Oddbean new post about login | logout Onboarding and quality are the key issues at the moment. Lack of credible search next.
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We need an OSS search since all I know of are black boxes.
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Quality … notes? Or quality client?
He probably just meant quality in a general sense. Onboarding is more than just a signin page. I am doing a redesign for onboarding.
what are your ideas?
I will announce my ideas at NostrAsia
Both, as a quality client would offer a way to remove low quality notes. Say what you will about Twitter but there were far more educational notes/threads over there. I miss that. I wish I could dial down the memes.
twitters algo is horrible
Agree. There is still good content over there, that is completely missing here
the biggest issue is one algo, they dont even do chronological #nostr needs an algo and list market, we need top lists to give new accounts to get started, default antispam list etc
Where are the thoughtful, educational threads commonly found on Twitter, here? I love nostr and having fun but it's full of superficial shit and memes preaching to the choir An algo market does not fix that, or does it?
this is one of those threads, they do popup this convo is what a chat mode for kind1 notes centered on a thread etc would be perfect we have access to the fedi via relay.mostr.pub the fedi bootstraps nostr
Interesting take. Yes there certainly are conversations around. What I'm referring to are those 1/n tweets by the same author where they dive deep into a topic, things like that
an algo could easily pull those out #report interesting or deepdive 😃
this is what chat is good for btw
hash out ideas, uninterrupted thought flows
Isn't wanting to re-create Twitter threads a self-limiting idea? Threads are a workaround for the short-form nature of Twitter. On Nostr, if you have more to say, there are long-form note kinds that support that.
It's not. I randomly came across interesting topics while scrolling on Twitter. It's not the same user experience as going to a separate site like Habla and start scanning titles. That would work exactly like going from Twitter to Medium. What is different in Nostr is that kind 1 clients could technically show long-form content (folded) and one could click to load more if the first paragraph sounds interesting.
That might be the way to go. Habla.news is a relay just like any other, so any client can read from it and render the content however it fits best within the framework of the app.
Found this by chance nostr:note1kxh3tl4vua2rk5hpwd0rrm7uwqf8879svuy3vxnm77dkw3gnqttsyya7v5
Good points made there. On the other hand, though, I'd contend that character limits can cause conversations to lose nuance. Being able to spin off discussions on different entries in a thread has value, I can see, but I wonder what limiting ourselves only to bite-sized discussion points does to our mind. There's a place for Twitter, and a place for other platforms as well.
if you viewed the thread as a chat spinoffs would be quoted replies
an algo and list market fixes it mostly, we need people but we have enough and the fedi
content comes with people, nostr by being unstoppable will slowly grind and build
a quality client should present quality notes filter, signal
The quality problem is difficult to solve, even if Damus is opened each time, it is difficult to successfully connect Relay to obtain data, and generally need to exit two or three times to successfully connect Relay. Search is difficult to use under the current technical structure, because there is no large stable Relay to provide data search services, resulting in confusing search results. New technical solutions may be sought, and local database services such as Nostr.band may be needed, which are fast and accurate in speed and data, with the disadvantage of lacking a decentralized Relay.
I’m curious your experience if you’ve tried @nos.social. We’ve got a local db and do a lot to try and make the experience consistent and reliable. Feedback, especially critical feedback, is immensely helpful.
i personally wrote a hit piece on BlueSky and then joined Nostr myself. the reason people go to BlueSky and not Nostr is because they know Bluesky will be same shit as Twitter but with a shiny new wrapper plus it's by invitation, which makes you feel special. so BlueSky is really offering people to feel better about themselves without any real change. meanwhile with Nostr they know it's something different and they are afraid of change. people don't want to BE they want to SIGNAL. Bluesky is about signaling. Nostr is about substance. This is why Nostr will always be small - because most people have none ( substance ).
@adamcurry calls BlueSky “Trans Maoist social media” 😂 It’s Twitter for narrative addicts.
adam needs to switch to nostr full time, bring his fedi instance too
Opinion impopular #Nostr es la red social del mejor dinero ⚡ por excelencia, ese es en orden de prioridades el argumento principal para atraer a las personas. La soberanía y la resistencia a la censura son importantes pero no son sexis, el punto focal diferenciador son los zaps ⚡ sin fricciones. #BitcoinCulturalBattle #Nostr #Amethyst #Hispano nostr:nevent1qqsxav9lpyf02fjs6szhmgh6u33zcy7dzcrf96azxptej6luxjksf6gpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdupzp8pwp2rsgymh8ju3twwfe5hpe0ghu5aw9v9gd2a9uklslsfuggxjqvzqqqqqqymxlnf3
every user should also be a relay. this way we would be able to have video uploads for example. basically merge bit torrent and nostr. you need to give up on the absurd fantasy that nostr will ever be for the masses. accept that nostr will always be for select few and make it MORE demanding to use, not less. demand every user be a relay with minimum requirements for bandwidth, storage and uptime. then depending on how much you offer as a server / relay is also the level of service you get in return ( can you stream 4K video hosted on Nostr ? etc. )
This is how Secure Scuttlebutt works. Scuttlebutt was the inspiration for much of what is nostr. I think we could get to efficient gossip between apps / relays which would help a lot. That said, scuttlebutt started out 100% peer to peer and offline first, and then evolved to have pubs which are like relays. We need relays for the network to function efficiently. But there’s no reason apps can’t be local micro-relays. Then you also get cool things like syncing over mesh networks, censorship evasion, and nostr working when the internet goes down or is non-existent.
This is the closest I've seen to that idea https://github.com/Ruulul/hyper-nostr
The strfry relay also does syncing.
> syncing over mesh networks, censorship evasion, and nostr working when the internet goes down or is non-existent Does it work under these conditions too? Your last paragraph reminded me of this project because it's built on tech that doesn't depend on DNS. I know we're far from a state-level attack but fun to think about nostr over other transports
#p2p #nostr #relay nostr:nevent1qqs9n2vzg2pmug4s3pqmshnsqyr3ycqw4rapuqyrpdsgu0l7xjxzq6qpzdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ukzcnvv5hx7un8qgs8y6s7ycwvv36xwn5zsh3e2xemkyumaxnh85dv7jwus6xmscdpcygrqsqqqqqpum9ex7
mad someone did it, a holepunch.to relay
Just got an idea, whenever anyone hears first about nostr, what do they do? Google I think is the main route people go through You then get to the nostr website only to see a developer focused documentation which I think is a problem for non dev people and adoption in general
Can we talk more about “Then you also get cool things like syncing over mesh networks, censorship evasion, and nostr working when the internet goes down or is non-existent.“ Cause one of the things irl frens tell me a lot is what happens when the internet goes down or ceases to exist bc of some apocalyptic shit happens, what happens to bitcoin and nostr are they usable at that point ? Or gone with the internet.. and then this is where mesh networks kick in to my brain sooo yea I’d love to discuss this further idk maybe on a nest or something
✅ This is on my list
LFG! has anybody talked about it on podcasts yet ? I’d love to hear more about everyone’s train of thought on this 🙌
We touched on it here: https://fountain.fm/episode/CtvU8tXLyz0OpoBgfNUW
Really ? Awesome! Ima check it out 🫂💜🤙
i think the solution is some apps start experimenting with adding p2p, holepunch.to looks a good framework
decentralized media is a huge problem not solved on nostr yet
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good search should replace #tags
I onboarded my wife @WiseOwl onto nostr tonight. It was a bit clunky to get started on the web clients (we ended up using 3 to get everything setup). Finally got it done. Nostr is great and I love it, but to average people out there, some would give up. My wife was losing interest until all the welcomes started rolling in, nostrichs are great people! Cheers!