Oddbean new post about login | logout In America you can grow up the child of a drug addict engulfed in trauma and rise through your own individual effort to become the vice president of the United States. Stop the black pill bullshit. America is a beautiful place worth fighting for.
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In the UK, you can grow up the child of a wife beater and involved in satanic ritual abuse, trauma and rise through your dad’s connections with the Rothschilds and Rockefellors and eugenics’ families to become the vice prime minister of the United Kingdom.
How is that special to the US? Also a harsh childhood does not make you great fit for a leader, per se ;) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_Stalin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
Because jd Vance didn’t have to kill anyone to do it
I hope so, but that was not my point. Also I don't believe in a solely individual path. One does not operate in isolation. Even the great jd Vance did not accomplish this entirely by himself alone, he had mentors and role models for example, but I am impressed by his path (on wikipedia, fwiw) to this position. I can only hope he has the love and wisdom, gathered in is life, within him to be a great leader and make your country whole again.
As an 80’s Euro kid, the American Dream felt so alive. Until it didn’t. Judging from afar the dream seemed to have woken up to some awfully orchestrated reality that was totally rigged. Until now. From Trump getting up and yelling FIGHT to this historic comeback victory it is very clear. The American Dream is still alive 👏👏👏
The only thing clear, is that Americans are stupid AF for electing a convicted felon, fraudster and insurrectionist. I knew people hated democrats I just didn’t think they were willing to go scorched earth to keep one out of the White House.
You’ve been brainwashed pretty heavily by your media environment. Wishing you luck undoing it.
Of course. Any time someone speaks bad of the tangerine turd and backs it up with proof, somehow we’re the ones who are brainwashed. 🤦🏻♂️This is coming from a party that still thinks the 2020 election was rigged but can’t prove a damn thing to support it. Seriously, what is it you’re trying to say, he wasn’t actually convicted of multiple felonies, fraud and insurrection? He wasn’t impeached twice the last time he was in office? He didn’t actually gas his own citizens to have a photo op with a bible? He didn’t make his supporters wait for hours in the cold so that he could be on a podcast? Did he not sell NFT’s like a late night oxyclean salesman, all the while actually thinking that he’s a better president than a founding father and the man who ended slavery? Tell me when you want me to stop… TL;DR He has been convicted in a court of law, he has absolutely no proof to back up his conspiracy claims, yet we’re the ones being brainwashed... 🤦🏻♂️
The convictions are bogus bud. Don’t you think it’s a little weird that you care so much about a politician from a country you don’t live in? If that happened to me it would make me wonder if someone else had put that thought into my mind. Again wishing you luck on your journey of self reflection and meta cognitive unpacking.
Of course they are. 🤦🏻♂️The convictions from a court of law are bogus, but whatever the tangerine turd happens to spew, is gospel. And we’re the ones who are brainwashed? JFC As far as my residency, I am American, I’m not sure why you assumed I wasn’t. And even if I weren’t, what would be strange about having a strong opinion about who the leader of the free world is? If I lived in Germany, I would not be so ignorant as to think that whatever happens in America, will have no effect on myself, in Germany. You call it weird, I would call it common sense. 🤷🏻♂️ Not sure what the rest of that rambling is about. I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt because you have so many followers, but it turns out you’re not really any different from any other Trump fan that I have come across. Take care and save the projecting for someone dumb enough to go along with it…
I also found it very interesting that that’s the only part of my statement that you attacked, so I will take it as an acknowledgment of the rest.
Sounds like something someone like you would do.
Ok, now I know you’re a kid. I am not sure why you think this sounds like something I would do when you don’t even know me. Also, that’s how a conversation/argument/debate works. I make a statement and you are free to rebut any part of that statement. And since you only chose that one aspect of my comment to attack, it’s fair to assume that’s the only part of my statement that you take issue with.
I’m a man in my 30’s bud
That’s a shame. At least if you were a kid, you could justify some of your childish behavior. Now you just remind me of any other cellar dweller who still lives at home with mom and dad.
Cellar dweller? You’re not really an American are you? lol who talks like that?
That’s just how they’re programmed to speak.
You’re a moron.
