Oddbean new post about login | logout For all those 'mericans that are in "panic mode" using Phoenix, here is what you should do: 1. Save you phoenix seed. 2. Uninstall from app store (because is linked to your account) 3. Install app from their github, without any fucking app store https://github.com/ACINQ/phoenix/releases 4. Restore from seed. Done, be happy and ignore all the shit. If you still use an apple shit, drop it now and take an android, de-googled and do those steps. If you still want to use your fancy apple crap... sorry but you have been warned.
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Problem solved ! 😂🫵🦁
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Why should be anyone in “panic mode” using Phoenix?
GrapheneOS on Android, if you're wondering what "de-googled" means in practice
Or just use mutiny
If you do not use Mutiny with your own Mutiny server IT IS NOT DIFFERENT THAN WoS
@Deleted Account is that correct?
You can't think for yourself? The app by default is opening a LDK node on the mutinywallet.com domain, where reside a Mutiny server run by dev team. Yes, you have the control of the keys and node, but if that domain goes busted, you cannot access your node. That is not different than any custodial. Think again. Run your own server and connect your device to it. Done.
You can't think for yourself? The app by default is opening a LDK node on the mutinywallet.com domain, where reside a Mutiny server run by dev team. Yes, you have the control of the keys and node, but if that domain goes busted, you cannot access your node. That is not different than any custodial. Think again. Run your own server and connect your device to it. Done.
.... and Remember you can run #phoenixd on your own box. https://phoenix.acinq.co/server nostr:note1xn5rvhlfqwpy6277d6p3s4w2jkeev2w0g56yfan56ues29ju4zss3sz6au
Which android phone and OS do you recommend?? Looking to unchain from Apple
1. Drop Apple ! You have been warned. 2. read this guide https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/bitcoiners-mobile-device-en.html 3. Read more guides about wallets here https://darth-coin.github.io/wallets/wallets.html
GrapheneOS on Google Pixel phones
Graphene all the way https://grapheneos.org/
Is uninstall really necessary? I would argue that if the apk on github is signed with the same key, which it should, then just update from there. No uninstall required or even recommended as by keeping the continuity you automatically verify the signature of the side-loaded apk to be by the same keys that signed the Play Store version.
Yes, because each app store is linked to a location and to a user. Just do not install anymore from play stores ! Please read this guide https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/bitcoiners-mobile-device-en.html
That guide is for the most adventurous ones but it doesn't answer my question. If you just keep Phoenix installed, you should be able to even get updates from Google Play and if not, updating from a direct download should be safer than to remove Phoenix, first. If you want to continue using Phoenix, removing it is definitely the wrong choice. The Play Store app would let you uninstall side-loaded apps and if they are signed by the same keys, you could even update side-loaded apps from Google Play. Uninstalling to install from GitHub makes no sense at all unless they signed with a different key. If you uninstall, you risk to lose funds and you inevitably end up incurring on-chain fees.
No you don't lose any funds. Please read Phoenix FAQ page.
So your OP says: Uninstall from Play Store, install from GitHub. That is what I recommend against as it won't make a difference from the perspective of Play Store. It just means messing around with your wallet app and those who forget to make a good backup will inevitably lose funds for nothing. The Play Store doesn't care if you used it to install an app or not. It lets you uninstall apps you did not install using it and it lets you update apps oblivious of the sideloaded app not being signed by the same key. The Play Store app would just issue an obscure error if the signature was from a different key. Unless you de-google your phone in the process, uninstalling is completely unnecessary and only dangerous. Unless Phoenix is planning to force-close on its US users, there is no need to follow their instructions to close channels before a date neither. I hope they stir drama for drama sake only cause in panic is when people lose their funds.
I just did myself the test on a separate device with Google play + an old Phoenix wallet. Had like 2000 sats in it, legacy Phoenix even. 1. Saved the seed 2. Uninstalled from Google Play. 3. Download from Github the apk and install it 4. restored with seed 5. Funds were there just fine. 6. In Google Play account do not appear anymore as installed
That must have changed then. But still, even if you keep it installed on Google Play: installing updates via sideloading should just work. The uninstall step is unnecessary.
So I spent some time looking for a cellphone that is both available in Chile and known to work with Lineageos and I can't find any. Sadly we are far from de-googling being easy ☹️
Look first on XDA forum https://xdaforums.com/ Many Lineage ROMs there. I use for example a cheap (like150 cuckbuck) Moto G9 with a Lineage 19 (Android 12) and works perfectly fine. Is just a matter of looking.
Some guy from the Phoenix telegram channel recommended not doing this. Probably for their sake ?
That's not a solution. It's a full on workaround.
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I still can't get my head around Bitcoiners using 🍏devices. The whole App Store shit too. 🤦🏽 Google Pixel + GrapheneOS is just so easy these days.
