Oddbean new post about login | logout I don’t think USG invented Bitcoin, but I think there’s a non trivial chance they currently hold the Satoshi coins.
Interesting. Wouldn't that suggest that they either ... know who he was and were able to coerce his keys out of him OR they we're able to compromise his keys, which would undermine the entire point of Bitcoin's security? Genuinely curious.
The former. They definitely know who Satoshi is. I’m speculating on the rest.
Is there any particular reason you believe they “definitely know”? Or do you just “definitely know” 😂
Obama tasked the nsa with finding out during his administration. I’m assuming they found out.
this is the clown show transexual abomination brigade yes, they surely are competent just cos they tricked shitloads of people into wearing masks and submitting to get injected doesn't mean they can do investigations
I think you’re severely underestimating the NSA’s capabilities.
maybe so but if they found him they would make a show of it, so there's that
In my opinion they did find him, but they’ve chosen not to make a show of it. Which tells you something.
no, it tells me that you are prone to imagining evil people have the power they pretend to have if they have him, but no keys, but the evidence is there, they would show it off if they have him, but they have the keys, the coins would have moved if he is dead, and they never found him, neither would happen out of those three options, option 3 is what has actually been made public nothing believing the lies of evil people about their power is the first mistake anyone makes about evil people
It’s not lies bud. We have @Snowden's disclosures informing us of exactly their capabilities.
it's not that sophisticated opsec to wipe your keys and hard drive when that moron accepted a date with the CIA he disappeared zero chance his drives retained any of the code or data zero chance he retained the keys the very fact that the CIA got interested confirmed that it had "caught on" and it was on fire and that was all he was gonna get away with so he probably took a bus to mexico and that was that plenty of places to get work when you are a C++ server programmer i know what it means to burn keys that are worth something did it twice in my life already so far
That’s a fine story, but the nsa would still know who he was regardless. He lived a whole life before bitcoin. He left breadcrumbs behind. His identity is very knowable with the level of data they have on both him and everyone he ever interacted with. Wiping the hard drives is cute when every text or email you’ve ever sent is backed up in an nsa server somewhere.
belief in the deliberately cultivated aura of omnipotence of government agencies full of people who are selected for their obedience not their talent is stupid i remember not many years later somewhere reading that they were having trouble getting the best people because they drug test applicants your faith in government is showing, you might want to either admit it or perhaps remove it if russian and chinese spies can evade detection by the NSA then so can a smart guy who has been working on privacy technology for a decade satoshi BEING an NSA guy is very possible too, so, yeah, we all know how it goes when they investigate themselves, you have studied social engineering i would hope
Alot of wild assumptions. Have you seen anything that corroborates that? Most likely, he used a pseudo-name and was cautious about online footprint, which we can assume since he was into cryptography.. Not to mention we are also concluding that that satoshi lived in the western world. We will find out one way or another I suppose. I choose to believe he's watching things unfold from a distance. If his BTC ever moves, we can continue to speculate.
Well the satoshi coins are like the ultimate honey pot though. Normal utxo holders don’t need to worry about a targeted attempt to brute force their keys anywhere near what is surely going on with that one. So if they do ever move, my money would be on that being the reason Personally i’ve always sort of assumed Satoshi is “no longer with us” (based solely off a quote that is always hard to find where he said ~“i don’t have much time left”)
https://mmalmi.github.io/satoshi/ seems to have the bulk of his emails, I don't see anything about that.
NM I found it: https://m.primal.net/JmrC.png
You can’t hide from the nsa my man.
Now I wonder... Would the US intelligence apparatus having 1M btc in their coffers be a net benefit to the adoption cycle? If they knew they had the largest stockpile of it ... Would it make them more likely to let things play out? Thinking out loud...
Hal
I haven't dug particularly deep into the timelines. But one has to admit that the seemingly permanent disappearance of Satoshi, and the decline of Hal's health and consequent passing are quite a coincidence. That's without all the other coincidences, ethics and alignments.
Same. I haven't deeply researched the timeline but it feels right.
Do you have any other clues about this beside assuming the NSA knows everything ?
That would explain the disappearance but I highly doubt the government would be able to foresee the invention’s significance. I suppose he/she could have donated them for love of country, but no one, not even Joe Biden, loves the USG. Especially its money printer. So how would they have obtained them and when?
