Appreciate the love my friend! ❤️ However I would hard disagree with Saladino and Aurelius being guiding lights here, IMO they've devolved into supplement & organ pumpers and are heavily misleading their audiences AWAY from the proper human diet, and have come full circle from being skeptical of fiat science and now use "tHe sTuDiEs" to support their love of sugar.
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It is different for everyone though fwiw
I feel light years better on the Saladino version than meat only
I was meat only for 12 months and by the end — after I was significantly leaner — I felt horrible. Constant cramps heart skips and my blood work turned to trash (tris consistently in the 200s)
I did everything I could. Insane amounts of salt. LMNT (electrolytes) multiple times a day and nothing was fixing it.
Once I started incorporating fruit honey and raw milk I’ve felt SOOO much better and have been that way now for almost 18 months.
Personally the meat only was not sustainable for me I started to feel bad once I got lean enough. My athletic performance is also way better now
I think the meat only is a good tool to get lean and fix metabolic disease, but to thrive I’d disagree with you from experience that a lot of people wouldn’t benefit from fruit and honey.
What's your ultimate carb intake? How do you measure? I wish I could figure out a scientific way to approach this... I feel like regular carbs bring up inflammation pretty quickly in my body. Will have to watch this video and may e reset with a super strict only meat carnivore and then dabble with quantity of fruit. Been carnivore for 2.5ish years now.
Wont be the best answer but I just listen to my body.
I try to do that in multiple ways though.
For example, two fruits I cannot eat are strawberries and apples. Immediately when I eat them, they bloat me. I note this and just stay away from what I know isn't working for me.
I'm also a 6'1 guy who is ~195 pounds and works out quite a bit. I eat about ~2 pounds of meat a day. If I am still hungry at the end of the day or I'm losing or gaining weight, that's another signal for me.
My days usually work out something like this:
fasted workout in the AM
post workout:
2 bananas with a good amount of honey and a medium glass of raw milk
lunch: 6 eggs with a half pound of beef (mix in liver here occasionally)
I have a dessert with my lunch which is a bowl of frozen mangoes with a small glass of raw kefir (don't know why but this combo is delicious)
Dinner:
1-1.5 pounds of steak
if I'm still very hungry after this I add another small glass of kefir or a medium glass of raw milk
then to finish I have a cup of hot bone broth (usually chicken but sometimes its beef)
I stay away from fruit at night and usually keep it to the first half of the day. If I'm hungry or gaining weight, I usually only touch the carbs portion. The beef stays consistent. If I'm super gassy from the milk, I know that day I drank too much. Happens rarely, though.
That sounds like a delicious meal set up.
Bloating is a big issue for me as well and breaking out. I recently double confirmed that apples do break me out... and pretty sure strawberries do too + other seed rich berries or fruit.
Curious why avoid fruit in the evening?
I think I'd heard from Dave Aspree prior to going carnivore when speaking of detrimental effects he'd experienced with going full keto and instead was encouraging cyclical ketosis to have fruit at night as dessert. I think due to potential energy decline during the day and taking one out of ketosis (not sure).
Thank you, for sharing your exprience.
Nothing real scientific i just have found I sleep better when I keep it higher fat at night and stack my carbs earlier in the day and closer to my workouts
gonna try the fasted work out first thing in the morning... lately been trying to eat in the first half an hour of my day, my body has been feeling loved up when I do that!
Oh yeah, what's your fat intake like?
Just from the beef and the milk — I used to eat super fatter cuts but now I’ll maybe have a ribeye once a week and stick to leaner cuts like bistro and top sirloin
I’m not keeping track of anything specific or counting macros
@Ben Wehrman 🎙⚡️🥩 thank you for sharing this! Great having so many honest and insightful thoughts and advice! My only concern is, if it is affecting women differently to men? Can we have the same diet? I will look into all this and maybe just write it all down what I experience 🙏
There is no species in nature where diet optimality changes based on male/female. We are a carnivorous animal and thus carnivore is ideal for men and women! The videos above with Dr. Rimka and Dr. Wiedeman will be especially amazing for you, they give great signal from the women's perspective
My experience with adding fruit, honey etc is the complete opposite to yours @cwilbzz. Fortunately Professor Bart Kay helped me back on track with his explanation of The Randle Cycle.
This is why we can’t be dogmatic and why I think it’s important to be weary when we say “optimal”
This is what fixed me. I wasn’t his client but I was this exact case
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Yes I had similar issues but following Dr Cywes' advice messed me up even more. Professor Tim Noakes, his mentor and also a South African who taught him about low carb, disagrees with him.
But I'm not here to try convince you. Rather to show people that this issue is not black and white one way or the other, but more nuanced. I think it would be much simpler if we're weren't all messed up by our modern toxic environments. It seems to make us all sensitive to different things which cause various physical and mental issues.
Absolutely I know what works for me is to focus more holistically on what nature is telling us we should eat vs industrial sludge
The majority of that being beef
And for that we are on the same team 🤝
Glad you got something that worked for you