Good thing there’s an adult in the room 👍😂
Not for the adult it’s not. 🤷🏻♂️ We’re supposed to be brainwashed by the media, yet, when I state a fact, instead of a rebuttal, I get anecdotes. I mention that the tangerine turd is a convicted felon, which is a fact. And as a rebuttal, I get, “the charges are bogus”. Hmm, ok, do you plan on proving that or am I just supposed to take your word for it?
Bro, I was kidding. You don’t sound like a stable adult at all. Take a break from the news. It’s bad for you.
Corporate media has poisoned people’s minds. Many such cases.
If you care so much about who the chief 🤡 is, it tells me one thing: you don’t own enough bitcoin
Sell your bitcoin. Bitcoin was not created for people like you. You probably don't have much anyways
Awe.. you’re so lost… It’s a bit heartbreaking when you see it, but really there’s no undoing the damage you’ve gone through. Good luck NPC🫡
You’re backing someone who has been pushing conspiracy theories for the past four years, with no proof and several court dismissal to show for it, and I’m the puppet? Polly want a cracker? 🤦🏻♂️
I really should stay clear of this thread but will just make one little comment. Do as you wish with it. One of the main thing to come out of this election for someone like me who spends life immersed in data is the numbers and not just totals but by states. I care not for lawyers or rhetoric from either side, it's distraction from an issue. The numbers demonstrate an extremely high probability of massive corruption in the previous election. If you'd believe that, drop the media or social media, download some data and have a play yourself. The last election was a total fraud. Any partisan position on this is infantile: For dems, if you don't admit to reality and assist in fixing this, it could be done in future by the other side. For reps, you might despise the idea that the last election was a cheat but you'd not benefit from it being done in future the other way around. Y'all need to get together, bury the hatchet, admit to some blunt numerical facts and work to fix this so you can all have a little more faith in each other, regardless which direction wins.
Any chance you can give an ELI5 explanation of those numbers?
Better from people who know how to explain things. Am awful. I'll try to find some of the summary papers on looking at election stats. These an amazing guy frpm I think stanford who shows how to really do it properly. Should be easy to find as always trotted out when Putin gets elected and was cancelled on last us election. I honestly am not great at maths but I know how to download data and ask simple questions. First one is where do 19m people disappear to. Start looking through from there. I'll try to find one of the pubs on doing this stuff properly
Found it. Look up the finite mixture model. It's a question of trend analysis. To be honest, I didn't even bother. I just found data from both electionsand compared numbers. It's way to blatant so moved on. I saw couple of articles recently with finite mixture on Georgia elections. Did not look encouraging
Thanks bro 👍
If you haven’t seen it and are curious, look up Guatemala making elections more transparent and verifiable on the blockchain. No reason USA can’t simply do something like that. If there are questions on integrity, the lack thereof is possibly by design in any system.
For someone who immerses themselves in data, all I read are more assumptions and no actual facts. If it’s so clear to y’all that it was a fraud, why can’t anybody prove it? If I understand you correctly, you’re basing this statement on the fact that Trump had a commanding victory in the latest election and because he could do no wrong, it’s easier for yall to create a conspiracy theory to explain his loss in 2020 rather than accept the facts. And when I say facts, I mean what can actually be proven. This, as it stands, is anecdotal at best.
I think the disconnect is believing people voted for Trump. Many voted against the Democrats including many people that have voted Dem their whole lives. They gaslit their base saying there was nothing wrong with Joe Biden for several years, only to have a weekend rendezvous coup and install Kamala as the candidate over holding an open primary, and then they resumed the gaslighting by saying Trump was "the end of democracy" yet they literally just committed an equivalent act on their base. This was after nearly the last decade where they kneecapped Bernie, pushed multiple prominent young party members out (while doing some heinous shit to them) like Tulsi Gabbard, as well as vilified a portion of their wealthy donor class. Finally, the majority of America is relatively moderate/centrist. Pretty much every election was a candidate that was just slightly left or right of center but within the last decade the Dems also decided to crank the volume on that from a 7 to bat shit crazy. Extreme candidates pushing their narratives like the Squad. The DEI movements that saw many people lose promotions or jobs to someone that was not equally qualified just to hit a made up quota. The insane push for trans everything -- tell me how every celeb just happens to have multiple LGBTQ kids wanting to be the opposite sex when that would be a statistical anomaly? So on and so forth. People got fed the fuck up. They voted against the Democratic Party more so than voting for Donald Trump. Moreover, the fact that all of the discarded Democrats that joined the Republican party made it look more like what they were used to via what their party had become. All the party needs to do is return closer to the center and they'll be fine. That should start with burning down the co-opted DNC. So, if you actually care about the Democratic Party, that is where your hatred and vitriol should be placed, and you should mobilize fellow Dems to demand change from within. But hey... Orange Man Bad. Amirite?
