Oddbean new post about login | logout You might be a Nostr Elite if... 1) You have over 1000 followers, but only post every couple of days or weeks. 2) You are famous from "someplace else", so you don't feel like you need to prove anything to anyone and expect everyone to recognize you from there. 3) You hardly follow anyone else, who isn't an elite, or your follow list is stale and you don't care. 4) You rarely repost anyone else's stuff or hang out in their threads. 5) You rarely respond to mentions or tags, unless they're from another elite, and you feel put-upon by them. 6) You don't actively search for new npubs to follow or interact with. 7) You mostly repost things you've posted elsewhere. 8) You post things and then only respond for a short time. 9) When someone reposts you, you don't feel curious to find out more about them. 10) You think there is no Nostr Elite.
The saddest thing IMHO is that many of those "elite nostr users" like you call them, are a default follow on #Primal.. Without that, they wouldn't have or grow as bigger in n. Of folower, because on #nostr if you don't actively engage your npub will not be organically visible..
That's how elitism usually works. It's an attention funnel. More people arriving hardly changes who the elites are, it merely adds more people deferring to the same elites. Celebrities are famous for being famous.
So true, and Primal first follow list is like free farming for them..
Well, they don't actually ask to get on the lists, but being on the list would probably make you lazier.
I notice it, myself. The more followers I have, and the more often I trend, the harder I have to work to stay pleb. So, this list is also a reminder to myself to stay humble.
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But there are actually large npubs who rarely engage. They got a lot of follows when they arrived, and just kept them because most people never curate their list. Also, newbies often copy other people's lists, so they take on and follow those npubs, even if they're not actively engaging.
Absolutely true! I have started to unfollow any hig users that doesn't reply to comments or never boost others..
what's a hig?
Higgs Boson
Hig, and al my typos, are the proof that I am not a bot 😂😅 *big account
I couldn't resist. I've been having a melt down over how hard some of this is check out my #killnostr hashtag. #smij is cry/laughing at himself and the ridiculous hopium here. #smij #zapd I get hig with a little help from my friends, witha little help from my friends, with aaaa little helllp from myyyy frieeendzzz
Ahahah all good Man! 🫂💜😂😅 This is often me.. https://i.nostr.build/nb3682.gif
I hate that I keep asking my mom if she wants penis when i stop over for dinner. so I just call her now. she likes that better
Best son on #nostr.. 🫂💜😂
Why does that list exist and how is it maintained?
Those are the "recommended npubs" from Primal. They just write the list themselves. The tried to plebicize it, once, but it just ended up a slightly-longer list, with the same sort of entries.
Indeed.. I do remember that note. Much better when a single users put down his best follows without none asking.. we used to that in the first months. #plebchain was a great and organic method to create a nice follow list.. few.
They should not be using a centralized list IMHO.
Well, too late, now. Damage is done. Elites entrenched.
Uhmm.. I am not sure I agree, there's time to save all the new npubs that are about to come in the next months and years.. We should just shill less Primal as first entry.
It’s fixable. @miljan How about rethinking this stuff to make it organic and pleb-driven?
He has never responded to me or anything referring to me. 😅
Lol.. Well, you were The primalRaper or something similar.. 😂😂😜🫂🤙
Come out and fight like a man, Milan. 😂
Elites dont answer the plebs because they are afraid that they cant control the conversation
They can't. That's why it's fun. The pleb gains, even if they lose. The elite usually loses, even if they win.
Indeed, I do believe is fixable and he can create a better solution.. For me the solution is give more power and tools to the user.. and the user should take responsibility and more action knowing the tools 🍀🫂🔥
I don't think it's directly fixable, TBH. You can only create new types of use cases and someone could make a name for themselves there, so that you end up with smaller hierarchies where the elites aren't automatically at the top. You can't go back and reorder a social media hierarchy. They just compound, like interest. Every person who shows up will follow the same people as everyone else and add a few more, so first come, first serve. Social media has such a low barrier to entry (post "GM", "stack sats", or a selfie or AI pic, once per week or month) that there's no real way to catch up through effort or talent. You have to shine someplace else and that might carry back over to social media because we don't have silos.
I see, yeah you are right about the compound effect.. For this reason on my side, when i noticed new user on my notifications or comments, I try to check through their notes and repost notes I liked. Repost is so underrated.. one repost is much more valuable than a 1000 sats if reposted at the right time by an account with more followers.
