Oddbean

It's so fascinating how people cannot break the dissonance and understand this insanely simple observation alone disproves the claimed rate of curvature and therefore the claimed radius. At no point is a large body of water ever curving. Its literally never been observed, no photos, no videos, just a fairy tale planted in our heads from a young age. We have thousands of long distance observations which anyone can repeat for themselves. And the typical defensive mechanism I encounter is, "well then explain seasons, satellites, the stars, etc. what, you think everyone is in on some big lie?" When you dive into the physics of it all it just keeps getting worse for heliocentrism. That's why it's so difficult to find a credentialed proponent to discuss this on a large platform. They will make videos or comments of their own mocking it, but they are terrified of a discussion. It's a recurring theme in Scientism. Remember when Peter Hotez, the vaccine expert, wouldn't debate RFK on Rogan for $2.5 million crowd funded by people? Notice how climate alarmists also won't debate. "The science is settled!!!" All totally indefensible positions, and they know it too. But they want to keep their jobs and so they keep lying to people, and the rest simply don't know any better. We truly live in the dumbest times in history, and ironically the inversion is people think we are in our peak.

The cognitive dissonance is real. When people have been brainwashed from a very young age to trust authority and never question the science. We've got everything figured out already, you are just an insignificant speck of dust in vast space.. just accept your mind prison.

What do you mean? If you draw a straight line from the 5 foot height to the water line you can see the height of objects that are hidden. Do you go out on a boat much? That's exactly what you observe. Short fishing boats will pop up as you approach, sandy beaches on islands coming into view where from further away you couldn't see the sand despite being able to make out smaller objects that were higher on the island.

If you look there are so many observations that invalidate the claim. Here's one on land at varying distances up to 35 miles: https://youtu.be/FUuOmNIZQP4 Here's on over water at varying distances: https://youtu.be/_JDxeiHLvwI There's FE core laser tests which we some of the more comprehensive. There's long distance photos over 270 miles with the same result.

🤣🤣🤣 you nearly made me thinking these people are serious. The image shows more of the far away platforms hidden than the closer ones. Overlay the actual drawing of a platform showing the stilts and you can see the curvature of the earth. https://image.nostr.build/3a23813bd60f8c97ad7e7a12150924819a26d922bf36c07257d5de18c2e93443.jpg

Or a temperature inversion from the water absorbing sunlight and heating the air above it. I live in the tropics and often boat on very calm mornings where the water and land temperatures are the same. I played around with that horizon calculator and the observations that I see, when I can expect to see the beach on islands as I approach, when I can see small fishing boats. The calculator matches what I see

I just showed you footage that debunks that. The horizon is apparent, and distance to the apparent horizon changes depending on temperature, humidity, etc. All you ever see out on the water is a flat surface because that's what it is. Everything else is perspective and atmospheric refraction effects. It doesn't matter how small the body of water is, it will always lie flat. This doesn't change just because you can't see the other side of the container the water is in. Even in your model, the claim is you wouldn't see a curvature until you're hundreds of miles up. There's a skipper with >100,000 nautical miles who has sailed in "global" races that goes in depth regarding speeds over water as well as timezones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhheDWThxE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECDKI0skBVU This are all rudimentary arguments though. The real meat to the position comes from a deeper examination of physics, Kepler's lies, kinematic and dynamic equivalences in validity between the models, measurements of the cosmic microwave background which repeatedly prove that Earth does have a special position, the fact that GPS uses a geocentric WGS 84 coordinate system as well as coordinate transforms which are kept secret (all relating to how you establish your position over water, since there is no reference point). That leads to how flight distances can be fucked with, because of ground-speed vs airspeed and the reliance on GPS. Deny all you want, but the measurements are repeatable and conclusive, and they do not corroborate the claimed curvature: https://youtu.be/b8ML87EHat4 https://youtu.be/ZsnmX0XRNTk