We welcome UX help making better sense of relays for users. I agree it’s stupid right now.  

 Yeah I was hoping that maybe @mplorentz, @Josh Brown, or @Linda  could make it.  

 I’m not running a relay in Oceana. But I know some other folks do run them locally. 

 I think the only answer is to advocate for changing the rules so AppStores don’t have so much power over speech, and until those changes happen we need to conform to their arbitrary and inconsistent rules.  

 @7fqx I cared before but I think our best way of winning free speech rights is if it isn’t a left right thing. 

Years ago @jack asked me if he should ban Trump from Twitter and I said no, he shouldn’t.  

 Because it’s hard. Seems simple but it’s not. We just now finally got it in Nos. 

 Yes we need this and we need to be advocating these platforms support nostr and support them in implementing Nostr. Being able to use your existing publishing tools is something that keeps coming up in our user interviews. 

Creators and people who are social media professionals like journalists don’t use these tools the way the rest of us do. 

I know the fedica.com team is working on Nostr support but that’s the only one I know of.  

 I did for a while but was having some connectivity issues and went on to try other things. I’m curious about their dropping tor.  

 Sorry to hear about the financial struggles. I’d love to know more about the attacks you faced running the relays and also why you decided to drop tor support.  

 The way they’re banning Twitter they could ban anything else too. The massive individual fines for using Twitter, blocking the apps from the app stores and the domain. It is effective. To use twitter in Brazil now you’d need to make a new account that doesn’t reveal your identity. So while some will do that, it stops the public discourse on twitter in Brazil. 

They could ban Nostr and Bluesky the same way.  

 Apparently it’s an avant guarde cultural center and museum. 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/yf9ASBN5mj8JE6nP6?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy 

 It’s 1am. I’m pretty sure it’s closed.  

 And aren’t there stiff fines for any Brazilian who uses a vpn or other methods to get around the ban? 

 I know @miljan is working on Primal but I do find it interesting that the last commit to the code was 4 months ago even though there are bugs and PR’s being submitted. I’m also curious.  

 Nos will keep your place and throw up a ‘tap to load new notes’ notification. The only time it won’t is if you’re out of the app for a while and apple kills it in the background.  

 Troop.is is new to me. Is it open source? Right now I’ve got flockstr deployed at calendar.protest.net. 

I’m wondering how to do community focused filtering on Nostr events and calendars.  Just use a custom relay or add filtering by followers/hashtags/groups?  

 Oh that’s cool. Just after I setup calendar.protest.net running flocksr :) new code to play with.  

 Do we need to wrap it in swift so we can store the keys in keychain and support push notifications? 

 We can work together on it as Nos already has bent the knee to king Cook. 🥹 

 Muy buen proyecto. Ditto falta localización a castellano pero mi gusta la idea. Sería bueno también etiquetar los notes con código de idioma para facilitar gente a encuentran la lenguas que elles pueden hablar.  

 @chadlupkes the thing is I think we need more controls. Ideally Nostr clients wouldn’t display content as replies from people they muttered and reported. I know this is a controversial position, but the way I see it being a reply guy in my threads is like coming in to my personal space when I don’t want it. Just like we can kick out a rude houseguest, they aren’t banished from the town, just my small part of it. 

I want nostr to be a space for queer Palestinian drag queens like @Mama Ganuush  who are being shadow banned and deplatformed by Meta and Instagram. I want nostr to be a space for activists who face state surveillance and repression. 

And I’m fine with there being people on nostr who hate me, so long as I don’t have listen to them or have them inject themselves in to my content and conversations.  

 To be honest this happens in real life too. Twice in the last few months I’ve had people come on to the deck at my house to steal my pride flag and flag pole. 

I don’t really care if you’ve got bigoted ideas but I’m not so keen on threats of violence, theft, and damaging my home. The thing is the things said online don’t stay there and often what starts as a joke becomes real violence.  

 Well the sad part is the most homophobic people are driven by self hatred of their own queerness.  

 The entire point is that we’re building on a protocol where we don’t need to ask permission and can’t get banned.  

 As far as I know they blocked Nostr apps from the App Store. But I’m going to Beijing on Monday, so I’ll try and see if it works. As of November after Nostrasia the nostr apps worked inside of china. 

The real point of censorship and control is at the App Store level. The firewall is secondary, because it’s also permeable, you can simply use a VPN.  

 Yeah, l mean here’s my current guide for users to get setup.

https://protest.net/how-to-join.html

It’s very long and I think also not long enough, because to be useful it’ll need pictures / help walking people through it. 

Even with a bunker, that url is too long, we need to make is to you a put in your nip-05 and then it looks up your bunker url from that… SUPER SIMPLE.  

 This is really helpful. I’m not sure if it’s my crappy internet connection or a problem with the article, but it isn’t loading any of the images in that piece. Which would be kind of helpful. ;-D 

 If I’m going to do that I’d suggest nos.social for the app but either the user still has to install a browser extension and configure it. That’s a lot of steps for nontechnical users.  

