Oddbean new post about login | logout When I joined nostr, my first thought as to why this protocol would win was — network effects due to interoperability of apps and intermingling of content. This was pre-zaps and I certainly didn’t care about censorship resistance one bit. Sadly, we don’t have great cross-app experiences yet. We have some and they are cool, but nothing killer. Nothing feels quite polished enough just yet. I still believe this is nostr’s best selling point. But we don’t have a good experience to sell yet. Zaps are awesome but too niche. Maybe in the long run people will realize how awesome they are. Censorship resistance- meh, no one cares. Id love to see more of the interoperability ideas and some collaboration for polished experiences.
Would a Nostr wordpress plugin be cool? IDK
I really don’t understand why the zapping is regarded to be such as fantastic thing. I don’t care. And I’m 100% i bitcoin. Just don’t get it.
I think people are hoping that by funding content creators through zaps, we can avoid the advertising model and the inherent pitfalls of such a model.
That model exists because it works. It puts the burden of costs on the seller who can stomach larger investments when they consider the full customer lifetime value. I don’t like the incentives it produces, but there’s no denying it’s economically feasible and desired.
do you have any sort of examples or thoughts regarding what you mean by cross-app experience?
- being able to read long form articles written in another app (and not necessarily a nostr app) - fetching your uploaded videos into your social profile - joining nests from any of the social clients - being able to reach all of your followers in an async manner with 100% reach to notify them of anything - being able to see your galleries, collections and products in your profile or feed somehow But the biggest advantage is having one use case win and brining users do the rest of the protocol.
i think the nests one would be huge and would make the most sense to implement followed by the long-form articles 🤔 exciting topic 💜
Yeah we have some of this already but not all that polished. And I’m not even certain these are the winning experiences. We may have yet to discover the good stuff.
“Censorship resistance - meh…, no one cares!” — If you don't live in a country occupied by a dictatorship where people are arrested for just speaking their mind! 🤫
Where are those people? If they cared so much why aren’t they here?
Are you sure they're not here? Do you know everyone here? I live in a country where people are caged for simply speaking the truth! There are 70-year-old ladies, housewives, prisoners, journalists, and even politicians legally elected by the people! Take it easy with your conclusions, friend! With all the problems, the country you live in must be great! Enjoy the journey!
We have 10k active users. You’re telling me there are 10k oppressed people in the world? Id be happy if we reach them eventually. Not denying that they don’t exist, just not sure how much they actually care.
You are being very literal and interpreting what you read in your own way, from your point of view! When I asked you if you were sure they weren't here, I didn't mention the numbers at all (as you did). I think you see numbers, while I'm seeing people! It's the impression it gives when reading what you write.
Agree. If you’re not a digital nerd, Nostr is kinda useless. Manage (paid for) relays, plugins, backups and so on is a thrill as being part of the revolution -with lots of promises. But for ordinary people …
Nostr is my first real jump into social media, so i don't have much to compare it to. However, I have other accounts set up now in X, linkedin, etc. To me nostr is the most organic experience by far! It feels very much like a town square. The is no algorithm to control you. This I feel, is the best attribute to nostr. There is nothing controlling you. The geewiz features will come in time... However, lets not overlook what we have. I true digital town square. This is what is what is needed to counteract nefarious forces trying to heard us into a future dystopia.
While I agree with nostr being special for the reasons you mention, we have to remember people come for different reasons other than what we’re passionate about. Wishing really hard for people to care about our issues won’t magically flip a switch. You can educate but that push marketing and is very difficult. It’s sales. People hate being sold to. You need something that pulls people in for reasons it’s interesting to them. Of course, you can still educate about aspects important to you.
We don’t disagree. It is going to happen in the right timing. Nostr is an experience the other socials do not have. Most people can feel what is happening at Facebook etc. but just don’t know what else is out there. Cheers!
Maybe this might miss your point here. This sentiment has existed for as long as new things have come along and will happen in the future with newer things. It is a valid view point because this is how we signal that more work needs to be done in what may be more important. I agree interoperability as in solving the walled garden problem is probsbly nostr’s best feature. Nostr is never going to out-twitter twitter or out-do YouTube etc. The focus will need to be both on some base interoperability and uses for Nostr that are more in the background. Probably rambling a bit.
A fresh, new and interesting applicatioon where the user doesn't know they are using nostr, is what will lead to mass adoption. 99.999% Users don't know the intricacies of TCP/UDP, HTTP(S) or DNS when they use the internet, the same applies to nostr. It's a protocol, not a platform. It needs to, and will, melt into the background.
Agreed; the interoperability aspect of Nostr isn’t the killer yet as it really only exists between social clients. Something like Farcaster’s Frames would honestly be a really interesting way to implement native interoperability between social clients and microapps.
killer feature*