@DarthCoin thx ... on a degoogle phone , is it ok if it was installed with Aurora store ??? ... Orange Blessings !!!!
Better to use obtainium, and get the apk directly from the source. I'm not sure if aurora uses the US store in the background
All you need to know here: https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/bitcoiners-mobile-device-en.html
Is there a tutorial on how to install on iOS? I’m not good with computers.
Drop the fucking IOS ! You have been warned! https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/bitcoiners-mobile-device-en.html
Ok, i meant is there an easy way to get @PhoenixWallet on my phone using GitHub. I read through the page, but it looks too complicated for me. It’s a shame bc that was my favorite lightning wallet.
Why do you still insist with using iOS? Please read here: https://stacker.news/items/447944
Mainly bc I’m not going to buy another phone.
You have been warned. Selling that iShit will give you more money to buy not 1 but 2 android devices. No need to buy an ultra-extra fancy latest model of android. A cheap android with lineage / calyx / graphene can handle all you need to use Bitcoin.
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Not so much panic, more fuck them. Obviously it takes exactly zero pressure for them to cave. They'll do it again eventually for other countries
Ah sure Acinq they are pussies. I posted this quick guide just because people are getting panicked and can do stupid things. https://stacker.news/items/520627
Don't forget to take some personal accountability. If you recommended this product to someone, you did it with full knowledge that this could have happened. The only way to stay sovereign is to do it all yourself and to lift others up to do the same. Unless it takes exactly zero pressure for you to cave and put the responsibility onto someone else.
What the fuck you babbling about? Im fucking annoyed by these cowards, nothing more. You are more than welcome to not put words in my mouth and not accuse me of saying something Im not saying.
What happened?
Which Android is best tested for graphene or degoogling? Largest user base?
does their LSP functionality also depend on geographical location? Channel splicing, etc.
PSA: in Android (including GrapheneOS, and most likely all other forks), any installed app can see all other installed apps, even if they were installed from different sources. Every app/service on your phone will still be able to see that you have Phoenix installed if they care to look. On GrapheneOS, you could install Phoenix in a different user profile by itself or with only other apps that you trust not to share info.
How to install from github?
Go to android version, click on assets and download the apk. Why is so hard? Or use Obtainium https://m.primal.net/IAav.png
Obtanium can't make it any easier imo
It was such a long scroll to find the .apk file😉
amazing people are just now learning about unofficial appstores android and side loading apks.
You can use #Obtainium to do this for many apps. It'll manage updates too. Not all apps will handle updates automatically. nostr:nevent1qqsrf6pktl5s8qjd900xaqcc2h9ftvuk98852dzy7e6dwvc9zew23ggpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmqzyru6ev9sxnzvz9m7np03gculx9l0plk7uajhcpstz3hw0yqzgvt7cqcyqqqqqqg7aaatg
Not US neither iphoner. But that is a dawn nice workaround for any of you that are a US citizen and use Phoenix. nostr:note1xn5rvhlfqwpy6277d6p3s4w2jkeev2w0g56yfan56ues29ju4zss3sz6au
Will they be banning us ip? What about install geo checking like sports betting has?
Seems like you don't understand how lightning works they are closing their LSP.
they arent doing any such thing. they are blocking ips by location. so i assume american bros would have to be on vpn always while using phoenix. which you already should be doing 24/7, preferrably something good and paid for anonymously like mullvad or ivpn
Apple is the attack vector.
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Thanks. I thought so.
I don't think you people are talking about the same thing.
What do you mean?
You should serve the UI from a machine under your contol. If their site is going down, you can't access the wallet. unless you restore it on some other lnd instance from a seed. and hopefully with you channels backup to restore all the funds.
Yeah, but with Mutiny I can restore it on some other LND instance. WoS not. Correct?
tru. I think darth is a little bit fundamentalist-ish ragarding the self-sovergnity. That's why I believe you don't talk about the same thing. but hey, it's just my interpretation...
I don't think you people are talking about the same thing.
What do you mean?
You should serve the UI from a machine under your contol. If their site is going down, you can't access the wallet. unless you restore it on some other lnd instance from a seed. and hopefully with you channels backup to restore all the funds.
Yeah, but with Mutiny I can restore it on some other LND instance. WoS not. Correct?
tru. I think darth is a little bit fundamentalist-ish ragarding the self-sovergnity. That's why I believe you don't talk about the same thing. but hey, it's just my interpretation...
You should serve the UI from a machine under your contol. If their site is going down, you can't access the wallet. unless you restore it on some other lnd instance from a seed. and hopefully with you channels backup to restore all the funds.
Yeah, but with Mutiny I can restore it on some other LND instance. WoS not. Correct?
tru. I think darth is a little bit fundamentalist-ish ragarding the self-sovergnity. That's why I believe you don't talk about the same thing. but hey, it's just my interpretation...
Excellent! Now flash Graphene on it and enjoy :)