True, and I'll zap you anyway 😂
Absolutely. It's against many reason I got here in first place.. I like a square where there's no podium created for some tonbe more visible.
Th why I dp believe was because of the issue for new users to not follow anyone.. but I do believe would better to create a list that changes depending on hastag, or topic or words nost used. So like "Show me the users that use #bitcoin words more, or "economic" "nature" "art" and so on.. A static list is nosense..
That's yucky. There should be no default follows except maybe Tom from MySpace.
There should be only DEV as first follow.. the main one that worked on nostr clients and protocol.. that's the only "elite" I would be ok to be shilled.. they do the work, they often are not acknowledged.
As a dev, I disagree with this. I think it's far far better to provide new accounts categories of hashtags they can follow, or pubkeys that are associated with a topic.
#YESTR I am saying also this since a couple of months 🔥🤙🫂🍀 nostr:nevent1qqsxg38j68vycj3z2nmxwflp8s74s8fepvp0a9dtl6zzj3qdg8v0fjsprdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68yurvv438xtnrdakj7q3q3pnmakf738yn6rv2ex9jgs7924renmderyp5d9rtztsr7ymxg3gqxpqqqqqqzlg8haj
they deserve it ... selling your soul to the devil should be rewarded with follows 😂
Since we are the devils, we could at least follow them 😂💜🫂🍀🤙🔥😜
I don't think I for the bill, but I did make it into one of those pfp collages once! nostr:nevent1qqs8xpsgrz3prxw4z67nrlkfq9mv6wfeqm8htv4g7ddxlez4jwnn7jspzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsygxavex4usqkgvage45lqpdwzjqgqs630zd4nhj67p38dhn9vv7nrypsgqqqqqqs37q6pa
🤔 https://m.primal.net/IVsj.png
🎯 Is there a link to the note itself?
I hope this works👇 note1ge26j5uwh3k2g97zrjl2mgn9lyx8j54ul844v339cr0vkwpgkkjqa697gh
If the link doesn't work maybe just try looking for his profile. I can find it on older client but not newer ones. His posts are infrequent so that Oct '23 one is pretty easy to find
his npub npub16ms7xvxv9jw4scjugafgcwd070zvttp3pt3358w7d8hhlafuzl8swpn2rl
I'm an elite shitposter nostr:nevent1qqs8xpsgrz3prxw4z67nrlkfq9mv6wfeqm8htv4g7ddxlez4jwnn7jspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdupzphtxf40yq9jr82xdd8cqtts5szqyx5tcndvaukhsvfmduetr85ceqvzqqqqqqyjpp5vy
I intentionally don't follow "elits", don't care of them. Don't care about the number of followers. Don't use any other platforms but Nostr. Don't know the "Nostr elit" exist or not. So if this "group" exist I'm not a member and don't care.
Lol, that sounds like the exact opposite of an elite Nostr user to me. The word ‘elite’ has been bastardised to mean someone who has success without earning it.
Every elite has earned their spot in the top 10%. It's the move up to the top 0.1% that is sometimes inexplicable and seems to mostly be a latent network effect, that is self-amplifying, rather than a result of personal effort or ability. That's why elites tend to be above-average, but also surprisingly underwhelming.
Is there a possibility(an idea I have leaned towards since nostr started to gain traction around the first Nostrica event) that there were accounts/users who were "sponsored" as part of a pr type exercise. Fast massive follow count, huge zap earnings, promotion in trending etc. I somewhat find it understandable, if it is so, as a way to show nostr in a good light and highlight it's potential as a v4v social protocol. It's my understanding that Reddit used that tactic in it's early days too for much the same reason.
🎯 well said!
Some of them can be found in the primal trending list. But not all of them. 💀 That list is not useful to new users: they need npubs they can interact with (not just one way)
Some accounts get so big that tagging them becomes complely futile. Like trying to talk to a wall. Try tagging Jack jack. 😂
I imagine his notifications like this 😂 https://media1.tenor.com/m/ydQ_aVSc2RcAAAAC/fast-likes.gif
Inbox hell. That explains a lot about elites.
it's easy not to show up there 😏
Cough cough…censorship
LOL Haven't forgotten.