 I think it’s one of those big brand, smaller engagement thing.  

 En castellano es “nostr es nos” y em portugués “nostr somos nós”. The wordplay makes sense in Spanish and Portuguese where nos means us and so a rough translation of nostr would be “us-str” or “us-tr”  

 I like the somos nostr one.  

 Buenos Aries, Bariloche, Montevideo…. The problem with Brazil is that is huge but the national press would cover Jack showing up. I think Florianopolis, Rio, Porto Alegre, or São Paulo would work for various reasons.  

 The client you’re using mangled the repost. :) 

 Can we get Nostr and Tor working better together? 

 The way I see it there are two things. One is easy. Get relay software to by default or easily add and advertise onion services. The second one is to add tor support to clients so they use those onion service relays.  

 Before, during, and after.  

 @Snowden :) 

 I spent the morning looking at the state of tor embedded for mobile apps and asking folks who work on the Tor and Guardian projects which libraries are working well. So the quip was because I’ve been trying to figure it out. 

 That sort of works. One it requires users do a bunch of setup both initially but also every time they want to switch in to tor mode. The bigger issue is nostr over tor is much better if you’re connecting to onion service relays and don’t leave the Tor network. 

We need it to be very easy like tap a button in the client to turn on and off tor mode and when you are in tor mode it finds and uses the onion network version so the traffic stays private.  

 So it’s accessing nostr via a cashu nutshell mixnet? It’s interesting but why not use Tor? 

 Yeah I love how folks keep saying Nostr won’t work…. It’s like. Cool. But it does work. 

Nobody will run relays.  Yeah but a thousand people are happy to run relays. 

It won’t be possible to make apps if we don’t constrain and validate schemas. Uh sure clearly our apps don’t work.  

 Unless you want to keep it as a mirror to draw people over on nostr using connect.nos.social.  

 We say the US / UK were the good guys in world war 2. 

We say the union were the good guys in the US civil war. 

Those two are just off the top of my head. The thing is these good guys are often remembered as such because they won and got to control the narrative of history.  

 I wish people would understand and use their nip05 which is much easier to understand than the npub :) 

 The marketing and for Twitter it works. But normally it’s so much better to be able to speak and understand the name and have people find you.  

 Terrible name no? It’s a nostr name. Mine is rabble@nos.social which I got from using the nos.social app. Primal also lets folks get user@primal.net names. 

But you don’t need to get your name from the folks who give you your app. 

Here’s some more information on how it works with a directory of providers to choose from. 

https://nostr.how/en/guides/get-verified 

 I am in favor of the historical deplatforming people who are actively promoting the holocaust while it is happening during WWII. You might want to give Hitler and his supporters a platform while they were running death camps. But I’m not. Mass murder is wrong and if jailing them for that mass murder is justified the so is taking away their megaphone.  

 @El Flaco bo que piensas estamos haciendo acá? Fumando porro con un sueño que todo va a estar mejor si tenemos código para inventar un nuevo mundo de hadas y unicornios? 

Claro quiero tener una protocolo donde no puede existir control central que puede censurar gente. Pero esto no significa que no puedo tener un espacio en mi relay o mis grupos donde si puedo decidir que comportamiento es aceptable o inaceptable? 

Free speech es el derecho a hablar. Pero también tenemos el derecho de decidir a quien vamos a escuchar. No quiero una red donde puedo decidir a quien puedo conectar. Pero tampoco quiero una que mi obliga a hablar con vos o ver tus comentarios. 

 

 Yeah but in the context of my talk I was explaining how a very famous example of past deplatforming was Father Coughlin who was advocating the US join the Nazi’s side in WWII. He was justifying the holocaust. Then he was deplatformed and his weekly radio program listened to by 25% of Americas was take off radio stations because of a pressure campaign and advertising boycott. I was saying this is a case of deplatforming in the past that wasn’t a bad thing.  Just like taking out the radio stations in Rwanda that pushed for genocide was good because it saved lives. My point is there are times in the past when people were deplatformed and it was the right decision. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin 

 npub.pro does the web hosting, yea! But as far as I know nobody’s connected npub.pro with nip-05 hosting.  

 Hey @Matt Warren yeah that came out more frustration with you than i intended. Sorry. 

To be fair putting nsec in apps which don’t store them securely is a terrible idea. It’s just we need to remember that an nsec isn’t as precious as a wallet key with money. 

And that we were able to show the power of nostr and get folks excited when we showed them how to put their nsec in multiple apps they can use at the same time.  

 No I lived in Uruguay, Argentina, Ecuador, and spent a bunch of time in Brazil and Bolivia. I’ve only spent a few days in Costa Rica. But mostly Uruguay.  

 You might find our project to rebuild @protest.net  on nostr interesting. We need help creating it and getting content and people and fixing it so it’s easy to use. 
 

 Interestingly Amsterdam doesn’t feel very substantially different today than it did 20 years ago. You’ve changed more than the city. Are you going to hang out with Neb? Have him give you a boat tour of the city.