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 So how many dead civilians is too much “short term pain”? Or is there no “too much?”? Do you support the killing of all of them if required? 
 This number is given out from Hamas, it is not real.  
 That wasn’t my question. My question was, “there are 2.2million people there living, half of them are children. How many of them need to die to achieve ‘the goal’ of killing ‘Hamas’? Or can all of them die to achieve that goal? 
 Most of them would live, most of them have already evacuated. 
 No, they have not. Rafah and Eretz crossings are closed and they have nowhere to flee.

Warsaw Ghetto 2.0. 
 Numbers that came from Gaza's Ministry of Health and international NGOs, you mean?

Sure, everything is Hamas now, except you and me :-p

And can I really be sure about you? 
 That question should be asked, "can I be sure about GAZA'S MOH, UN's organisation? Hamas is their employees. 
 Hamas is made up of United Nations employees?

That's a new one! Its almost like genocide is morally indefensible, so its proponents resort to pure fantasy.

Killing 8000 children is bad and wrong. Killing 6000 noncombatant women is bad and wrong. Killing thousands of civilian men is bad and wrong.

Violently dispossessing a population who speak a Semitic language is antisemitism. Concentrating a Semitic population is ghettos they cannot leave is antisemitism. Genociding a Semitic population is antisemitism.

Of all the successor states of Nazi Germany, only Israel has adhered so closely to Nazi race ideology - and now, Nazi methods.

 
 Don’t waste your time. Some people are just wicked. 
 I think you are quite correct on that, unfortunately.


"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

Upton Sinclair, novelist, in "I, Candidate for Governor", 1935


But there is always an audience... 
 Keep cooking 🔥 
 Is this a translation problem or an insanity problem? 
 There is no better way to end this endless terrorism war. If you have,you can give. 
 The only way to end terrorism is to kill innocent civilians?

Let me agree, for the sake of argument, that this is about “terrorism”, since western governments have been killing innocent civilians to fight “terrorism”, when did it work? 
 We only talk about Hamas... The goal is to eliminate Hamas, not civilian. Today innocent civilians would be killed, is because Hamas is hiding behind them, getting them as shield. 
 Ok, I’ll get to that point shortly; but my question still remains unanswered. Assuming what you’re saying is true, that every single Hamas soldier is hiding directly behind 10 civilians, how many civilians do you think is ok to kill to get to Hamas before you say “ok, this is too much now”? Or is there no limit?  Don’t be shy, you can say “kill them all” if you want and if that’s what you believe. I don’t know who you are so there’s no reason to fear any backlash. I just want to know if you feel there are any limits, any red lines one cannot cross, or if you feel killing them all to kill Hamas is justified.

Thanks 👍 
 Israel is doing very well. They first evacuated most of civilians, and then try their best to avoid killing innocence during the battle. 
 I’m going to ask one final time, because I’ve asked like 4 times already and each time you give me irrelevant Israeli talking points straight from the IDF press room. I am asking you about your views. I am asking you, at what point is it too much? Or is there no limit? You can give a rough number or even like a percentage of the population…10%? 50% 100% can die for the sake of killing Hamas? You cannot tell me that Israel is doing “very well” if you cannot define what a failure or tragedy looks like. 

If you don’t want to answer because you realise how evil it sounds to treat human likes like NPC’s in a game, that’s fine, just say so, but giving me political diversionary answers are pointless for an educated civilised discussion.

So…How much is too much? 
 The less the better, if you need a number, I guess it should be less than 0.1% finally. 
 So 0.1% of 2.2million people is 22,000 people (which Israel themselves said more than that was killed before the ceasefire). We were at 18,000 by Palestinian numbers before the ceasefire and since the ceasefire ended there has already been over a 1000 who have died.

So the final question I have for you is, considering you don’t accept number of deaths from anyone but the ones carrying out the murder in the first place, when exactly will you say that they’ve gone too far? What would it take for you to admit that too many people have been killed so far? This is important, as you’ve agreed there is a limit, but how does one measure that limit in your world? Because surely it’s in the best interest of a murderous apartheid state to deny their crimes… 
 Because Israel is still in a war,you can't say it is an apartheid country. If you are Palestinian, you should establish your own country by negotiation with Israel. If Israel doesn't agree you establish your country, then all of the world will stand with you together. 
 "All the world will stand with you together"?

LOL nope, your "plan" is what the Palestinians did after 1948, what the Irish did after the Cromwellian wars, what the Bantu did under apartheid, what Indians did under the Raj, what China did under the Unequal Treaties.

In each case, nothing changed until the oppressed were willing to organise and use force to gain leverage in negotiations.

Israel is the world's largest foreign aid recipient. End the aid, end the genocide. 
 Yes, that time Palestinian establishment of country was failed, Palestinian should try it again, all of the world will support them. 
 Palestine HAS diplomatic recognition from more countries than Israel does. They have been "trying it again" every day.

What they don't have are nuclear weapons, and friends with disproportionate power over Western politicians and media.

They're not likely to get those, either, and neither are most of the world.

What happened to Palestine could happen next to any of ~180 countries if they have something the powerful want, but don't want to pay for. 
 lol