Oddbean new post about login | logout Argentina is moving up my bucket list of places to visit. Quotes from Milei’s speech at UN today. “The UN has become a multi-tentacled Leviathan that seeks to decide how each nation should live." "We reject the 'Pact for the Future'—it is nothing but a socialist blueprint for control." "Freedom is the only path forward for nations; we must resist any system that curtails it." "Socialism designs a world it can't achieve, and when it fails, it represses the people." "Argentina will lead an agenda of freedom, not submission to globalism." "We must empower individuals, not centralize power in bureaucratic institutions." "Freedom, free markets, and individual rights are the pillars of a prosperous society." "We reject the collectivist agendas that destroy wealth and enslave nations." "Austerity and economic discipline are the only roads to true independence." "Long live freedom!"
1:47 @jack mallers pod with rick rubin mentions milei/argentina took the deal to not use btc in exchange for a yet another bailout loan https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tetragrammaton-with-rick-rubin/id1671669052?i=1000669904675 cc @franzap
Thanks - Interesting and didn’t realize that - sure seems at odds with his message and one of those things will be forced to break.
The previous government signed that deal.
Important point this
he signed another. a new one
Nope, they revised the same deal, which is still valid and they have to honor.
this is a problem if you can't keep your word you are not trustworthy
Why is he pursuing IMF funding then? Is it not the globalism he speaks out against?
typical fascistic muddying of the waters in order to consolidate power and loyalty to the nation (and its autocrat); the enemy is corrupt and weak while posing an existential threat to the nation. He'll take IMF money while denouncing their influence on the country, but if the overall economic conditions improve, people will forgive him. Until the next crisis.
Have you watch at all the games America played recently in Pakistan by holding an IMF "loan" hostage??? The squeeze was so tight that Prime Minister Sharif began engaging with China for funding. The quid-pro-quo there, however, was that China wanted access to the Gwadar port including - possibly - the right to host certain military assets. America/IMF blinked and the IMF "loan" was made.
Big words.
He is saying the right things. Let's see if his actions follow.
Lad alert By no means an expert, but I’ve read about the de-regulation success of 1 - BA rental controls 2 - Airline industry He’s actually acted in these cases to reduce red tape, and the benefits are there for all to see Fascinating to see play out. When will Argentina announce a Bitcoin position?
I am also looking forward to seeing a reborn Argentina.
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It's because of Trump & military that these countries are finally being liberated from the deep state. Freedom is coming to the US as well but prepare yourselfs because the USD needs to be dismantled which is going to send a ripple hardship throughout the world due to the fact that the USD is the world's reserve currency. Once that happens that USA will lead the world. USA has a huge advantage where they already have the most intelligent humans on earth compared to other countries. Argentina & El Salvador aren't large enough to influence the world. The USA is a powerhouse of a country. Once Trump comes back we will see a massive economic boom and other countries will follow. USA # 1 https://mar101xy.com/uploader/images/2024/07/20/Trump-Leader-Hero.jpg
Ok by what measure does the United States have "the most intelligent people on earth"? I have read some delusional stuff but that somehow Milei is anything other than a globalist corporate tool is laughable. He talks good sometimes but his actions belie him. The idea that Trump is going to "save" anything is equally laughable. This is the talk of children. Daddy Milei and Daddy Trump will save us! Neither of you understand what is really at play here. It isn't some 4d chess with the deep state. It is simply the deep state changing tactics. The reasons they don't like Trump are far more presidential than all that. He's just a bad face and voice for empire but empire must continue. This hero worshipping mentality is not befitting of free people. Kill your heros
The reason they don't like Trump is because Trump got a hold of all the blackmail of all the global leaders, CEOs, Hollywood and many other. They have been murdering, raping, scarifying, eating, human trafficking and many other Satanic and evil practices. It's all on tape. Trump alone is not going to save America. Trump alone has no power. Trump is just a man. It's the US military empire who has designed and planned this operation for many decades. An operation to take down the globalist bankers by exposing them and opening up the eyes of the America people and the world. The evidence is out there. You should do the research but like every normie out there. It just upsets you and think we are worshiping Trump without doing your own research. I have no idea about Milei but he got rid of the central bank and is implementing libertarian politics which is what every country is about to do thanks to Trunp & military. Trump 2024!
Wow... I mean... Are you for real?
