Oddbean

are not the pillars of a prosperous society things like rule of just law, lack of hunger, education, safety/peacefulness...? stuff like this. some socialism is really super good, beneficial, and uplifting for societies. i have no doubt here. nuts that many people don’t see this. it’s deranged to keep pounding the table with the word “freedom” and trying to make people believe that any & all collective projects are bad.

Socialism creates a world of despair. The pillars of civilization have never been created by a bureaucratic state. The United states today is just the last example of failed socialism. After starting centralizing education, medicare,.medicaid, social security and all that socialist shit, the quality of life went to the bottom. It's not that socialism fails. It works perfectly for what is designed to do: create a land of irresponsible and weak people in need for help from birth to death enslaved under the oligarchy of politicians and bureaucrats who keep all the rights and resources for them. The beginning stage where they give free services to the population creating debts that cannot be repaid is not socialism, it's the weakening of people and the economic system on purpose. .

socialism, monarchy, liberal democracy, dictatorship, national socialism, fascism, all of them are the same in the abstract of being an excuse for evil people to parasite off the rest of us. The bible tells you everything you need to know about all government: 1 Samuel 8:10-19 King James Version 10 And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that asked of him a king. 11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots. 13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. 14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. 15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. 16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants. 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day. 19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;

No it's not. The only real cure for a thriving society is families and friends. No government should be involved into redistributing wealth or help. I always refused government help and I will never claim my retirement because it's all bullshit to make people dependent.

If in a society filled with productive individuals you introduce 'some socialism' it flips the incentives and the productivity begins its race to the bottom. Farmat's principle, the path of least time or least resistance, somehow applies to the individuals.

What socialist measures specifically? And who decides that? Socialist measures place decision-making in the hands of a central authority, and the problem with this is that not everyone will agree. While some people benefit, others are harmed. True equality comes from allowing everyone the equal opportunity to help themselves, free from the interference of a central authority. A system based on voluntary decision-making ensures fairness. Equality of opportunity, rather than enforced equality of outcomes, respects personal agency and prevents inequality.

Any and all collectivist projects that don't require violent repression or coercion of others are ok. You're free to start any such project, as long as one of the project requirements isn't violent expropriation of resources from others... I hope you don't feel that this is a deranged starting point?

Socialism is the cancer of society. It fails to bring what it promises every time and typically results in Democide given a long enough time period. Many books have been written on this subject. If you're ready to understand, no one handled the subject better than Ludwig von Mises "Socialism."