@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Why shouldn't I boost your posts?
I think they are very interesting.
And also potentially instructive when it comes to the question of supporting #Starmer.
@0f342e77@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
You don't appear to have moved on at all and nor does the #Starmer's movement.
The more I think about it, it comes across as #haunted.
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Critiquing the politics of a politician isn't being on their backs.
Surely #Starmer's position should be able to cope with that without having to jump off the deep end.
@0f342e77@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
You do post that 'don't get distracted' image an awful lot for someone who doesn't care how people vote.
It's puzzling why people you're so content to subject to slurs and disdain, should provoke so much vulnerability just for rejecting #Starmer.
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
A strange word to use, that.
But on checking, what you appear to be saying is that critique of #Starmer is something 'causing an unpleasant feeling of fear or unease'.
Again, a very fragile form of triumph: your man's likely to win. One could indeed say he has already won, in terms of preventing any threat to the interests of #Capital for another few year.
But for some reason, this isn't enough?
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Surely this whole debate is about you courting leftists to support #Starmer or at least stop criticising him?
It doesn't make sense when someone declares the death of the left and then puts so much energy into criticising leftism.
It seems somehow #necrophilic.
Unless maybe the body still has a worrying pulse?
@0f342e77@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Maybe I'm lacking the intelligence to follow your thinking but this seems muddled to me.
I'm also mindful that your tendency to throw derogatory terms around regarding #Labour 's traditional base might link to a factor feeding into this muddle.
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
The alternative would be not doing more "#austerity, privatisation of the #NHS or a way to reduce poverty, fallng real wages, and ..privatised rip-off utilities".
Not sure if you're ignoring when that was written or if you actually cannot compute it.
That last paragraph is weird, you're asking someone else to justify an argument they haven't made.
And you keep using the phrase "far left". But aren't you actually just talking about the left?
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Your aim here seems to be persuading leftists, whose perspectives you seem to have disdain for, that #Starmer will somehow deliver what they want.
This seems a bit like just mimicking Starmer.
Or perhaps if your aim is not that, judging by that silly meme picture, it is instead to persuade leftists that Starmer ('cos he's definitely not a C/conservative..) and his retrograde, oppressive politics should be all they want.
@0f342e77@d4b01ab1@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Corbyn tried to win by being open about his political intentions?
And that's why he lost?
Voters didn't like his political intentions (aka redistribution)?
This all makes it sound like #Starmer doesn't have political intentions and political ideology and that both are readily available in his statements and actions since becoming leader.
It seems to assume people are too naive or stupid to notice and should support him regardless.
@d4b01ab1@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
I think that provided a government does not challenge the interests of Capital, the system is sufficiently broken that they do not need to be accountable for what they previously pledged.
I think #Starmer is safe in the knowledge and practice of that.
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
Is the idea here:
that the "alternative to #austerity, privatisation of the #NHS or a way to reduce poverty, fallng real wages, and an end to privatised rip-off utilities" that Corbyn's manifesto offered, was the cause of Labour losing the last election?
That the UK electorate rejected those alternatives and wanted more of the same?
That #Starmer would lose if he offered that kind of manifesto?
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
The alternative would be not doing more "#austerity, privatisation of the #NHS or a way to reduce poverty, fallng real wages, and ..privatised rip-off utilities".
Not sure if you're ignoring when that was written or if you actually cannot compute it.
That last paragraph is weird, you're asking someone else to justify an argument they haven't made.
And you keep using the phrase "far left". But aren't you actually just talking about the left?
@ee4cb8b5@0f342e77@02439a38@b870d4c8
I think we're potentially more likely to get systemic change if the Tories win than if Labour win since the latter provides the archaic unrepresentative system legitimacy.
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
What are you hoping #starmer does once he's in power?
Just stay there for the sake of 'keeping the #Tories out', or is there some vision of policies, goals, outcomes that you have?
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5@02439a38@b870d4c8
I struggle to believe that you really think #Starmer will re-embrace redistributive policies if he gets into power.
I think he will probably win by explicitly or tacitly embracing Tory policies, and he will seek to stay in government by sticking to that approach.
In this scenario, your profoundly limited and unimaginative sense of 'any means necessary' will not result in getting the #Tories out in any meaningful sense, only a superficial one.
@0f342e77@ee4cb8b5
All interesting, if well-rehearsed, narrative.
But what jumps out is the binary thinking in terms of 'criticism of #Starmer can only stem from irrational hatred of him and is evidence of an irrational love of #Corbyn'.
It doesn't point to strong arguments or even an ability to engage in (constructive) argument.
#Centrism
@0f342e77@02439a38@b870d4c8@ee4cb8b5
Blaming 'Brexit, austerity, the pandemic & Putin's Ukraine war', purely on the #Tories seems quite partial given that #Starmer has taken a position or had a role in all of them which reveals his commitments and points to potential premiership. He also has a public voting record.
With the purges and the public statements, I think we can see his Labour already - long before #GE2024 is called.
@0f342e77
Calling Boris Johnson 'Doris', a women's name, as an insult, constitutes #misogyny
This isn't to say you're a misogynist, but that the ethical basis for your support of #Starmer and I suspect, by extension, the ethical case for voting for Starmer, as a viable alternative to Tory fascists, is shaky at best.
#Centrism
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