Oddbean new post about login | logout This is why my Phone is Graphene OS, I use VPN, and my computer is linux based.
Your phone could be made of magic, but it's still gonna leave a record of your movements with the cellular towers.
Yeah, I use a non contract carrier but I know it still goes through Verizon towers.
Plus backdoored cellular modems with over the air root
If you turn on airplane mode it disables the cellular modem, also if the modem is compromised it can't affect the OS because it's isolated via IOMMU. The only thing a compromised modem could do is ignore airplane mode commands.
If you're going to keep airplane mode on 100% of the time, why would you have a device with a cellular modem? If you're going to turn airplane mode off, your backdoor is open. It's just a thing we have to accept for now if we want to have phones. Someday we'll have better hardware.
What phone do you recommend?
GrapheneOS is good if you've got to carry one. The point is never to forget that if you're carrying a phone, you're still being tracked, even if you're limiting the damage from app-based threats. It is baked into the design oftheinfrastructure: if you can see the network, the network can see you. And it takes notes.
Good advice, thank you. We need a viable alternative to traditional phone carriers and towers, most people need to stay connected for work or with family these days, unfortunate that it comes at such a cost.
Just a curious question if you don't mind, what do you think about starlink technology? Do you think it will be better than traditional phone carriers in terms of privacy and features? Do you think it is a viable alternative?
Meshtastic and LoRa is the way.
fact.
What about Pinephone Pro with the modem disabled by the hardware toggle or Librem 5 with the modem removed or disabled via the switch?
The hardware is not secure, nor is software. Just flash GOS or Divestos and put limiting amount of information. Better security can lead to better privacy. Nothing is ironclad but GOS dose the most reasonable moves.
"if you can see the network, the network can see you. And it takes notes." Even when I leave my phone somewhere and go for a quiet stroll, I pass an uncountable number of cameras. It's packed with them here. There's no peace from the networks except out gently bobbing on the water ⛵🌊 nostr:nevent1qqsxjrqnsdhgnechly4n0uurcgnezynw7j09vnrqq64yepzc7uhc2msprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68yct5dyhxxmmdqgsgfhhxuemwtwm8kjk5uppv7uxtmp5pz4wm2dv59lxx5pfnsk98ysqrqsqqqqqpg7al83
Is that tracking called pinging? In a way that devices communicate between each other so even if I have my phone completely anonymous it will communicate with other devices in the the room and therefore track my location, something like that?
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What about phone in flight mode? Can we trust that in your opinion?
I like the punkt phone first gen. Wish it was still compatible and available to get so I can use a simple tech phone again. I miss simple tech in sometime cases. Wish there were more options like that.
You’re doing better than most of us at least
And a VPN could be a honeypot . . . channeling all your activity into Eye of Sauron
Yessss. Do NOT bring your phone with you to crime scenes.
What do you think about silent.link ? It seems that it provides much better privacy if you only use data roaming.
unless your phone is in airplane mode, it is constantly pinging your location, regardless of whether it has a sim / esim
My understanding is that data roaming uses different towers or something and that determining location is more difficult that way. Maybe I’m wrong.
The value of silent.link is the number is not KYC, no account data to go along with the number. But the number is connecting to the towers, and that's triangulated precisely. Frequent location spots like your home will help deanonymize it. There is INVISV PGPP that mitigates these things but it's not open source
I thought the phone number was optional?
They are, you can select with number or not or just data
There is always a phone number whether it is enabled for voice and text or just data. In addition though, there are other unique numbers associated with your sim and IMEI is the one your phone sends to every tower to handshake with to receive service.
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Yeah I don't see a number. Anyways I was referring to the IMEI which is a unique identifier.
Yeah nothing we can do about that unfortunately
There is a mitigation provided by PGPP, it uses a zero'd out IMEI, and some other cool things to thwart triangulation, reducing the precision to an area instead of a pinpoint. I think an important factor is number of users for the "hide in a crowd" effect, and I don't know anything about how many users they have. Also I want it to be open source but given their background I doubt it ever will be, it would have to be re-implemented based on their white paper. https://invisv.com/pgpp/
afaik graphene doesn't hide imei's yet or maybe never wil
just use airplane mode
edward snowden himself demonstrated a phone case about 13 years ago that showed that even in airplane mode and even when turned off most phones emit radio signals welcome to 13 years ago, it's way way way worse now
this is true of google android and iOs, however I understand it is NOT the case for graphene OS
but you have verified gaussmeter evidence that it is true?