Meanwhile, many new users are willingly using primal, with kyc, trending… 🙄
I recently wanted to try primal for the first time, but stopped immediately when I had to register with an e-mail address. It totally defies the whole idea of #nostr where staying anonymous is a possible path for all those who want to use it in that way. Please let's try and keep it like this
I wish all of the clients would stop doing this! It’s very dumb way
It’s the old twitter way. We don’t need it
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The important thing is not to stop being humble.
Yeah, it's mental state you have to work to avoid. Stay hungry.
And anyway if you ask @jack for a hug he'll give it to you...
This is accurate but is it necessary to expose us plebs this much? 😮💨
I'm only answering this note because it's from another #Nostr Elite 🕍🛐🤣
I always find the Following/Followed ratio quite illuminating.
I'm 30% #nostrelite 😂 1) ✅ 2) ❌ 3) ❌ 4) ❌ 5) ❌ 6) ✅ 7) ❌ 8) ✅ 9) ❌ 10) ❌ nostr:nevent1qqs8xpsgrz3prxw4z67nrlkfq9mv6wfeqm8htv4g7ddxlez4jwnn7jspz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43qygxavex4usqkgvage45lqpdwzjqgqs630zd4nhj67p38dhn9vv7nrypsgqqqqqqs3yyj5f
You forgot the most important criteria: * only uses primal, thinks primal is the apex of the nostr experience * is on the default follow list for new primal users * all their shitty notes somehow end up in the trending feed despite having no engagement
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I think the best Nostr experience (and in general any software experience) is the one that focuses on doing a few things, and preferably one thing, well. When there are a boat load of features. As an example outside Nostr I hate Venmo and prefer CashApp because the former introduces a social element while the latter focuses on sending/receiving.
just a pleb ✅ likes freedom ✅ likes kind people ✅ do not care about elite ✅
Amem to that.
Disagree with 10. There is no Nostr elite without proof of work and these folks don't put in the work.
If you're on Nostr, you are ahead of the curve. https://i.nostr.build/Rm2vA.jpg nostr:nevent1qqs8xpsgrz3prxw4z67nrlkfq9mv6wfeqm8htv4g7ddxlez4jwnn7jspz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7q3qm4ny6hjqzepn4rxknuq94c2gpqzr29ufkkw7ttcxyak7v43n6vvsxpqqqqqqzd334yj
Careful users! This is a fedpost meant to divide!
Do you own any unregistered firearms? https://c.tenor.com/lNAyOb1UEA8AAAAC/tenor.gif
As an extreme plebeian, who never mastered the social part of social media, I rail against the upper 90%.
This is critical theory applied to nostr.
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That's a bad thing
You are just here to shut down the conversation because it contradicts what you see as the Natural Order. I won't engage you on this.
Yes, I am aware that acting in bad faith by refusing to engage in rational debate is a tenet of critical theory.
i haven't had my mind poisoned with this critical theory thing i also think that the main issue with "elites" is inbox hell, and i've thought about the issue of being famous and how it makes you not want to have friends... too much, dunbar number cannot compute lol brrrrzzzttt!!!
He legit just wrote a screed accusing me of some woke American academic theory. 👀
It actually derives from postmodern theory which originated from French philosophers. The issue is in America we take bad ideas and export them to the world.
im just glad to hear weve got an export still
I just choked on my coffee a little bit
I normally like your stuff, but this misses the mark. You're defining the elite by behaviors you don't like so as to push a usage pattern you'd prefer. This among other things puts you in the nostr elite. I think of elite theory mostly through a lens of Pareto distributions. It is worth arguing that we should encourage a more healthy distribution, but trying to distinguish yourself from others in that part of the distribution is a very elite thing to do.
Except that I noted repeatedly that I am increasingly fighting the tendency to act like this, myself, because I find it so irritating when other people do. And, apparently, I'm not the only one who finds it irritating or counterproductive. I'm in the line of fire, now, because I wrote a common complaint down so clearly that they finally can't ignore it. nostr:note1rv00wfg2m0y4mkl5csq432dww2a83qcs4sryeq4nal22mqtv6cwq62krrm
it got me a lot of flak in the early days too because it just was cringe circle jerk one of us one of us shit
Well, I don't mind him getting mad and muting me. I do it myself, all the time, even if I hardly have anyone muted, anymore. Most of them probably have me muted, anyway. But the accusation that I'm pushing some weird American academic social philosophy because I made a pointed critique about drive-by posters from X and Instagram, is ridiculous.
