm here.  i use ecash for small amount transactions myself and it's fun but it did help me understand that scaling is just not possible. you can't solve the trilemma and you don't have to obsessively built everything on bitcoin. with ecash you already moved so far away from bitcoin that bitcoin does basically nothing for you anymore. you now have custodians, middlemen, inflating the supply cap etc. at this point you can just use #monero , seriously.


I think both of you make good points, but there are other L2s that exist besides lightning/ecash, and potential future ones we just aren't aware of yet, that still preserve self-custody that we could use on Monero if necessary


:monero:


Monero will need eCash eventually for micro payments. Monero does give users greater privacy from the mint though. This might be it's biggest advantage over Bitcoin eCash.


O Monero já refutou o erro da “vantagem do pioneiro” e dos “efeitos de rede”. O Bitcoin tinha ambas as vantagens para os mercados da darknet, mas o Monero está a assumir o controlo. Portanto, é óbvio que esta não é uma lei universal da física. Os mercados mudam de ideias e são inconstantes.

Lembre-se que os mercados da darknet são os únicos mercados verdadeiramente livres e o único lugar onde as transacções podem ocorrer sem permissão. As propriedades únicas e relevantes do Bitcoin que o distinguem da moeda fiduciária não são transferidas para os mercados brancos.


If everyone ran their own mints they would have no anon set. The whole point is to have many users using a mint so you have a large anonymity set.

I'm not necessarily against ecash because it makes custodial better and you can do some cool stuff with it that Monero cant. But you're still trusting a mint and it's custodial until you withdraw even with redeem.cashu.me There is no point at which Monero is custodial. It's directly p2p


Some people prefer it over ecash because Monero is non-custodial
Some people prefer it over ln because the UX is simple

"bitcoin has a fixed supply, monero hasn’t, this difference between them is enough to understand that monero will never ever surpass bitcoin":
https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Scarcity-Fallacy


Lightning is not truly onion-routing. Tor's network is fully-connected; every node on Tor is directly connected (or has the potential to directly connect) with every other node. Payment channels do not fully-connect the entire network, and the network topology is publicly known for routing nodes.

If you buy BTC from a non-KYC exchange and store it on a cold wallet, people knowing your balance and where it went means they can potentially follow it going into the future whenever you spend it. Future counter parties can also see where it came from.

Monero is not "just a little easier to use privately". Bitcoins privacy is entirely non-existent. It's a transparent ledger. You're conflating privacy with anonymity. Lacking in one opens attack vectors for the other.


This is true of any payment method you would use. It's not unique to Monero.

Monero also never claims to protect the privacy of things external to it's blockchain. No crypto or L2 can.


Where will the transaction fees be coming from if users will be on L2s paying a vanishingly small fraction of on-chain fees?

All L2s so far are custodial, permissioned transactions, or have horrible UX


Monero supply issuance is predictable, decentralized, and requires PoW

Fiat does not


Perfect Forward Secrecy
SimpleX: Yes
Signal: Yes
Session: No
Threema: Yes


"I’m sorry, but that’s a very poor argument that has no value in the real world, only in some silly hypothetical. (I.e. in practice it actually just works very easily)"
Let's say I'm wrong and put aside the "passive" noderunners thing for the moment for the sake of argument, what I also said is that the vast majority of Bitcoin users don't run a node so are simply trusting others . And in those cases they are in a similar situation, if not worse, than Monero noderunners. Maybe you didn't see it, but like I told BitcoinStu, I don't disagree with anything you're saying about Bitcoin noderunnners.

"It would be extremely obvious if a node software didn’t do the simple job of auditing"
It's not so obvious to me. We have several examples in Bitcoins history where it wasn't necessarily so obvious to everyone running a node. This one required some random anon to even point it out to devs before anyone realized what was going on.
bitcoincore.org/en/2018/09/20/notice

"Funny that you use that example actually, because something like Monero doesn’t get that benefit. If the BTC audit was messed up you *could* check it very easy on pen and paper"
I never claimed that it did. And I agree you *could* with Bitcoin but who *does* in the real world, honestly? If a couple users do this, and do so often, how does it change the fact that 99.9% aren't verifying themselves? They can't claim the benefits of a transparent chain as you are saying because they never take advantage of those properties. I can shout until I'm blue in the face that I *can* do something, but I never actually did it until I *do* it.

