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 The scary thing is that there are people out there that believe Lightning is a good user experience 
 Maybe for user which uses it in a custodial way. For a company it's horrible.


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 %90+ of LN users use a custodial wallet. It's pretty okay experience after a custodial service abstracts all the hard parts away. Low fees, fast TX times. What can you want more? 
 Self-custody 
 If you're okay with paying the costs of self custody then Phoenix and others launched soon should be able to do Lightning pretty seamlessly. 
 People like this don't want to hear your solutions to their problem, they just want to shout angrily into the sky. 
 I know about phoenix and LSP based wallets, it's not exactly a secret. I've tried them all, they are very good, wished more people used those.

The fact they are good for someome passionate as me, does not make their UX good, specially compared to custodial wallets or even self-custodial shitcoin wallets.
 
 I don't believe one second you actually care about normie UX, you just hate Lightning. That's fine, Lightning has no feelings towards you. 
 Why do you even care for what I believe? At what point did this become personal?
If you think the self custody UX is great, then fine, we don't have to agree nor attack eachothers' character, motives or techincal abilities. 
 As someone who actually tests different wallets regularly and gives user feedback, I can confidently say that there are no silver bullets yet, and self-custodial Lightning is a chore to set up for most people. The masses aren’t coming to learn about liquidity and channel balancing and HTLCs. You have to want to use it because you care about the MOE case for bitcoin. In Western countries, it’s not really needed yet, but in some parts of the world, it’s a matter of survival. 
 As long as you need something running 24-7 + need to manage liquidity + worry about routes/failed payments, it's unlikely to be mass adopted in a self-custodial way.
Everyone does it out of love and as a hobby. 
 False. There are thousands of people and businesses using it non-custodially for real economic activity because Lightning is the fastest and cheapest way to settle payments online. Always has been, likely will be for a long time. 
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 Good straw manning Sir. All your pep talk, dismissive troll-calling and attacking good willed people from outside the IT world who are giving real feedback from lived experience won't change what us, the non-devs are struggling with. You are among a small group of people who understand all this naturally and think that Zeus wallet UI is for normal people. You lost sight of the streets. Your arrogant attitude is what drives custodial adoption. Check your privilege mate or you soon can enjoy your little Lightning bubble by yourself. In case you want that, be the big fish in a tiny pond, you're doing great. 
 Hosted node solutions like Alby Hub are very good alternatives if you don’t want to maintain hardware. It’s not free, but it’s very fast and it just works. 
 self hosting LN may never reach mass adoption. not because it sucks, it is growing elegantly actually. 
because people are lazy and the habit of offloading the burden of self custody to others has been carved into humans gene 
 Correct. 
 But, you just described a public routing node which is not, I repeat, NOT for regular users.  First off, and this is really important, it's PUBLIC. When has anything designed for public use, ever been suitable for private use? 

A public routing node provides routing services for the lightning network for fun and profit. It has to ADVERTISE itself to the world to attract other nodes to connect to, and use it's services.  

A public routing node requires a good working knowledge of Linux CLI and the knowledge and ability to secure an Internet facing server.  It's advertising itself to the world. It's going to be attacked. Add to that a static IP, decent bandwidth, and a fairly grunty machine if it gets busy.  

And, liquidity. If you haven't got a decent chunk of Bitcoin to provide a significant number of channels with enough liquidity to be useful to the network, you're waisting your time, money, electricity, hardware and effort. 

This is not the setup a regular person needs for a lightning wallet. 

End uses use a private, non-routing non-custodial wallet that doesn't need to be online 24/7, doesn't need channels balanced, because it doesn't route other people's payments. It uses  unannounced private channels so neither the wallet, the node, or the channels will show on any lightning network maps, or be traceable in any way. There's litterly no way to ever know if a private wallet exists. 

A private non-routing non-custodial lightning wallet, is private. No channels it uses can be seen by anyone. No payments made, or received can be traced by anyone.  

This setup can run on a cheap mobile phone.  And there's plenty of options for private, non-routing, non-custodial lightning wallets for mobile phones.