I don't think he's upset that I wrote this, tho. It was just me shitposting and ranting, as per usual. I think he's upset that so many people liked it.
idk, it might just be that precautionary "hey, wait, maybe this girl is peddling socialism" thought i didn't even think of the "drive by posting" part of it, i had in my mind the pablos and fiatjafs and miljans and others (and that's why it's also extra funny because hodlbod just isn't in that category of cool kid devs club clan)
He put me on the Red List. 😂
haha, rabble is on my red list, he even engaged with me trying to play down his redness
Hey, we Commies are allowed to use Nostr, too! 😂
reds can show up all they like but they have to deal with sharp tongued misesians
oh please someone make a "Sharp-Tongued Misesian" badge 😂
I think you might take yourself too seriously. I don't even follow you, much less keep obsessive account of reactions to your notes. It caught my eye because this "elites" or "priesthood" stuff crops up on nostr every so often, and it's divisive and pointless. I don't know why people have to fight over their slice of the (so far nonexistent) pie. Doing so jeopardizes the whole project. But I do want to apologize for the way I said what I did, because it contributed to the problem. I was not focused on you, but on your rhetoric, and so failed to follow James 3, Romans 12:18, and just treat you like a person. Please forgive me for that.
At least you're working hard for all your well-deserved follows!
I am going to keep commenting on this so it stays trending
11. Your popularity will save Nostr.
We are all leet on this blessed day. nostr:nevent1qqs8xpsgrz3prxw4z67nrlkfq9mv6wfeqm8htv4g7ddxlez4jwnn7jspz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqygxavex4usqkgvage45lqpdwzjqgqs630zd4nhj67p38dhn9vv7nrypsgqqqqqqsshnsvm
meanwhile.... https://image.nostr.build/e1ce76685300ce7f6e0845b1d21ac4656181afbe86fbb30c5636fa50f36d1bd8.jpg tick tock nobody cares
Ive been here since jack's tweet and am approaching 1k followers per primal but i dont think people generally care about my notes or replies. And i mostly follow "elites" 😂 My nostr experience is great
Welp, LFG!!
You have a social media team that only posts AI generated images of Bitcoin.
https://m.primal.net/IWqV.jpg
Now that I’m a member of the Nostr Elite, I no longer stop at stoplights. And I never pay for gum.
I closed a door on someone today instead of holding it open as I screamed in Karen fashion that I am a nostr Elite. I mean these plebs really think they have rights? Um, I don’t think so 💁♂️
I found out someone I was talking to had less than 1000 followers, so I pulled them out of the car through the window and made them peel my grapes 🍇
We have made it #NostrElite https://image.nostr.build/bc68af7b452295e70df0c4d3917acdd607121ef2b2b974a6e56387d5abf05807.jpg
Did you get the appropriate badge, as well? And order the T-Shirt? 😂 #NostrElite
yes but you can't do this because point 10
That's true. 😂 Catch 22.
Was just getting excited and disqualified myself 🤣
Most of this can be explained by how much time one has available to spend interacting on nostr.
Yeah trending feed is also something I don't like.. easy to fake, and often same people because large follows number and so more replies and reactions.. vicious circle.
I'm almost exclusively on #amethyst... Since I'm on my phone more than anything. Plus I like the functionality of it. I get frustrated with other platforms.
My man!
my personal interpretation is that primal and the other "trending feed" clients are the main cause of this not really much that can be done about it even if it is damaging the variety and onboarding, maybe we should put together some concise and cogent points for @miljan and the other "tredning feed" client devs to understand that they are making the curve into a hockey stick?
what is their predominant geographical base? seems like yugoslavian name but not serbian or bosnian vibes
ugh
america home of the knave?
home of fiat VC ponzi scams
Primal's VC funding is not a secret.
my dinner has been powered by shitcoin grant funding to date 😅
home of fiat VC ponzi scams
Primal's VC funding is not a secret.
my dinner has been powered by shitcoin grant funding to date 😅
My man!
