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 There's a lot of money in cosmetics.  

 There are three major industries of the future:

1. Bitcoin
2. Plumbing
3. Cosmetics 

 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead 

 But is there any value in cosmetics beyond function? Or does its value lie in its craftsmanship? 

 This question can only be answered by the willingness of people paying for it.  

 <Taproot Wizard scammers entered the chat> 

 This, so much 💛

I still think there's so much to so in various fields of clients for this, and reap its benefits  

 to do* 

 Damus needs to sell stickers! https://image.nostr.build/affdd4c7828d7357bfdbefc58c829ceee15862e5c20a51832c5559e142cd3989.jpg  

 What are the most common things gamers pay for? (I'm not a gamer at all) 

 skins, perks, events 

 Skins, which is to say purely cosmetic status symbols that do not affect gameplay.  

 How this could be done for nostr clients: imagine your user profile glowing in a purple color, flames around your pfp. Why? Because you're a super-supporter of this client, so that client will show your profile in a different way.  

 Certainly would not hurt to at least try this approach! Apparently the gaming industry is bigger than like all sports combined, so i think you’re onto something here by taking some notes from them 

 There's people literally donating and getting nothing in return because this is currently top of mind. Having anything for sale is better than donations only 

 If it helped fund ACTUAL development , I'd prob buy something like that. 
Nostr needs a game maybe ? Like , the way Facebook had Candy Crush and Farmville. Then use the proceeds to fund Nostr development? 

 I am working on my very first game my idea is to make a nostr arcade in the future… at the moment I can only envision a site where you auth with nostr and pay with lightning… but that may change as I’ll be studying nostr seriously on Q1 of next year 

 Sounds awesome. Keep building!! Also check out https://crashglow.com/ 

 Will do, I have my little plan of going to itch.io first since I’m not sure my game is any good… also is a “simple“ 8 ball pool game… 

 Sir, what is this sorcery  

 Check out crashglow and t.me/Nostrgamedev  

 I joined the group :) 

 Being able to have a song start playing when people go to your profile old school MySpace style would be cool too! I’m hesitant to suggest this, but clients could offer an explore-like page where paying subscribers get featured, or where you can feature a post per month or something. Also some sort of shop page in client would be rad. I would pay for a spot on a shop page for my art. Maybe people still have to leave the client to actually purchase, but a featured product page of some kind possibly? 

 Skin of the month 😆 

 Purchasing visibility… that’s advertisement.  This form of advertisement would appeal to value signaling crowds. 

 That sounds amazing to me if that could happen.
#BTC #Zap #Nostr #Bitcoin 

 I've spent so much money on skins for my kids it's insane. 

 @jb55 / Damus did this with zap match with a star. Depending upon the color of your star by your name was decided on what % you were matching every zap to donate.

Apple hoodwinked that feature like the “think different” 🤡 they have shown to be. 

 This is a significant part of Discord's business model, as far as I can tell. 

 that's why they call their value add on the freemium base "nitro" like nitromethane mixed with methanol as used in RC engines and in Mad Max movie scripts 

 Seems like a good spam prevetion/verification method as well 

 That sounds like a good idea. 

 Sort of like the blue check, but actually earned 

 Very Interesting! I have been including them in some designs, along with badges, but didn't realise they were the n° 1 thing gamers payed for. 

The big downside of doing this on a protocol though, is that it's not ONE platform guaranteeing your status across the experience of ALL users.  

 No guarantees in life

The rug pulls will continue until skins improve 

 From kids in Roblox to adults playing CoD, skins make mega millions 🤙 

 winamp !! 

 They don’t affect gameplay but are visible within the arena.  Ie colorful skin effects and animations 

 Hats! 

 Vanity items. 

The big thing currently (?) is people buying a season pass with about 100 rewards. The more they play, the more they unlock. Be it Skins for their avatar, their weapons, emotes, basically anything that can promote the 'individuality' of a player. If people enjoy the action loop within a game and the 3-5 seconds of actions which they repeat for 8 hours straight... and we can emulate that without becoming an endless feed of doom...

Maybe we should get everyone hooked on a daily Nostr dosage. Like the season/battle pass every time people logon they get rewarded with something. 

