Oddbean

A lot of American right-wingers dis on the United Nations, consider the whole thing a joke. I'm starting to think this is because they call out Israel. Is that correct? Was all the anti-UN rhetoric planted by Israel in order to make it acceptible to ignore the U.N. callouts of what Israel does? Of course the administration of the U.N. (the administration of any organisation) is full of woke idiots. That's just how administrators are. But primarily the U.N. is a major means for all of the countries of the world to negotiate. And if all the countries of the world vote to pass some resolution, except for two of them, that has nothing to do with the woke nonsense of the administrators. Don't be fooled.

I don't know about the opinions of groups, but personally I see the UN as a toothless organization that has political power and very little physical power. When push comes to shove they are useless. There have been instances in which they were on tbe ground near a massacre and could do nothing about it. Historically they have allowed Israel to get away with war crimes because of US voting in the UN. I can't recall any specifics, but there have been numerous votes where everyone except Israel and the US voted on the other side of a resolution. Ultimately I am unsure that any global organization can maintain legitimacy over the long run.

IMHO it is a good thing that they are toothless. Otherwise we would end up with one world government. The U.N. best serves as a point for global negotiation. The U.N. can organise collective action of member states.

We are on the same page not wanting a one world government. I don't know enough about the UN's policies and historical actions to say if they have been beneficial or if they have just maintained the status quo.

You know what? Any country can bring to the international criminal court a process accusing Israel of genocide, but NO country did it yet. That's so weird!! https://mondoweiss.net/2023/12/getting-serious-about-halting-israeli-genocide/

Israel has not committed genocide. It is however committing an ethnic cleansing. As for the ICC I have strong reservations. No power should be global and centralized. I'm glad the U.N. is feckless and the WHO should not have power either. Nations should retain 100% of their sovereign power.

Thanks for the distinction between genocide and ethnic cleansing. I looked into UNs Definition of both. While There's a clear definition of genocíde there, there's no clear definition of ethic cleansing. The examples given give me the impression that genocide is ethnic cleansing on steroids. You might like the link: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

It might be genocide, I'm not a linguist. I think it's better to just say that they want them gone somehow. It seems they believe that if they retaliate with overwhelming force, that Palestinians will be "beaten into submission". But I don't think it works like that. It might work that way with animals, breaking an animals spirit like a horse... but once a creature has 'religion' they will die for their cause, their spirit can't be broken. So IMHO they are not doing it to "kill them all" but I think that they won't get what they are seeking unless the do commit genocide, so I don't see how this ends well.

- I wouldn't call myself a right wing; rather just anticommunist; pretty libertarian, although I somehow respect the state borders. - I think Israel is by now very clearly committing the genocide. Still, resolutions are very fiat. Same as the constitution. If it's not actively and credibly defended and enforced, it's not worth much.

Ok, resolutions have no enforcement power, sure. I don't think they should. But nations negotiating and communicating so they can understand each other's position better has got to be a good thing. That is what I appreciate about the U.N. general assembly. And when all but 2 vote a certain way, that is useful information, not something that should be ignored because the rest of the U.N. are communist idiots. I would say Israel is committing ethnic cleansing, not genocide. A genocide requires an intention to eliminate a people, and 20,000 people out of 7 million is too slow to call it a genocide. They want them gone, but not necessarily dead.

I'd say it's far deeper than that. Likely some could view it as a factor, but I wouldn't think that's the primary reason. There are a lot of issues with the UN, the main one being a vehicle of world policy control. Hard to explain without a backgrounder, so check out the book or audiobook of The Creature From Jeykll Island. (There is an 8 hour abridged audiobook version on Youtube and a few other platforms). Breaks down the UN roll and how it ties in with the Central Banking / IMF / Socialism, etc. I'm sure there are other good resources, but I thought it ties it all together quite well.

The right wing is against the UN primarily because it is further centralization of government and it has its own military force. I doubt it has anything to do with Israel. The right wing is also against NATO and Israel wouldn't exist without it.

Unfortunately when people are in public settings, no work can get done and no truth can come to light. I appreciate some work they’ve done, by providing aid to individuals, similar to Red Cross type efforts and having real boots on the ground. However, just like all things of late stage globalism, it’s become dominated by those who’s motives are different than the people they are trying to represent. Peace isn’t always the answer, and neither is sticking your nose in other people’s business.

The United Nations plays a crucial role, but many people don't fully grasp the extent of its daily peacekeeping operations and humanitarian aid efforts. While I'm uncertain about the reasons behind the right-wing criticism from the US, but it is clear that Israel is actively trying to delegitimize the UN, & they have been very successful so far.

The Non Aligned Movement is the REAL UN. Most of the world is already in it, and its charter is far less friendly to imperialism. Every country not veto-wielding UNSC mafiosi should rug the UN and go NAM-only