Oddbean new post about login | logout Yeah. I don't agree with slaughter houses either. The difference between me and you though is that I do not deny that I am an omnivore. Our bodies require meat in order to thrive and not be emotionally driven weaklings in desperate need of protein and natural fats. I believe that farmers should raise their cattle and livestock free with an all organic diet. Cruelty free in the sunshine until it is their time. Then the farmer humanely harvests them as needed. Quickly and painlessly with a shotgun, or an axe.
Well, I can say I've been a vegetarian my whole life and vegan (and I'm talking about a healthy vegan diet...no functional food...) for 14 years... And I have no health issues 🤸 So, I disagree with that: we don't actually need meat to thrive. All plants have all the essential amino acids. And that's where the big confusion lies. People think we humans need a lot of protein. But that's not the case. We need all the essential amino acids so our body can build proteins from them. When we eat proteins, our body has to break them down first so we have the amino acids so the body has building blocks. I also believe it's way better to eat fat and oil from the whole seed and nut etc, then just the extracted oil. I also don't think there is a humane way to kill... Killing means suffering and stress. Dying is not killing... If a cow is old and ready to go, the meat will probably not be enjoyable. As the process of dying means, the body is already in the process of decomposing. But I know, that this discussion is endless 😢
Regenerative farming vs industrial farming is the dilemma. It doesn't matter whether it's animals or plants or fungus. You may have an idea in your mind about what it's like to slaughter & process a cow, but I promise you, it can be done very humanely, if the cow is alone, lived a happy life, & never sees it coming. It's completely analogous to plucking, skinning, dividing and eating an avocado, one that can sustain you for 3 months. Industrial farmers care nothing about ecological balance or humane conditions. They'd rather genetically mutate the things they grow to survive on depleted land, than simply let the land regenerate itself.
Still in my point of view it's immoral to kill. All the land used for animal feed could be used to produce plant-based food... And yes, I totally agree: one or two cows at the farm lives a happy life, gives maybe birth to a baby cow, will give 90% of the milk to her baby, which will not be taken away from her and 10% goes to the farm-family. This is balance and I would say moral. Same with chickens etc. But this is sadly not the norm anymore. And yes, I also agree, that monoculture is not good at all. But the food fed to cattle is mostly produces in a mono-cultural way...We got to find a balance again
Plants kill. Plants farm bacteria and harvest them for various nutrients. So... I'm not sure how this lines up with your viewpoint. Going 100% plenty based tends to kill more individual creatures than if I eat one cow a year. I do not see how this can be reconciled. It makes very little sense to me.
the problem you are not seeing, is the plants that your cow eats! One cow eats more plants then I eat for sure...And so more plants even are killed because we feed the animal first and then kill to eat the animal...I would say it's quite paradox...
Uh... No. Cows don't kill the plants they eat, if they are left to graze. They trim down the leaves, but don't uproot the roots. In turn, their manure drops and provides food for various other creatures that increase the availability of nutrients for the grasses, which, in turn, grow healthier, which makes the cows healthier. It's an upward cycle of fertility and growth. So, if that's what you think, I'm not sure what the rest of your assumptions are.
This is a cycle that only works when there is a healthy cycle. This is only the case in the rarest of cases... Most of the time, soy and other cheap, fast-growing grains like wheat are grown and fed to the animals. Especially in winter. Most cows have never seen fresh pasture grass or touched grass with their hooves. You see that in picture books...or on very few farms. Most of the time, the land is flooded with animal excrement. This leads to: nutrient surplus and soil damage, groundwater pollution, eutrophication of water bodies, plant damage, etc. And not only that, but also all the antibiotics and hormones that end up in the water and so in our bodies... We really need to wake up and take a look at reality...!
Sure, sure but more are turning away from that. As am I. I also think that anything that comes from monoculture is bad, and that is only a recent human "invention." it will pass in time. But, more to the point of this conversation, locally grown meat is better for everyone and everything than having everyone on the planet stay eating vegan all at once. We don't have enough arable land for that to do it in a sustainable manner, and to do it sustainably, animals must be integrated into those systems, so... I still see no reason to not eat meat.
Maybe you want to check out a few of these documental movies: Earthlings Cowspiracy What the Health Forks Over Knives The Game Changers Dominion Seaspiracy Afterwards let's talk again 🙌🏼
Eh. I don't really have time for those. I know for a fact a few of them are just outright propaganda by linking at who funded them. I know I'm not going to change your mind. I appreciate the discussion. I just don't think you're correct, fundamentally. That's cool. If you are truly healthy, good. Most Vegans I run across are sickly, dim people, or, in more cases, just fat. That's so wrong. LOL
Too many vegans live off of packaged soy pudding and rice cakes, and stuff, but she can cook well.
You're very passionate about this, which is certainly respectable. But, I would never refer to killing as immoral per se. I don't think that term fits the context of your statement properly. Keep in mind that maintaining a plant-based diet can have many serious negative consequences, such as a high calorie intake with very little protein, which could lead to overeating and bloating. There's also the possibility of developing unhealthy eating and sleeping patterns, experiencing a lack of ₿ vitamins and iron, high sugar intake, reduced production of essential digestive enzymes, and digestive issues that can arise. I think It would be a good idea to prioritize your physical health over your subjective beliefs on dieting. Perhaps, you should reexamine your outlook on being vegan. Honestly, veganism never seemed reasonable to me. My two cents.