Should there be achievements/trophies within Nostr for accomplishing things? I'm way overthinking this and the gamification aspect. In MMORPGs like WoW it's very common for people to spend 8-12hours in that world. There's vanity items of course but the best items in the game are those earnt through time and persistence. 

Will the unification between something like https://www.onosendai.tech/ , Nostr, Bitcoin and Gaming be the huge leap forward I wonder.

Perhaps @arkinox could think of a way to entice people to stay in the Nostrverse? (Sorry for @'ing you chief!) 

 I basically never stop thinking about this.

We are going to gamify Nostrocket and Yondar. I am figuring out how to build mixed-reality games on the #cyberspace meta-protocol. Gamification is a way to unlock human potential and productivity, as well as making experiences more rewarding.

https://yukaichou.com/gamification-examples/octalysis-complete-gamification-framework/ has incredible insight into how to design gamification that rewards effort without being addictive or evil. 

 Damn, this might be a way of gamifying apps that I might actually like. Fascinating framework 🤩. 
Seems like Nostrocket could easily beat quite some apps on the meaning front.  

 freemium is always more expensive for those who pay, but it gets them in the door

this is also why open source media (including software) does better than closed source - it is free advertising, essentially, you just have to have a payment mechanism in the process somewhere, vouchers are a cheap mechanism 

 oh yeah, open source software is a lot of free testing too, that's a major dev expense 

 Nostr loot crates incoming . 

 Lolol was just seeing this nostr:note1nyz2pwg8q6txet30vq0xg78rczar5ghckcqqhldsyttqjuxtqngqxmvmqn 

 With real life ostriches 

 I feel like game publishers would love bitcoin lightning for microtransactions. It would probably just remove the whole chargeback headache. 

however, fuck microtransactions that aren't zaps.  

 What's the "chargeback headache"? 
 

 Skins! Woot 

 I'd love Skins! 

 but free-to-play (often aka pay-to-win) / microtransactions are often complained about the most. If you look at perhaps the most popular, acclaimed and loved game recently it's probably something like Elden Ring which was bought upfront. 

 This is the way for nostr:
- app is free
- pay 4.99 eur per month to upgrade to verified with sending/receiving micropayments
- pay 24.99 eur per month for analytics and account customization  

 skins for CS and Fortnite are extremely profitable.

Nostr Badges could be the way to replicate them 

 This smells like winner bias. There are a few free-to-play titles that achieve this, but the larger majority of titles never get anywhere. Steam and appstore monopolies have absolute control over this. 

 Not sure how/if this would apply to app design, but as a long-time gamer I've seen that free-to-play games tend to have worse (in my opinion) design due to their monetization strategy. They tend to only be a certain genre and most are designed to have endless gameplay loops and engagement maxing. I find the incentives horrible.

 

 For monthly subscribers, you could allow them to be part of a manage node to help onboard users and satoshis into lightning channels. 

 WE CAN LEARN A LOT FROM THE GAMING WORLD IN TERMS OF MONETIZATION. TURNS OUT THAT FREE-TO-PLAY IS ACTUALLY MORE PROFITABLE THAN PAYING FOR A TITLE OUTRIGHT, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT.

https://m.primal.net/HVom.png 

 Yeah but F2P is a cancer. Games are riddled with ads and you end up wasting money on in app purchases to unlock the full game. 

 This is the same as having 10 minutes of ads at the beginning of your podcast or making people pay for Patreon to get the “bonus” content. 

 That's the opposite of what I mean.  

 If you are interested in nostr-based game development and gamification, join https://t.me/Nostrgamedev

We are trying to figure out how to bridge nostr and gaming! 

 Why telegram? 

 No nostr replacement yet. It's popular and convenient 

 Yeah if you completely destroy your UX... Free to play with microtransactions is NOT what consumers want.  

 I don't like gambling mechanics geared at kids and young adults, it's traning the next generation to be degen gamblers and you have to play to win 

 Not all games that have skins have gambling mechanics.  

 Why am I craving pork rinds, rn? 

 Slippery slope 

 Very slippery. 

 Sorry, what does play to win mean? 

 I meant pay to win 

 It's a simple and the most fair model we have to date. Valve pioneered it with TF2 and perfected it later with CS:GO and Dota 2. 

