Oddbean new post about login | logout What do you mean? If you draw a straight line from the 5 foot height to the water line you can see the height of objects that are hidden. Do you go out on a boat much? That's exactly what you observe. Short fishing boats will pop up as you approach, sandy beaches on islands coming into view where from further away you couldn't see the sand despite being able to make out smaller objects that were higher on the island.
If you look there are so many observations that invalidate the claim. Here's one on land at varying distances up to 35 miles: https://youtu.be/FUuOmNIZQP4 Here's on over water at varying distances: https://youtu.be/_JDxeiHLvwI There's FE core laser tests which we some of the more comprehensive. There's long distance photos over 270 miles with the same result.
🤣🤣🤣 you nearly made me thinking these people are serious. The image shows more of the far away platforms hidden than the closer ones. Overlay the actual drawing of a platform showing the stilts and you can see the curvature of the earth. https://image.nostr.build/3a23813bd60f8c97ad7e7a12150924819a26d922bf36c07257d5de18c2e93443.jpg
Tell me you don't understand horizon without saying it. You do see that the horizon is beyond the platforms, right?
There is a lot of heat haze.
You see the best steelman argument is refraction using snells laws, which is light bending towards the denser medium. That's why I included a land based observation. Take as long as you need.
Or a temperature inversion from the water absorbing sunlight and heating the air above it. I live in the tropics and often boat on very calm mornings where the water and land temperatures are the same. I played around with that horizon calculator and the observations that I see, when I can expect to see the beach on islands as I approach, when I can see small fishing boats. The calculator matches what I see
I just showed you footage that debunks that. The horizon is apparent, and distance to the apparent horizon changes depending on temperature, humidity, etc. All you ever see out on the water is a flat surface because that's what it is. Everything else is perspective and atmospheric refraction effects. It doesn't matter how small the body of water is, it will always lie flat. This doesn't change just because you can't see the other side of the container the water is in. Even in your model, the claim is you wouldn't see a curvature until you're hundreds of miles up. There's a skipper with >100,000 nautical miles who has sailed in "global" races that goes in depth regarding speeds over water as well as timezones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhheDWThxE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECDKI0skBVU This are all rudimentary arguments though. The real meat to the position comes from a deeper examination of physics, Kepler's lies, kinematic and dynamic equivalences in validity between the models, measurements of the cosmic microwave background which repeatedly prove that Earth does have a special position, the fact that GPS uses a geocentric WGS 84 coordinate system as well as coordinate transforms which are kept secret (all relating to how you establish your position over water, since there is no reference point). That leads to how flight distances can be fucked with, because of ground-speed vs airspeed and the reliance on GPS. Deny all you want, but the measurements are repeatable and conclusive, and they do not corroborate the claimed curvature: https://youtu.be/b8ML87EHat4 https://youtu.be/ZsnmX0XRNTk
Also, you conveniently skipped over the first video.
Its on land.
The land would still be curving on a ball. Water never curves man. Go look for pictures or videos.