"You’d have to disallow any and all use of the old system, essentially a reset, because broken cryptography means you now have no clue how many coins there are"
Pretty sure Zcash kept their supply sound and got around this scenario by using turnstiles, but not an ideal solution for sure (exploiters can leave legit user SooL)

I think we can agree that each method isn't perfect and has it's own downsides (basechain privacy vs basechain auditability)
Each project has different priorities and I think they should follow them to their conclusions
At least that will show us what works in practice (maybe they'll each succeed in a different way)

If I can ultimately transact with strong privacy, on Monero or some layer of Bitcoin, without any severe trade-offs to self-custody or permissionlessness, it's a win/win for me.


I think we're talking past each other and arguing different points


I know and I see that. But it still doesn't avoid that the vast majority of Bitcoiners don't do this. They don't even run a node.

For those that do (and do so often) I already agreed they have a reasonable argument against Monero if they want the best possible verifiability/auditability


But what if you're the vast majority of Bitcoiners that never do that "simple arithmetic"

You just keep bragging to us that you can (but don't ever do it)


I'm pointing out that if this is your argument against Monero there is little difference between that and the vast majority of Bitcoiners in practice.

How many Bitcoiners run nodes?
How many of those node runners are actively verifying it's transparent input/outputs- 0.001%?
Far fewer than you make it seem.

An advantage that one never takes advantage of...is not an advantage


In other words you're trusting proper software implementation and other Bitcoiners to verify for you. Double spend bugs have already happened in the past that passive node runners didn't detect on Bitcoin and can happen again. Only "manual verifiers" are relevant and unique in this regard and have a real argument. If you don't do this you are not much different from any Monero node runner.

The last part is basically: "Yea I'm strong because my friend lifts weights"

To keep to the analogy, while your one friend can help you lift something heavy once in awhile, that doesn't make *you* strong, and you're still trusting/relying on him to lift heavy things for you (relying on a few other Bitcoiners to verify for you AKA trusting)


That Bitcoin is an expensive surveillance NFT with a future mining security problem


You can't force governments to use Bitcoin.
You can't force people to use Bitcoin.
And if you're relying on the political process to secure Bitcoin then it is unnecessary because that is what fiat already is - money secured by politics.


It's hard to like something, or accept inconvenient truths, if your bags depend on it


Even if you don't use Garnet, if you have any old Monero address in your profile somewhere, Garnet users can one-click tip any of your notes they see


Actually, you can do both - send/receive zaps with lightning AND tip with Monero on #Garnet ☝🤓

Options 👌

Still a work-in-progress though

https://github.com/retrnull/garnet


You *can* verify the entire ledger yourself, but *do* you?

Your argument is akin to saying "I'm not fat because I *can* lift weights (but don't)"

Being able to do something, but never doing it, is functionally indistinguishable. Otherwise you're just trusting others.

The few that do actually audit are able to truly say that, but passive Bitcoin node runners have no/much weaker arguments against Monero. Most Bitcoiners don't even run a node let alone manually verify.


#CBDC is a state instrument.
#Bitcoin is a surveillance NFT.
#Monero is ecash.

Here is American Nobel prize winning economist Milton Friedman explaining the difference:
https://m.primal.net/KRFM.mov


You're using a primals custodial lightning wallet

A 3rd party can still see them which is no different from traditional banks. Privacy from the general public, but not the bank (and any potential 3-letter agencies that "persuade" them)


I see boating accidents waiting to happen ⛵💥


Don't buy Monero https://image.nostr.build/7e5e51197dc5936143de4d7419c88abc1d27feee0b7608227d73c9460309a2eb.jpg https://image.nostr.build/f21bcfe2adde7396702d61fce39a0396d2e6dec48441ecb6a84dffe5b29a0a30.jpg


In that case passively running a node is not a real audit either. Did go through a billion+ transactions and make sure every input/output canceled out? Or are you just trusting your node software to do it correctly for you? If so, what is the difference in practice?


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Check my follows and followers

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Any Monero people here? I want to follow you!

nostr:npub14a6q6xvt4wuv0wpdpfr336e4fweldtu6np3ehpw55h83xuw2h2zsgyz6rn who else is a privacy maxi?