I forget to point out that the USA provides a bit more freedom for businesses and people compared to all the other countries in the world so that extra freedom goes a long way and attracts people from all over the world to do business in the USA and immigrate there. When Trump comes back they are going to get rid of almost all taxation which is going to attract even more entrepreneurs and businesses as the USA will be a libertarian free market capitalist society. There will be big money to be made and it will attract even more intelligent people to the USA. Small countries are going to have a hard time attracting immigrants to their country and their infustracure is lacking and freedom is lacking too. Trump 2024!
I can't even begin to unpack all the delusion here. Good luck to you.
Good wine and good beef? Definitely somewhere I need to visit. And compared to the “Austrians” people joke about living down there, happy this one is calling the shots. Wish there was a British milei with a chainsaw!!!!
Look at what he does not what he says (IMF, Support for Zionists/Apartheid/Genocidal regime, VASP rules etc). Argentina is beautiful and deserves the best, but not because of this clown.
My thinking also. Any support for zionists cannot be compatible with any regard for a better future. I hope @Jeff Booth comments on this.
I’d love to hear Jeff’s take on this too @Jeff Booth Also @Whitney Webb what are your thoughts? Is Milei who he claims to be?
“ austerity, and economic discipline”??? It’s not possible that Jeff booth is falling for the banana on the tailpipe. The Argentinian creep was just like the Italian bitch like all other socialist puppets they promise freedom” and then deliver the UN agenda austerity and privatization through NGO’s so nine truths one lie Jesuit trick I also heard Jeff comment that the election that’s coming up in Canada is gonna make some kind of change in this world???? That’s really deceptive again this is a very clever man who Jake Dorsey…. Of well. Here we go again. Long live bitcoin strong open and free. $$$
I'm going in early November!
Milei's Davos speech was incredible. An instant classic. Haven't heard this one yet. Just looked up link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw2UMwLbMCE
"Long live freedom, God damn it!" Classic.
If he actually shuts down the central bank and removes the associated moral hazard, allows interest rates and choice of currency to be determined by the free market, then his economic agenda is one that is truly liberal and anti-socialist and anti-collectivist. nostr:nevent1qqsz8r4cavaqt44syx7drdm9fntncemt52nwq4lzh3s4028acxzk7hcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygyraqvdl0kvafttpa232a4nl5u60fgwrkq4jdp4qqmglgy9envkfvpsgqqqqqqsjzhu4p
I'm afraid and concerned, sooner or later he's going to have a fatal "accident"... This is valid for Bukele also. Hope I'm wrong and, in fact, I'd love nothing more than my country's elected leaders follow the example of these people and stop being the EU's bitches and the most "well behaved"! Portugal is the first country in the EU to adopt a digital ID. Starting small with Health Service access online, but the first step is taken and slowly it will be generally implemented. Freedom is an illusion! F
are not the pillars of a prosperous society things like rule of just law, lack of hunger, education, safety/peacefulness...? stuff like this. some socialism is really super good, beneficial, and uplifting for societies. i have no doubt here. nuts that many people don’t see this. it’s deranged to keep pounding the table with the word “freedom” and trying to make people believe that any & all collective projects are bad.
Socialism creates a world of despair. The pillars of civilization have never been created by a bureaucratic state. The United states today is just the last example of failed socialism. After starting centralizing education, medicare,.medicaid, social security and all that socialist shit, the quality of life went to the bottom. It's not that socialism fails. It works perfectly for what is designed to do: create a land of irresponsible and weak people in need for help from birth to death enslaved under the oligarchy of politicians and bureaucrats who keep all the rights and resources for them. The beginning stage where they give free services to the population creating debts that cannot be repaid is not socialism, it's the weakening of people and the economic system on purpose. .
~some~ socialism is necessary and good for a prosperous nation and thriving society filled with productive individuals.
No
No it's not. The only real cure for a thriving society is families and friends. No government should be involved into redistributing wealth or help. I always refused government help and I will never claim my retirement because it's all bullshit to make people dependent.
If in a society filled with productive individuals you introduce 'some socialism' it flips the incentives and the productivity begins its race to the bottom. Farmat's principle, the path of least time or least resistance, somehow applies to the individuals.
For a nation of productive individuals, capitalism is fine.
Nah, I think you have it mistaken for capitalism.
What socialist measures specifically? And who decides that? Socialist measures place decision-making in the hands of a central authority, and the problem with this is that not everyone will agree. While some people benefit, others are harmed. True equality comes from allowing everyone the equal opportunity to help themselves, free from the interference of a central authority. A system based on voluntary decision-making ensures fairness. Equality of opportunity, rather than enforced equality of outcomes, respects personal agency and prevents inequality.
People that cry freedom loudest are always criminals. Honest people are already free and will remain so.