Give users a complete functional experience for free, and sell them emotional experiences - hats, knives, etc. #nostrdesign 

 skins provide stimulation even when the game itself doesn't so much anymore

there's also the status and hierarchy aspect involved. those with higher buying power can flex their muscles in-game, while it has zero effect on gameplay 

 I’m gonna hate myself for saying this but… monetizing stinking badges. 😂 

 This is why Blizzard switched Overwatch from paid to Freemium. 

 As an avid gamer, I can confirm. Hell, as a father of kids that play "free" games such as Fortnite or Roblox, I can double and triple confirm. 
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 https://i.nostr.build/ZJr8.jpg
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 Pro features and extreme customization options behind an in app purchase is a great monetization way for Nostr clients.

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 As long as we stay away from Gacha. 
That shit is evil.
(Damn you Genshin Impact!!!)

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 On the dark side of things, social credit scores is a gamification of humanity. 

 That, and a lot more exploitative. Sadly so.
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 Enjoying the popcorn reading this thread watching freedom loving Nostrichs and Bitcoiners judge others for their choices, and the caramel is discovering that Odell plays Fortnight! 
🤭🍿 

 Yup. While it is dangerous, we can definitely do.
I wrote something related to that:

"Gamify Nostr"
https://habla.news/freakoverse/1688899704407 

 It might make more money but it's 99% of the time games that are way worst than normal games if not completely shitty altoghter. It's also a money trap for young players who get addicted to a game and spend way more than they would have on an upfront paid game. Thus why it's making more money, mot that they are better or bring more to the players.

That's why I'm not cautioning free-to-play and will continue to buy and play Mario, Zelda, Alan Wake, CyberPunk 2077 and more that offer a lot for what you pay for. 

 You just named single player games only, think of the multiplayer games that are free to play but people pay through the nose for battle passes and skins etc. If the game is good enough and free why not throw the devs $15 for some stupid vanity item which doesn't actually level up your avatar in any way. 

I'm just a game junkie either way, I do err on the side of caution when dealing with f2p at the start but if it the devs do it proper justice then I have absolutely *NO* qualms with giving them some money for creating something worth playing. 
 

 I think GameFi is gonna be a big driver this coming cycle. 

 https://njump.me/nevent1qqs84la7duj3g0g700uq9vp9dz507w4qpp4elrcz2una47gnc8lgkjsppamhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5pzqpgrynk4lqazk45jsh3700jpkqgmehnta6xjunmn9um7qn5e52c2qvzqqqqqqyjtm0dn 

 list of donors or creating a hall of fame is defo a good idea! 

 Note flairs, so when you reply in a thread your message shows up a little different 

 Awesome idea!

I was thinking maybe the note flairs would be free and applicable by anybody.. however the design would be somewhat intricate by nature and so would require content creators. What then feels natural to me is creating a digital marketplace which is baked into every client. A % would go to relays, and all actors in the nostr as well as the creator naturally.  

 Yeah that's a nice idea. It would be a pity if these visual perks were bound to a specific client, because there's less incentive to bother.

This is why I kinda like badges, even though its still up to the client to surface them as part of their UX 

 Wonder if any #linux majors on #nostr can share any wisdom on how gnome/kde/xfce work and if swapping between them is something quite easy for the layman? 

 Until they make it pay2win  

 What about unlocking premium client features with payment? A global search would be cool and something worth paying for. This also incentivizes development and innovation. 

 a bit of history 
https://youtu.be/7EZu9NoWV5k?si=9x_so45w9ylZ68er 

 League even has it's own 1v1 and 2v2 fighter coming out which is 2D, like Street Fighter. Pretty cool.

They've created a foundation with LoL with a huge roster of characters and then unleash that into other game genres. 

 yes, but the microtransaction market is for prestige, vanity and sometimes reduces the experience of the game, not every game developer got it right. 

Freemium games are also a product of people not having money to do anything else with their free time 

 To anyone here that is not a gamer; free to play is the shitcoinery of the gaming world. Treat it appropriately. 

 I agree as a gamer but as a pragmatist I have to question how well some multiplayer f2p games do...

OW2
CS2
The Finals
LoL
Valorant
Fortnite
CoD: Warzone

Is the nostr a singleplayer or multiplayer experience 🤔 

 Nah fam,
This is not the way. 

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