Light this up and send a message. Show the devs the demand for #Monero integration on #Nostr

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Bitcoin is crypto

https://image.nostr.build/d0caf1fbf38b76f7d892e76aadde0792ec9fd1be7806a02657f724984bad719d.jpg


Garnet has a lot of promise but is lagging behind hard. Didn't know about the weird licensing stuff either. Needs a lot of work, but seems relatively simple for the most part.


Garnet dev didn't even forked amethyst.
He copied the code and created another repo
The build instructions are not working
And he asks for money even for changing the app id


I'm not opposed to monero, bitcoin and liquid support (see my profile), but when it comes to garnet, I stopped caring about garnet ever since I realized it's build process depended on a module by retrnull whose license is not a standard open source license
https://i.nostr.build/YeVcuvQzQytXH4bw.png

nostr:npub1f6ugxyxkknket3kkdgu4k0fu74vmshawermkj8d06sz6jts9t4kslazcka can you fork garnet, modify app/build.gradle, set the applicationId on line 11, build and sideload the apk?
https://i.nostr.build/tX91PGwblVEfoM5x.png


nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z, can you please implement a #Monero wallet into Amethyst (à la garnet)? I miss daily driving the lastest #Amethyst, and the demand for #Monero integration is demonstrably solid.


Nothing is broadcast to the Nostr network by default. The same thing as normally sending someone Monero. It just makes tipping someone on Nostr more convenient. Also, if you have a Monero address somewhere on your profile any Garnet user can one-click tip any of your notes.


It's also the default tip mode 👌


Realized I didn't answer your question fully

"why is monero?"
Because Monero is the largest privacy coin by far. Bitcoin is easier to surveil and trace. Amounts and addresses aren't even visible on Moneros blockchain.


It's not the relays. Its amethyst. Amethyst has a spam filtering tool built in that allows you to keep a block list and a blocked words list, but it also distributes a list that is in there that you can't see, which is unethical IMO. I figured this out when I tried to talk to someone that was blocked in there, I tried to unblock him but he kept getting auto blocked. Blocks are put together from user reports of accounts. The whole thing is pretty opaque. If they want to distribute lists they should be visible to users so they can remove users and words from blocklists.

Since garnet just merges upstream and does not change any of this functionality it inherits these features. I've considered opening an issue to make word and block lists visible, but I wanted to see some other issues closed out first so as not to overwhelm the maintainer. There was an amethyst fork a while back that I used that took that stuff out, but it is now unmaintained. Personally I'd just make them visible, since I like avoiding spam and CP and whatever else and I like the collaborative approach to filtering that amethyst does, nostr is wide open wrt spam as long as relays and clients don't implement PoW, but I should be able to see what I'm being prevented from seeing by default so I can decide if I want to see it or not. Imagine they put "Monero" in that hidden words list, that would break garnet, it should be a priority to make that stuff visible and editable by users.


Good morning ☕

https://image.nostr.build/9e6e3a0f8c3c50e920b2b308655fec3982a8113edbf0fe90e32ff580ae4db5ed.jpg

Lightning is bitcoins last hope for any privacy without compromising your threat model by trusting a mint with ecash. The problem with lightning is apparent to everyone who has been consistent and attempted to run their own self sovereign lightning node. Everyone who has gets burned. That, among numerous other reasons, is why you see people opting for #monero.

#privacy #freedom #xmr


Both camps hold a lot of common ideals (decentralization, permissionlessness, sovereignty, privacy, etc) just passionate disagreement on the best way to achieve them

There is a lot of overlap between bitcoiners and monero users


Zano is cool. They're doing their own experiment. More options the better. If Monero fails for whatever reason other chains can carry the torch.


Even pros can and do fuck up OPSEC. Bitcoin just introduces extra ways to fuck up that are not possible with Monero (like amount analysis and address correlation)


"...Since Bitcoin is so bad for privacy?"

Your whole claim was that Bitcoin is private. It's not.

Now you're switching up your argument to anonymity (Bitcoin isn't even truly anonymous, it's weakly pseudonymous). A blockchain that is anonymous AND private would be ideal for OPSEC. Lack of privacy weakens your ability to stay anonymous.