The TL;DR of this seems to be, you feel like people voted for the lesser of two evils, not really having support for their party, but absolutely against the opposition. What this election has shown me is that people are willing to go to extremes or to make decisions they normally wouldn’t make, for the sole purpose of change. Everyone hates what the democrats have done in the past four years so much they are willing to forget about all of the dangers Trump brings with him to the job. That’s when I know Americans are finally fed up. And to be clear, I don’t box myself in with an affiliation, there are aspects of both parties I like and obviously aspects of both I dislike. Just getting that out of the way because that’s usually the first thing people think. If I am disparaging the Republicans, I must be a democrat. Uhm, no, I don’t, lol.
Yep, that's exactly how I see it. I help run our local Bitcoin meetup and we have multiple lifetime Dems that held their nose and voted Trump this cycle. I'm talking deeply entrenched from places like Chicago and New York and find their lifelong party nothing like what they grew up with. I will also say I heard both of those I'm referencing they believed Kamala was a bigger threat to democracy than Trump. Definitely wasn't a good look to be projecting Trump was the "End of Democracy" and then going on TV and talking about censoring social media. Lastly, I think the Dems could have put up multiple moderate candidates and beat Trump, especially if they didn't ostracize Tulsi, RFK. I fully believe that if they didn't go so extreme over this last decade and ran Tulsi this cycle, we'd see our first woman President in history. Now she is likely to be the first woman President as a Republican.
Very well said. 👌
IF YOU DONT LIKE AMERICA GO TO YOUR LOCAL U.S EMBASSY AND RENOUNCE YOUR CITIZENSHIP OR SHUT YOUR BITCH ASS UP LOOK IN THE MIRROR TAKE THAT SELF ACCOUNTABILITY PILL REALIZE YOU ARE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF LIVING IN THEE GREATEST COUNTRY IN HUMAN FUCKIN HISTORY I HATE ALL OF YOU ANTI AMERICAN PUSSYS DO SOME PUSH UPS AND STOP WHINING BITCH
When was America great again?
1776 onward
Slavery was legally present and practiced in all thirteen colonies in 1776. That is greatness to you?
You know where else it was legally present and practiced? The entire rest of the world. America fought a bloody war to free the slaves. America is not perfect but it is great.
Freeing the slaves was not the original goal of the Civil War, it became a fundamental aspect of the Union's war efforts as the conflict evolved. I know that slavery was present in many other parts of the world, but I don't go around saying that these times were actually great.
Humanity is always imperfectly striving forward. I don’t cast blame on the past, but rather look to it for inspiration about the future.
So you don't cast blame on slavery? Is that what you're saying?
Yes total greatness. The best place in the world
1865 - 1913 then. No more slavery; YASSS ENERGY & INDUSTRY! Humanity's quality of life exploded upwards thanks to the US in those decades.
It still was at this point a racist, invasive country towards Black and Indigenous people (Displacement, Wounded Knee 1890). Jim Crow Era. Segregation. Labor exploitation, poor working conditions, child labor. Imperialistic annexation of Hawaii. Political scandals like the Credit Mobiliar one or the Whiskey Ring. Women were not allowed to vote. You want to make the United States like this again?
If I have to indulge your illogical equivalences, then yes, because the US hasn't done much more net positive for humanity domestically or abroad since before WW1. The best parts of the Industrial Revolution far outshine the worst in the history of the human race. Exploitation? Even low paid workers were paid in real gold-backed money back then; today, most folks work for _monopoly credit points_. We are much closer to "slavery" today than in those decades before WW1.
Second paragraph is your opinion and that is okay. You’re talking about economic greatness and I am talking about moral/human greatness. What I want to say is that I understand your point of view regarding the economic growth of the US in that period.
people often confuse perfect and great when it fits their narrative they are trying to push. anyone is free to leave