I don't think you'd use a gaussmeter but rather a mobile base station so you can measure the incoming pings This was the approach used by SRLabs when testing their Blue Merle software for IMEI switching https://github.com/srlabs/blue-merle?tab=readme-ov-file#imei-randomization
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The only way is to remove the battery, which was easy on cell phones 20 years ago. Now the quickest and easiest way would be to destroy the phone
Joe GL we have someone in our community that works or worked on cell towers
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My phone is a made of a Chinese sweat so is OK no worry
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Do you have a suggestion for this issue? Many cities I travel to for work and where I live, they offer cellular over "city-wide wifi". Would this be a potential solution? I also heard T-Mobile will be using Starlink -- but if I understand it correctly, their towers will be linking to Starlink so the phone-tower connection will still be based off current infrastructure -- and thus will not be any more anonymizing.
You'd need your phone not to be linked to your id. Ideally without an IMEI number (if that's possible). You would have to make sure your email, social media BANKING on your phone were totally anonymous. Even if you're using an esim which is not connected to your id, your phone will still track your movements. Most threat levels won't warrant such paranoia but don't be fooled. I love and use Graphene btw
Get yourself an esim router and change anonymous esim regularly. Only ever connect your phone via wifi. Use built in VPN/Tor in the router. @silentlink
this is useless unless you can also switch the IMEI
If you take your phone between even just your home and work —doxxed locations— it is trivial to associate it with your true-name identity even if all of the hardware and services are perfectly anonymous. Even journalists have managed these kind of investigations. "Anonymized" location data is unfortunely not anonymous — it *can never* be anonymous. And yet it is sold like any other product. Your phone's movements through physical space are unique. Even if you live in a building of 400 people, the movements of 399 of them are not going to match the tower records of your phone's movements. Even if you work in the same office. People's geographic movements are unique—and identifying.
I'm not trying to make you guys wrap yourself in tinfoil— almost nobody needs to be as paranoid as I am, and even I am tremendously lazy about opsec these days. The key is *awareness*: to simply be cognizant of what kind of records you're generating as you go about your life, so you can make informed, reasoned judgments about how much of it you can leave hanging out, and what parts of it you'd rather pay an effort-tax to shield from appearing in somebody's (or everybody's) database.
I walked the floor at ISC West (international security conference) last year for shits and gigs. It was fucking terrifying… The level of sophistication in surveillance software/hardware is so far beyond what people think it’s insane… and as more and more datasets get integrated together, it only gets worse… And this was just the stuff they publicly showcase to any Jabroni like me who walks the floor…
Don't worry, it's going to get worse.
Thanks for visiting Nostr today :D Snowden: We are all screwed. Anyways, back to parenting.
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Both are now illegal. All done. Shows over.
Oh cool another fake government npub.
We are official. Do not listen to any other account.
dont forget bittorrent
True.
Yeah with that attitude
Up until the money dies. Once that happens, who’s going to continue to fund sophisticated surveillance? Governments need citizens and currently there is no need to compete for them. Citizens should have zero fear about their digital footprint. It will change. These things take time. But I agree, currently in clown world under the fiat standard the sky is the limit.
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Had a recent incident where I was surprised to learn how someone found my contact information. I always thought I kept my personal details offline/non public, but apparently that's not as foolproof as thought!
I tried saying, and repeating 20 years ago to anybody who would listen. The government should be banned from leveraging computers in ANY way to tally, track or process any data about US citizens. Including the IRS, DMV, as the lowest level. There will never be an exit from this.
Would the government ban itself from this? You can't solve the problems caused by the state through the state.
Theoretically, there is a Congress, which represents the best interests of the citizens who elect them. Of course, most here know that's a fairytale. Nullified in the early 1900s
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I don't like any taxes, but If we are going to have taxes, I'd like to replace 100% of taxes with a sales tax and that tax must be broken out showing how much is paid to each level of government. If everyone time someone bought something, they saw how much is being stolen from them they'd be a lot more likely to complain and realize they aren't getting anything for free. Right now, because income taxes are taken out before they receive a penny, lots of people don't think they pay any taxes so they truly believe they get lots of free stuff.
I'm not sure people understand how invasive it'll get. I've been working on a graduate engineering degree. All the new research projects have AI integrated into them.
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What do we do about this? How do we turn the tides?
It is always darkest before the dawn
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Love it. Can point it towards all the normies at work.
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I've come to appreciate your sacrifices and am glad you're jurisdictionally an arms length to be a bit lazy
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Yea I can buy Reynolds tinfoil or Deadpool guy's tinfoil but what will keep safe? Wrap my phone in tinfoil? I'm so tracked they will follow me to and from my home and work to the store for the machine or they'll harass and stalk the driver who delivered the package l, etc
I hear ya it's just non stop with them. It's enough level. And every time I attend these meetings I'm always surrounded by cops. And this time it's worse.
Using grapheneOS WiFi only and somehow disable the radio modem would be best. I really only need to use my phone as a "computer" at home over VPN and tor for amethyst and Bitcoin Lightning. Hate the experience on desktop for both due to various reasons. Pixel 8 pro has an amazing camera for sunsets, landscapes, and nature etc. Don't need any connection for that photography either till ireturn home. I am very happy with my pixel and graphene Thanks for the advice and for everything you do for the world.