Just out of curiosity: in your mind, was this also the case during the covid lockdowns?
People who cry for anything but freedom are nothing but mass murderers, or fools that support mass murderers.
Any and all collectivist projects that don't require violent repression or coercion of others are ok. You're free to start any such project, as long as one of the project requirements isn't violent expropriation of resources from others... I hope you don't feel that this is a deranged starting point?
Socialism is the cancer of society. It fails to bring what it promises every time and typically results in Democide given a long enough time period. Many books have been written on this subject. If you're ready to understand, no one handled the subject better than Ludwig von Mises "Socialism."
Thank you for making us aware of this speech. Just watched it and find it truly wonderful he stood there and basically relayed the BTC message around freedom in every aspect for everyone. I just hope nothing happens to him, as has in the past with leaders trying to cut ties from this tyranny.
Téann focal le gaoth ach téann buille le cnámh ...
They sent their Gold to the Bank of England. Be careful you're not going from the frying pan to the fire.
I am a child of the old socialist German Democratic Republic (GDR, 1949-1990) and can sign any of his sentences. nostr:note1yw8t36e6qhttqgdu6xmk2nxh83nkhg4xupt790rp2750msv9da0sgfwp6z
The world is waking up 🫡
I regret to disappoint you, but under Milei's government, the commercialization of Bitcoin by banks, which offered it as part of their services, was banned in Argentina. Without Bitcoin there is no freedom. He's a good speaker, though, that's for sure.
He's a fan of free market currencies and a friend of Bukele's. I have to assume he's working to overturn that ban, it's just down the list a bit.
That’s wonderful, but why the fuck is he funding more military action and why does he support the murder of children in Gaza? Are these just inconvenient side effects and hoops he has to jump through, which is worrying, or is he really a Cunt, which is worrying?
He's a jew. Sadly he's not perfect, but at least he's doing more to decimate govt than anyone else in power ever has.
There are many Jews, especially intelligent ones, who see the genocide and theft in Gaza for what it is. Therefore, I fear that his efforts to “decimate government“ could ultimately prove to be a ruse.
If this was a ruse then it's a really bad one because he's already done 10x more to reduce govt than any other country you've ever heard of!
He does not matter. Argentina has decided to move away from one path and go for another which includes being part of the american empire. If you are part of the american empire, you are aligned in their "foreign policy" and you support your allies. So Israel in this specific scenario. You don't, then you will suddenly not be in charge very soon. Every other consideration is irrelevant. Obviously Milei per se, or what he really thinks, what he says etc... is also completely irrelevant.
It's called being a subhuman psychopath
that's all talk let him buy Bitcoin first
If you weren't talking about the guy that just sacked 1/3rd of his entire govt (and counting) I'd agree.
Yes, his speeches are great. I agree with you. Being from Argentina, I would suggest you wait a while before visiting us. Although I agree with him in his speeches, his policies do not align with what he says. Property rights are only partially respected in Argentina due to wealth taxes i.e., and this wasn't fixed for now. Also, FX intervention continues (so no free market) .... My point is: let's see what happens before coming!!! It would be great to have you here anyway.
Going to buenos aires in December 👍
Let us know how it is for you. I'd like to go there myself in 2026.
I spent a few weeks in Buenos Aires in early 2019 and was very very nice. I believe that if one lives in SOHO it's probably fine. I remember back then people telling me not to go too much around, especially after sunset.
Yeah certainly some dogy neighborhoods. Some safe also based on some Twitter guys I follow and YouTube etc.
Love this. 🧡 #Argentina 🇦🇷 nostr:note1yw8t36e6qhttqgdu6xmk2nxh83nkhg4xupt790rp2750msv9da0sgfwp6z
I went to Buenos Aires two months ago, and I loved how things were. Talking to people, it's not that everyone loves Milei, but they really value what he's doing. I heard this several times: "Those who want to work will do well, but those used to being supported by the state are the ones who don't like him." The country feels much more orderly and safe compared to a few years ago. Make sure to enjoy the great food on your trip! 😅🥩
Its a long flight. Make sure to tag a shorter one on top and visit the south. BA is a nice city but the glaciers and the fjords are truly magnificent. If you're into fly fishing, DM me and I'll put you in touch with a great guy who has a rental close to a great river, make his own flies and does a mean traditional patagonian lamb!
