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 Can we get Nostr and Tor working better together? 
 Can we drink some coffee first? 
 What would that look like? As I understand it, you could run a relay behind a hidden service right now. Do you mean that?  
 The way I see it there are two things. One is easy. Get relay software to by default or easily add and advertise onion services. The second one is to add tor support to clients so they use those onion service relays.  
 I think the big hurdle is client support because AFAIK, there is nothing stopping a relay from running on clearnet and Tor using torrc as we speak. 
 Often I notice that the Tor service on Orbot turns off by itself, such that just adding apps on Orbot is not reliable at all. Enforcing Tor as an option at the app level seems better 
 GM Nostriches ☕

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 sincere question: who uses Tor? 
 @Snowden :) 
 Almost everyone who runs bitcoin and lightning nodes.  
 I am a regular guy who runs a Bitcoin node. Why should I use TOR? The use case for  @Snowden is clear, but what about the public? Again, no irony. 
 Eventually they will make running nodes illegal for individuals and then you don't want your IP to be known to host a bitcoin node.

Apart from that, Tor is a convenient way for people to access their node when they are away from home, without having to open ports or the need for a static IP.  
 I would say the use case is to not become a Snowden. "The public" doesn't really mean anything (reference some of Ayn Rand's work) because it abstracts away the individual. Individuals other than Snowden have just as much reason to use Tor as Snowden by virtue of the fact that Snowden has to. That's the whole point. If we had nothing to fear then sure, no one would need to. Snowden proved that everyone has something to fear. Hence Tor. 
 That said, the individual must decide which tradeoffs to accept and when. For example, sometimes I just use Mullvad because it's faster and I'm okay with the tradeoff. 
 Me as of a couple of days ago to remotely access my nodes. 
 Nice try, FED!

I do, but not for everything due to how slow it can be. I use the browser mostly for research. I use it with my Bitcoin wallet. Looking into how I can contribute outside of donations (running hardware). 
 I spent the morning looking at the state of tor embedded for mobile apps and asking folks who work on the Tor and Guardian projects which libraries are working well. So the quip was because I’ve been trying to figure it out. 
 Absolutelly, Amethyst has the option to route all your #nostr traffic via #TOR
But you will need a TOR client, I recomend you https://invizible.net 
 hand and glove working together❤️ 
 there are several hundred tor relays now but few r active and many using self-hosted or gossip or amethyst to directly connect 
 👀 
 That nostr web services that was announced looked like a good start I've always thought tor needs some sort of incentive mechanism to be more successful  
 Nostr Tor Bitcoin is a powerful mix 
 I was wondering about this last night. 
 Enjoy the process of the development of decentralized communication. This is the way! 
 Hummm... What is the nym project?  
 and IPFS.  Not Filecoin, necessarily, but the storage network. 
 A home appliance that's a bitaxe and a nostr relay? 
 Just use Orbot on Android  
 That sort of works. One it requires users do a bunch of setup both initially but also every time they want to switch in to tor mode. The bigger issue is nostr over tor is much better if you’re connecting to onion service relays and don’t leave the Tor network. 

We need it to be very easy like tap a button in the client to turn on and off tor mode and when you are in tor mode it finds and uses the onion network version so the traffic stays private.  
 Nostor

It names itself 👀