## The Need for Monero Integration in Nostr Clients

As the Nostr ecosystem continues to evolve, it's crucial to address a significant gap: the lack of #Monero integration. Currently, #Garnet stands as the only Nostr client that supports Monero, but it faces several challenges that hinder its viability and adoption.

### Why Monero?

Monero offers superior privacy compared to Bitcoin, making it an ideal choice for users who value anonymity and confidentiality. Integrating Monero into Nostr clients can enhance the overall privacy of the protocol.

### The Challenges with Garnet

Garnet is currently the primary driver of Monero adoption within the Nostr ecosystem. However, its limitations mean that this effort is not as effective as it could be.

1. **Limited Development Team**: The development team behind Garnet is too small, which can lead to slower updates and less support.
2. **Package Name Conflicts**: Due to package name conflicts, users cannot install both Garnet and Amethyst simultaneously, limiting user choice.
3. **Outdated Fork**: Garnet is forked from an outdated version of #Amethyst, which means it may lack the latest features and improvements.
4. **Dependence on Amethyst**: Garnet's development is closely tied to Amethyst, making it difficult for Garnet to establish its own identity.

### How You Can Help

To foster a more private ecosystem, we need more developers to step up and integrate Monero into their clients. Here’s how you can help:

- **Read Garnet's Source Code**: Study Garnet's source code to understand how Monero is integrated and use this knowledge to develop your own Monero-enabled Nostr clients.
- **Develop a Specification**: Collaborate on writing a specification for using Monero with Nostr. This will provide a clear roadmap for other developers to follow, ensuring consistency and ease of implementation.
- **Promote Monero Adoption**: Encourage other developers to adopt Monero in their Nostr clients.


You're being dishonest it's not the same. One makes things more difficult one makes them easier.

SoV has nothing to do with OPSEC or private transactions. Bitcoin can be $1 trillion per coin and still suck for privacy. In fact, it's a bad point for you to bring up because the only real time-tested SoV we have is gold which is private. Multiple millennia vs ~15 years


And does a tool that makes part of that OPSEC easier to do and maintain make that goal easier or more difficult?


What does anonymity have to do with privacy? Maybe learn the difference. Satoshis is anonymous but his transactions are completely public.

https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/90ea5272b3c03ba24be742349416c2b104f10d8956181a41c31bd524c9f5ff12.webp


Sim, mas troca-o de volta para Bitcoin num momento aleatório no futuro (horas/dias depois - não imediatamente após a mudança para Monero) e não o converte todo de volta para a mesma quantia. Divida-o em dois ou três “pedaços” de tamanhos diferentes.

Lembre-se de usar uma VPN ou Tor


Exactly. All things equal the same user would have a more difficult time maintaining their opsec as a whole by using Bitcoin vs Monero. An inconvenient truth they don't acknowledge.


TIL Gupax is not really maintained anymore but there's Gupaxx (a fork) which is, that includes the XMRvsBeast hashrate raffle and will (hopefully) embed a local node for maximum cypherpunk mode. #monero #mining https://github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx


If you are looking for general household items for #Monero consider giving my store a look.

https://xmrbazaar.com/user/AuroraGeneralStore/


All things equal the average user is much more likely to make mistakes trying to be private on Bitcoin vs Monero

The rest is cope


This is like saying everyone should learn proper engineering before driving cars. If someone needs to learn engineering to use your car, your car sucks bro.


Monero has fossilized narrative and evolving codebase. Bitcoin has evolving narrative and fossilized codebase.


Much better sender privacy

FCMP++ replaces ring signatures. Potential senders in a transaction go up from 16 to 100,000,000

Plus a lot of other cool things like transaction chain (2nd layers become possible), outgoing view keys, and forward secrecy

https://www.getmonero.org/2024/04/27/fcmps.html


There are already steganographic methods available to use Tor without the network knowing you are using it i.e. bridges/webtunnel

https://blog.torproject.org/introducing-webtunnel-evading-censorship-by-hiding-in-plain-sight/


Once FCMP is deployed, #Monero will be the uncontestable #privacy #crypto king! nostr:note1yw9cy8fwgpr7nxtz9nmzsdkh75mvh2asjwzd7ygfhm4za68ktn0sjpanv4


You don't like ring signatures either? Well you're in luck my friend!