Perhaps this is a better take and more in line with our beliefs. https://image.nostr.build/04365cfd8af24cf65430f9ce751717b1e0a92c1ac0d56b97f669cd8adcff9e40.jpg
bUt hEs a cOmmUNist CoMMie saYZ aNd dOEs nOThinG riGHT
On a serious note, spending cuts and anti-dollar rhetoric is more bitcoiny than Milei will ever be. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-lula-says-government-is-committed-fiscal-responsibility-2024-07-03/
Milei has always felt like a plant.
“Freedom, free markets, and individual rights are the pillars of a prosperous society..." Someone get him on Nostr!!! ✊
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Caracho https://m.primal.net/LBsE.png
controlled opposition fake https://files.v0l.io/a0c6f80f0cddd8cdf46dd4a07ca132c6cd81b9fe41ac40a292f4ea66684b018f.webp https://image.nostr.build/1df282892aa51a0f27d109b5a9f64b5f6e284d4b8a7d7131a5a243a2369e997f.jpg https://nostrcheck.me/media/be49045474d8234adbd38dff67bbb9ae2a6d0696bf809e44e9cd12aac0ea6318/78199ed95172f86ebe1f4714cf3d742cc41945c457a4fa3df1284fdcaa88ecae.webp https://files.v0l.io/cdffbab82b494a2bcb30a0e3428688673cb38b429fa433b01f87febb167d4d81.webp
Libertad, carajo! nostr:note1yw8t36e6qhttqgdu6xmk2nxh83nkhg4xupt790rp2750msv9da0sgfwp6z
I still need to make my way to El Salvador 🇸🇻
There’s your Argentinian freedom fighter. 💪 https://nostrcheck.me/media/59e2f6ee87b76be08d99d3a0279e303cd6fec3f00a6d0a52fff126ccf402ea5c/7f0395e75f5f9a74228d86c8584fd4b92687804cd8afdb38a210881b9739d748.webp
"birds of a feather, flock together" both of these people are criminals and wolves in sheeps clothing.
He's no Bukele. He is partnering with globalists. Don't be fooled by this grifter. All talk and no major change. Even looks like a psychotic clown. https://fairytales.love/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/the-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing.jpg
Adding you to my list of genocide defenders for trying to hype up this genocide advocate
he stands for national autonomy but Argentina can’t be autonomous depending on his parents. (US - UK and IMF)
Bitcoin.
He’s a bit of a hypocrit as he’s using digital survelliance against opponents
Would love to host you or advise your visit when you make it down here to the Patagonia @Jeff Booth I’m relocating back home w/ the fam just in time for the southern summer. Viva la libertad!
As someone as smart as you understands very, very well, the effective symbolism The Nazi swastika (the ancient Sun wheel symbol) allied to the rising sun of militarist Japan and to Mussolini’s would-be neo-Roman blackshirts all point to an inverse eclipsed sun of destruction. What was the rationale behind the eclipse of the sun in your corporate logo?
You will love it, Jeff! The humor of the Argentinians is incredible and their talent to manage chaos! nostr:nevent1qqsz8r4cavaqt44syx7drdm9fntncemt52nwq4lzh3s4028acxzk7hcpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7q3qs05p3ha7en49dv8429tkk07nnfa9pcwczkf5x5qrdraqshxdje9sxpqqqqqqzdvk58u
Love the libertarian lip service. Time will tell when the action meets the words. (Good words though!)
Avez-vous vu dernièrement les informations sur les argentins ? Moi j'en ai lu sur la situation économique les argentins sont actuellement comme en 99 vivent dans une situation économique insupportable concernant la pauvreté pour un peuple qui a appris à se être résilient pas trop quand ils sont capables de casser toutes les structures pour se doter de quoi survivre... rappelons bien leur histoire...depuis si ça ne fonctionne guère ils iront vandaliser tous les magasins suite à avoir une armée sur le dos..prions que la diaspora Argentine les soutienne c'est toi ...Tous ceux qui sont dans le Bitcoin devraient peut-être peut-être prévoir un fonds de secours en termes de solidarité sur ces moments de transition très difficiles que vivent tous les pays qui ont abandonné les fonds du Fonds Monétaire International plus particulièrement et n'oubliez l'Afrique ils sont nombreux à sortir du système monétaire de certains pays qui les avaient colonisés à une certaine époque.. Grosse réflexion à mener solidairement mais pareil que lorsque les camionneurs canadiens durant la covid...c'est un accompagnement sur le long terme.. merci Jeff
Jeff, what is going on in argentina right now is amazing. Hopefully Miele is successful in not only fixing Argentina but hopefully that will serve as a model that all other countries can look at to improve. You should definitely visit. I recommend going soon. So you can see the before and after. Right now the country is still struggling but with my family down there I have never seen more optimism than now!