Hi @Lucas M I appreciate your concern. I have been a professional holistic nutritionist since 2006... My health is great. I know exactly how to feed my body to be healthy and at the same time not cause animal suffering. Yes, there are many people who eat themselves sick. Whether omnivores, vegan or vegetarian... But that is mainly because we allow ourselves to be manipulated by the food industry. When realise and go "back to the roots", we learn to listen to our bodies again... I eat raw! Because what is raw is intact, alive, contains all enzymes, vitamins, minerals, trace elements etc. Sprouts, ferments etc. are full of enzymes. So don't worry about me. I don't eat any canned food or grains ⚡️ Everything I put into my vessel is organic, everything made from scratch, fresh, prepared with love... and of course delicious 🤗🌱 Oh one more thing: "Diet" means lifestyle in Latin from "diaita"🤓
It really is endless. It is akin trying to convince lions to eat grass. It will never work out well. I was vegetarian for many years. As well as vegan for a short period of time. Went through all the emotional reasons for not eating meat. In the end even with research and eating all the supposedly right things. This is what happens. You are never as strong as it is supposed to be unless you eat meat. Your body is not a resilient to disease unless you eat meat. If you eat soy anything you are filling your body full of phytoestrogens which make you an illogical emotional mess constantly. Making hormonal imbalance ever present. Putting your emotional state of being on a never ending roller coaster. I was a woke soy boy that had absolutely no fucking clue what it means to be healthy and eat healthy. Once I started eating meat and avoided soy like the plague. Did I start to regain the ability to think clearly. Finally regained my masculine strength and energy. Stopped being an emotional bitch and finally manned up. This is how we should be. This is how I choose to remain. As an omnivore.
I don't do soy... actually I eat like an animal...raw only 🌱💚 No grains... only just fruits, sprouts, veggies, seeds, nuts. No foggy brain, awake, fit, healthy, alive 🤸💃🏽🤗
I can empathize with that. Just add meat and we eat similarly. I try to stay close to the gaps / keto diet. But life and limited access to quality food out while running errands gets in the way sometimes. Although pasta is my kryptonite.
Make pasta from cucumber, zucchini, carrot or beets. It's so good, with cashew-alfredo sauce! Yummy!!!
A thousand Italians screamed out in fury. Wtf is cashew Alfredo sauce!?!
You soak cashews over night or for around 4 hours. Then blend it with water, garlic, salt, nutritional yeast (gives a cheesy flavour and is rich in all vitamin B's), a little lemon juice, pepper and a little rosemary if you like. Of course you can heat it...but I do it completely raw... C'est tout 🤗 And it's sooooo yummy! Try and let me know! Oh and don't tell your Italian friends 😅
Vegan, carnivore, omnivore ... we are individuals and everyone can (should!) go their own way. There are way to many parameters that determine what's healthy for you, so you have to find out. That said I assume there is some consensus on #nostr that industrial food is the problem. My small form of self-defense against this are wild plants: herbs, shrooms ... nostr:nevent1qqsvtltlu7agvgzclvl979lyvz2y4fkgcdap4xsynkphaqwk2gxd8gcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsdl3pgkt3pk2e2pc9xl8cwf422sth2g2l4g9wa5afndvgussn66scrqsqqqqqpzccsxj
What physiological differences does one individual have over another, other than state, that they "should" go their own way?
Where did the meat get its protein and fats?
I can see through your logic and chose not to engage in a verbal tennis game based on a illogical fantasy. Animal eats plants and they thrive. That is how they live naturally. Surely we can survive off of what they eat too. Human physiology adapted over millenias to consume both plants and animals for energy. We run more efficiently with both in our diets. Simple, true, and undeniable. Just the facts. Can we survive off of just plants and no meats yes. Can we honestly thrive off of just plants and no meats, not really. We will always be lacking in vital energy which comes from animal fats. That only real meat can provide us on demand with maximum efficiently. However, there are people who will try and convince us otherwise without openly admitting to the negative side effects. They tackle with moral conflictions, because of their misunderstanding of the natural world and their place on the food chain. This is the result of being so pampered from modern amenities that they no longer have to worry about having enough to eat. We are hunter gatherers. It is in our nature and instinct to hunt, kill, and eat animals. As well as it is to cultivate plants to harvest to. Choose to find splice in this balance, or live a life filled with delusion and high probability of constant malnutrition. Not knocking peoples life choices. You wanna be a vegetarian or vegan, you do you. Be happy. Just being brutally honest with my understanding of scientific reality.
What specific physiological adaptations have taken place? This alleged instinct to hunt, kill and eat animals, what does that feel like? I have never felt that. The instinct to pick fruit off of a tree and eat it, I can relate. High probability of constant malnutrition? I am 64, the last 36 of which I must just be lucky to beat the odds living my illogical fantasy.
Bless your heart. Good for you little buddy. Have a wonderful day.