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Why should I care about Arweave websites?

Arweave offers unprecedented freedom for both the website visitor and the content creator.

For the website visitor, it’s unprecedented privacy. Never before in the history of the internet has the website VISITOR been able to pick the location, ISP, and jurisdiction where they want to RECEIVE the content FROM. In other words, you pick what gateway (and therefore under what terms) you will look at their stuff.

Normally, you’re forced to submit to whatever server the content creator wants. Which usually means forced Cloudflare and AWS.

Even better, once it moves out of testnet, you’ll be able to self-host your own gateway. In other words, you can SELF-HOST THEIR website, and then only you see your VPN/Tor exit.

Creator
For the content creator, it’s unparalleled power with: censorship resistance, a CDN, a DNS identity, with no clear-path to a take-down. You can do whatever you want, and governments can’t control you. Even better than that, because it’s permanent, it can serve up unmodified code in a Github type situation, or it can be a legally binding contract for full-blown crypto-anarchy.

How’s it work?
It’s file storage directly on the layer-1 blockchain, so it works like Bitcoin Ordinals but it scales. It can store anything, including websites or videos. And it has gateways around the world, acting as a CDN.

Who cares about this CDN?
The problem with the regular internet is Cloudflare acts as the middle-man for all websites and sees all passwords. However, to not use centralized CDNs exposes one to DDoS. By putting it on the blockchain and having different gateways serve it up, it frees the visitor and the creator from Big Tech, censorship, and having Cloudflare own all passwords.

How’s the blockchain work?
So there’s two aspects to this, first is how is it stored on the blockchain (Proof of Work). And second is how is it distributed to the website viewer (Proof of Stake).

Proof of Work Storage

https://simplifiedprivacy.com/posts/arweave/Arweave-QA/images/proof-of-work.jpg

The storage runs on modified Proof of Work using RandomX (Which Monero also uses). Just like Monero, Arweave uses RandomX to force mining to be done on regular computer hardware, and keep out abuse that can rig the way data is put into blocks. But unlike Monero which is just cash, Arweave is a decentralized business that generates revenue.

BitTorrent Pool

Customers pay for 100 years of storage which goes into a pool (they use the word “endowment”, but it’s not controlled like that). This pool pays out nodes to store the data. They share data with each other using BitTorrent, in a way that incentivizes them to share it with as many other nodes as possible. Then they are randomly asked to produce data, to prove that they have it.

Proof of Stake CDN

https://simplifiedprivacy.com/posts/arweave/Arweave-QA/images/arweave-global.png

The CDN gateways are run by a different project, ar.io (IO tokens) which are Proof of Stake. The gateways stake IO, which gets slashed if they serve malicious fake content. Like say you put up your Monero wallet or PGP Key, and they serve up their own wallet or key. The other gateways can decide what defines malicious content in a vote, and so having the coin be Proof of Stake keeps out malicious attacks. One CAN run a gateway WITHOUT staking, but then the gateway doesn’t get rewarded.

PoS debate

Proof of Stake is controversial, because you’re raising the requirements to scale new locations. However, if there was 0 barrier to entry, then the government could run unlimited malicious gateways with no defense mechanism. The main part of this system I disagree with is the subjective and unclear deciding of what defines malicious gateways. In my personal opinion, it should be mathematical comparison of the files, done in a purely systematic method, without voting.

End Flow Chart

https://simplifiedprivacy.com/posts/arweave/Arweave-QA/images/gateways.png


Its a lot simpler than it sounds. They're basically just asking for an optional field for SimpleX links.


Somebody just dropped 1 xmr to the bounty to improve Garnet!!

https://bounties.monero.social/posts/147/garnet-maintenance-sync-upstream-new-icons-resolve-amethyst-dual-install-conflict-etc
(was not me)


lul

https://image.nostr.build/6738c99c554a656adb4a85a6be30b2f92db7ec7940f83cc9a9c1172889093e05.png


Good work around. Should be fixed sometime soon.

https://bounties.monero.social/posts/147/garnet-maintenance-sync-upstream-new-icons-resolve-amethyst-dual-install-conflict-etc


Big things on the way 🚀

https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9436

https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/e203d2f17ae0296d8b71d3df31c5113a70d8c43059010d1c9656d8cbb91437c0.webp