Phoenix wallet has to be the easiest non-custodial, non-routing wallet to use.  I have used Phoenix, now I use Zeus on mobile.   
 1. I'm describing end user nodes. Every node has to manage liquidity and routes some way or another otherwise you can't send or receive. It's not a routing node exclusive concern.

2. Unnanounced channels are NOT private. They are easily found by probing and looking on-chain. Don't operate under that assumption nor perpetuate that misnomer myth.

If you want a real world example of a end user self custodial pain:
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 > 1. I'm describing end user nodes. Every node has to manage liquidity and routes

No it doesn't. Fuck off with your bullshit. At least go an RTFM before making such stupid statements.

Or, you're not ignorant and you're intentionally lying to push a shitcoin.

Let me guess, if I do a quick look into your history, is there a lot of shitcoin promoting there?  

Soooo...what's the bet?  Is he an ignorant fool or shitcoin scammer? 

 
 You should reflect on the way you choose to act and argue online. It's really unhealthy. 
 Ah, ok. I've won that argument now that you've started with the personal insults.

Why don't you take your own advice and stick to the topic rather than degrading yourself like that. 

You have a lightening node that you've opened public announced channels, but you think you have a private node.  The evidence is you complaining about having to balance channels which you don't have to do with private channels. 

So, you don't have any idea about how to setup LND as a private lightning wallet, instead, you setup a poorly optimised, low liquidity, badly connected public routing node because you didn't do any research. And now you just complain about nothing working properly.

Your own ignorance is your problem.





 
 I don't have public channels. I never said there was a need to rebalancing it. Why are you pulling things out of your ass? 
 Nobody's stopping you from running your own node. 
 Is this a new level of gaslighting?
A: Lightining UX is shit
B: wdym, custodial wallets have great UX, what more could you want.
A: self-custody
B: nOoNE iS sToPpInG yOu (except terrible UX which was the whole original discussion point) 
 You need people like me — #iykyk 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IsXx1nLqG7o 
 Here I hope I'll be able to put it together in a way it's understandable this time.
Statement is "LN UX is shit"
That's a generalized statement that don't hold true when you consider the % of custodial vs non custodial use.
You come adding a new parameter and you say you want self custodial use. You change the equation. It's no longer "LN UX is shit" it's "LN self custodial UX is shit" (hard)
By adding a new parameter, you changed the initial statement, then you'll get a different answer.
You claim to know "Physics/C++/", yet you fail to understand, or you intentionally make a disingenuous argument when you add additional parameters to something, the outcome will likely change.
Are you admitting you don't know how simple equations work?
I hope that helps.

You might be like "crypto doesn't mean shit w/o self custody" that's your opinion (also mine) many just simply don't care. They just want and easy and cheap way to play w/ their shiny sats. Masses are not self custody cypherpunk crypto fundamentalists, and likely they'll never be.
 
 Do you run a node or do you just make up shit as you go? Because if you run a node, my god, you must be terrible at doing it. 
 I run a node and yes, I am shit at doing it. 
 Most of us are, but we still do it anyway. 😅 
 People that are shit at running nodes (and terrible node default settings) are the reason the average person feels burned by lightning. nostr:nprofile1qqs0nt9skq6vfsgh06v979rrnuchau87mmnk2lqxpv2xaeusqfp30mqpzamhxue69uhky6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skctcpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctc9ad278is right, running a routing node is not for the average person. 
 What's up today, how are you doing? 
 Horrible for companies, and not really worthy right now as Lightning payments are nearly nin existent. 
 It's not that surprising. If you ask the normies, they also love vemno and revolut. Custodial lightning is only slightly worse.
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 There are people out there thinking The Lightning Network isn't custodial

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#Bitcoin 
 1-self-custodial LN UX is shit. It's becoming a lot better but still shit.
2-custodial LN UX is great and it's ok to use custodial LN for the majority of people, the important thing is to have optionality and self custody tools to be available to those who have no option but to self-custody.