i say that he is traumatised by being assaulted intensively by fallacious argumentation by wokester assholes during the lockdown days jesus says turn the other cheek i almost want to analyse your post to see where it is manipulative but i'll just leave it aside because my first received message from it was "fucking circle jerk nostr insider wankers who think they are special and never engage" well, i have seen both pablo and fiatjaf actually have meaningful conversations with me lately so that part is changing, which i am pleased about but then i read about how others interpreted it to be about dive bombing X influencoors who just post shit and don't bother interacting, and i'm like, ok, yes that was highlighted by @cloud fodder when he posted the meme about write-only relays, which i thought was pretty spot on, so that's three different angles that came at me in one afternoon i think that it's all fun, and i hope you all keep hating each other to the max forever and ever amen so we never feel like we are comfortable or safe here because that is a very bad mindset in a house of mirrors full of people wearing masks
I'm muting him. He clearly knows nothing about me and he's having some sort of moment. GN
yeah, everyone discovers everyone else gradually you gotta do what you gotta do
He will now ignore me even harder. And I will no longer market his product. which he never noticed or appreciated, anyway, so he won't miss it.
yeah, i think you tickled a funny bone with the "there is no nostr elite" point right at the end that's the one that was most accurate but least discussed, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and survivorship bias it is the most unspoken thing by the elites, always, that's the last thing they want to do is acknowledge they are set apart even though everything they do sets them apart anyway, it is a really big stretch, IMO, to assert that this point is manipulative, because it's the thing that causes the most visceral reaction in individuals who match the rest of the profile anyway, he'll get over it... he always was the least pretentious of the cool kids club
Denying that there is a hierarchy, when we can map it from the public data set, is ridiculous. And complaining that some of the people higher in the hierarchy are too aloof, distant, indifferent, or self-serving, is as old as humanity. Bizarre to claim that is Marxism, on a platform full of rebellious Bitcoiners and Libertarians.
I also reject the logic of "Group A said X, so anyone who says X belongs to Group A". That is an obvious fallacy, unless you can prove that only Group A has ever said something like that. That's the same lazy tactic they've used in Germany to denounce anyone critical of CBDCs, censorship, or open borders as "Nazis".
I'm muting him. He clearly knows nothing about me and he's having some sort of moment. GN
yeah, everyone discovers everyone else gradually you gotta do what you gotta do
He will now ignore me even harder. And I will no longer market his product. which he never noticed or appreciated, anyway, so he won't miss it.
yeah, i think you tickled a funny bone with the "there is no nostr elite" point right at the end that's the one that was most accurate but least discussed, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and survivorship bias it is the most unspoken thing by the elites, always, that's the last thing they want to do is acknowledge they are set apart even though everything they do sets them apart anyway, it is a really big stretch, IMO, to assert that this point is manipulative, because it's the thing that causes the most visceral reaction in individuals who match the rest of the profile anyway, he'll get over it... he always was the least pretentious of the cool kids club
Denying that there is a hierarchy, when we can map it from the public data set, is ridiculous. And complaining that some of the people higher in the hierarchy are too aloof, distant, indifferent, or self-serving, is as old as humanity. Bizarre to claim that is Marxism, on a platform full of rebellious Bitcoiners and Libertarians.
I also reject the logic of "Group A said X, so anyone who says X belongs to Group A". That is an obvious fallacy, unless you can prove that only Group A has ever said something like that. That's the same lazy tactic they've used in Germany to denounce anyone critical of CBDCs, censorship, or open borders as "Nazis".
I also reject the logic of "Group A said X, so anyone who says X belongs to Group A". That is an obvious fallacy, unless you can prove that only Group A has ever said something like that. That's the same lazy tactic they've used in Germany to denounce anyone critical of CBDCs, censorship, or open borders as "Nazis".
Cloudfodder's meme was so good. 😁🎯
yeah, he highlighted a base layer aspect of it that was quite clever to point out... "write only relays" 🤣 the absurdity and how it ties in with the i'm too cool crowd was too on target
Well, he can't put the meme back into the box, and it's taken on a life of its own because it fit so well, so he'll just have to get over my expertise in defining and naming things and move on with his life. Maybe the next time somebody @s someone else, or they see some newbie appear in their replies, they'll be more eager to respond.
that was the whole point there is a bunch of them that moved from being so distant to making some effort to mix and good on them i think what causes the cognitive dissonance is that the majority of funding of this protocol to date has been essentially donations from million/billionaires so there's a sense of "don't bite the hand that feeds you" in this and i think actually, these feeders don't care and are giving the funding out BECAUSE it's about not having this walking on eggshells nonsense
#nostr is #punk was a direct quote from Jack no less, i mean, if his whole purpose isn't in funding a bunch of cats to go after the pigeons i don't know what his purpose was
