Oddbean

Bang on. 🎯 They're also being sucked into speaking at conferences, talking on podcasts, and other things that they should not need to do The other thing we need is a little patience The progress made so far is incredible When I downloaded Damus for the first time I couldn't even upload a profile picture

Bitkarrot is an atypical developer you can’t use her as an example. You think Zuckerberg made Facebook by just writing the code he wanted? He made what the other students wanted, because all he originally wanted to build was for swiping hot or not on his fellow students on facemash.

I was told marketing was fired. https://i.nostr.build/aV8X98UL96pj9ct7.jpg nostr:nevent1qqsvjqqgwm2gvtrdqwpvserp4vlsj7ghsnm88s9z8negrh0lagh76jqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygpx6655ve67vqlcme9ld7ww73pqx7msclhwzu8lqmkhvuluxnyc7ypsgqqqqqqs2tdtps

And that’s amazing. I feel like it’s gotta be so annoying for devs to answer the same questions a million times when they could just explain it to one person who can then be delegated with the questions. A lot of us are always like “wahhhh we can’t code so we can’t contribute unless we are just regularly zapping devs”, but there’s plenty of ways we can be helping to give the devs more time to focus on what they do best.

JUDGE THE ART, NOT THE ARTISTS. https://image.nostr.build/932276865d8c3e98fa212e1bc4bba42b760f8e6af69e3b0dfa65725cc75d3775.jpg nostr:nevent1qqsvjqqgwm2gvtrdqwpvserp4vlsj7ghsnm88s9z8negrh0lagh76jqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygpx6655ve67vqlcme9ld7ww73pqx7msclhwzu8lqmkhvuluxnyc7ypsgqqqqqqs2tdtps

It’s my new motto. If I’m kind of pondering something and wanna share thoughts without a million people popping up and being like, “you’re wrong”, just say “nobody asked me, but…” first 😂

the thoughts you are sharing are pushing onto the world, of course it will push back :) i don't think you're wrong, but it sounds like you want the new space to function like the old space, which feels like going backwards to me. but you didn't ask me for my opinion, i just wanted to give it, as your message didn't resonate with me.

I don’t really want anything except to provide entertainment, which I can already do and I don’t have to be right or wrong to do so. I was in a nostr dev meeting last week listening to a lot of their issues and this was one of the general sentiments expressed.

This, a thousand times. It doesn't only apply only to #nostr, it applies to many many #opensource projects. The mountain of drama that could be cut out just by letting devs write code is higher than Mount Everet

Yesss! Thanks for picking up what I put down. Nobody is good at everything. There’s plenty of us sitting here twiddling our fingers wondering if there’s any way we could possibly contribute without development experience.

This is so cool to read, and sounds like a real opportunity for devs here. That's the flip side I hope - on Facebook etc no user is willing to make anything better because "the company" will deal with anyway, if you like it or not. Here, things are different. Users monitor the network and build up knowledge, like you do. How awesome is that 😎 Unfortunately, I have no viable product. But be assured when the millions roll in with my awesome nostr app, you'll be my head of marketing! 😁

10,000 percent agreed. Marketing wouldn’t look the same here because it’s decentralized and free. We still can implement elements of what has made other companies or services successful/well-known and apply them to our projects without adopting the immoral and centralized natures. The difference is the why. It’s not sharing the project because of expected reimbursement or notoriety. It’s getting the word out, that there are other options out there that solve a lot of bigger problems.

I think you read that more cynical than I meant it 😅 I definitely didn't want to imply that you do what you do for the zaps 😬 but yup, I guess the traditional start-up would have to be very creative to meet their (shareholder) goals on nostr. I'm not sure if that's an "we are early" or "it can't be done" thing though. It works to some extent for email, but there it's usually ad-driven or just really good service people want to pay for

Oops no I communicated it wrong. That’s why I do wayyyyy better with videos. I meant the clients and nostr projects, not me personally. Like when the devs make a note about their new updates and a bunch of us renote it, that’s a form of marketing to me. We want to share things that are useful and solve problems, not because there’s some type of financial or data harvesting incentives. Whereas the marketing for Google/Facebook have much more nefarious intentions besides “wanting to share something that could be useful or solve a problem”

Don't worry, I'm a basement dweller and probably didn't get it right either. 😄 Thanks for getting back, now I got your point. And it's a good one 💜 I personally like this form of marketing a lot more

Hey now not just devs were hanging out in the basement slaying bugbears and dragons, but you are correct… the developers shouldn’t have to be the only ones marketing the protocol and the clients… I understand why most of them do it… they create a program to run on nostr and it might just be them or a few people that designed and built it for free or very little money and they don’t have money to hire someone let alone a group to market their product and answer the “help desk” questions and people that don’t feel like they have a stake in any of it because they didn’t build it don’t want to push it for free, so the devs wear all the hats hoping to get to the point where they can hire a team… but what the people not willing to do something for free doesn’t get is that we all have a stake… a stake in making sure that this beautiful thing that is Nostr does not fail, fall apart and disappear. I love the protocol, it is nice not being the product of some billionaire that is just trying to raise my blood pressure with their fucking algorithm so they can sell more advertising to drug companies, selling my likes to pollsters, or my data to every telemarketing giant that wants to text me at 1AM with some junk mail or suggest what I “need” everytime I open any app that has advertisements in them… I try to be as good an ambassador as I can to this protocol and answer a question if I can, as I think most of the older nostriches should… just my 2 cents. #Noshole4President

Yeah our “marketing” would not at all be the same as our preconceived notion of what “marketing” is because it’s not a “business”, but it is a service that is a solution to a problem experienced by many. We can all be of more help. Even if you’ve only been on nostr for 2 days, you still know more than someone on their first day. The devs should absolutely share, explain, talk about their projects that they are passionate about, IF that’s what they want. …but not everyone’s gonna get it at first and not all devs want to waste their time explaining things that they view as simple or obvious or have already explained a million times 😂

I got the answers: “please hold” “Someone kicked his puppy” “Doing stuff that doesn’t involve you” “Are you human? If so, prove it by making mistakes… or just don’t fuck up as much” “Ask them about their cat” “ @jack doesn’t even reply to his mom, why would he reply to you” Next call

"Let developers be developers." This is not only a nostr but also a lightning problem. Both open networks need companies with solid business models and more than developes in order to bring them to the next level. Too many lighting and nostr projects are developer driven without proper UX, Support, Marketing and Sales. nostr:note1eyqqsak5sckx6quzepjxr2elp9u30p8kw0q2y08js8wll630a4yquagz6d