How do you use the camera on Graphene, i the Graphene camera app sucks, no?
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looks good, thank you. so you use the Graphene camera app or the original from Google in a container like shelter?
I use both for different controls. Night time and sunset I use the google pixel camera app. Google Services are sandboxed by default in GrapheneOS.
did not know that, thank you. so i dont need an extra container app?
no. Graphene does all the hard work and setup for you. https://grapheneos.org/faq
fantastic thank you
Completely agree. Thanks for your work and service for the free world! It will be appreciated later or sooner.
Wow so far the FBI is still pissed about my status in America and still accusing me of requiring an immigration visa to live in America. Even tho I'm an American born citizens.
I’m choosing to be on NOSTR as my real identity. It is an informed choice. Privacy is a human right as much as air and water, if I choose to be private for some of my life, that is my freedom. Others choose their own privacy. That is their freedom. Attempting to stop that freedom should be a crime in all civilised nations.
And you can get someone else to do it for you, and the "price" for that should be something more expensive than money. Sometimes it's harder to hide people behind "7 proxies" than it is to hide network traffic behind "7 proxies". But it's not impossible. > https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/good-luck-im-behind-7-proxies
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Don't put a sim inside the phone.. for one. Secondly, don't run a googled device. Make sure it's something like GrapheneOS and always in airplane mode so your cellular radio is off at all times. You can use airplane mode and still use wifi or Bluetooth. But make sure you're only connecting then with a VPN.
Nice recommendations, 95% agree. Rethinking this over and over again: Most of us do not have a threat profile to doubt the integrity of the VPN provider. Your thoughts? nostr:nevent1qqswqr802ewt725254l8ewnlyhwdc3387wy0hw8vj5uucl2ujqf5ptqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsfa0w04jguuxnes3e94x39gw7p62sewsusnke6kqe8gr2n6kwc0zcrqsqqqqqp3p70xn
Is it true that your phone pings various Bluetooth trackers even in retail locations - thus revealing your movement to data brokers?
if bluetooth is on at all
I'm considering getting a sim-less media device (like an android media player) as my daily phone. Only thing I'd miss are SMS for logins Would that help?
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Get a burner. Problem solved.
Shheeesh. I’m going back to the way it was; https://m.primal.net/IQuK.jpg
this one is doxing your location as well 😂
The best using a phone without sim using hotspot router and custom rom with fdroid app store. Like rob explained in this video. https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/netgear:0
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What can you do though? No phone!
Add to the towers triangulating data, there's a gyroscope(position of the phone), accelerometer, barometer(sensor of pressure = your altitude), wifi AP's signals triangulation which greatly enchances your location data. You can literally be seen walking up/down the stairs. Every single step. More. Scrolling through your FB feed tour camera tracking your eyes movement can basicaly think what exactly you're looking at/reading/skipping. Analyzing your patterns and comparing them to some control/average interactions with the help of AI you can basically be read throughout. Stay safe.
What are your thought about Graphene OS?
none of this should be a problem except ..... like everything else somebody has to weaponise it. we can only hope that sanity will return one day thank you for all you have done and continue to do. GM 🙃
#086 cop has been following me all around the city for days and no one will give me a ride unless I'm doing laundry after I've been stalked by the cops. There's definitely racial segregation with the black community. Both by the cops enforcing it probably and their own hardened hearts. The nicer I am to the black community the more they push me away.
During covid the Canadian government bought all the "anonymised" data from from Google to see how often people went out. Yeah it's plain to see if someone was going back to the same house everyday that they live there. Google should not be allowed to sell/give any of this away.
#UnplugSkynet
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True, anyone in telcos knows this for many years. You might wonder why not all petty crimes are successfully investigated
Lose the baseband and bluetooth chips, 2.4Ghz WiFi / cable only should be the norm for privacy “phones”
so you don't install any google apps?
No, not unless I can help it .
I didn't buy a pixel because I wanted a pixel, I bought a pixel because I wanted GrapheneOS
I run graphene and I could care less about the pixel's stock features. I own a pixel solely because it supports GrapheneOS. If the only GrapheneOS-supported device were a BlackBerry, then i'd be rockin a BlackBerry.
I have a Nokia dumbphone with a different SIM that I occasionally use. It doesn't do 98% of what the GrapheneOS pixel does (as you realize). I switched from an iPhone because I like to have more granular control over app permissions. The level of control GrapheneOS offers is superior to anything else I could find (and exponentially better than iOS wrt privacy)
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I run graphene and I could care less about the pixel's stock features. I own a pixel solely because it supports GrapheneOS. If the only GrapheneOS-supported device were a BlackBerry, then i'd be rockin a BlackBerry.
Maybe it works in my favor that I've never had an android before (iPhone since 2008) and I don't know what I'm missing. The experience has been very positive, having no other point of reference. 🤷♂️
